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Re: 1969 Rally Sport Door Blackout
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2022, 11:31:20 AM »
Could a fixture of sort been used to hold the grill & the doors in their natural position during painting? That could help explain the non-defined shadow. I would think that could be helpful to keeping the paint looking the same, especially on metallic paint cars....Joe
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Re: 1969 Rally Sport Door Blackout
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2022, 12:00:25 PM »
Did some homework last night on the hardware for the '69 RS covers.  The AIM covering the Z22 RS headlight door assembly, page 459 calls out screw 9425501 and stamped nut 9419751.  I found the screw in a 2014 AMK Products catalog I have on hand.  I'll double check the website to see if they still list the screw.

Screw 9425501 is an 8-32 x 1/2 with 0.32" OD Phillips head.  AMK's S2 finish = gray/black phosphate, item #B-12568.  This matches the screw finish KevinW posted in his picture.  Heartbeat City Camaro now sells a kit GNL-1179, that includes (4) correct black phosphate screws and (4) stamped thread cutting nuts finished in silver zinc.

KevinW...are your nuts original can you post a pic showing the finish?

BTW...

Noticed in KevinW's picture that the die cast frame plate Det. 11 is dip black painted. The reproduction die cast frames are bare aluminum finish.

I have seen in the comments section of the certification reports that Jerry MacNeish has done, the die cast hinge Det. 16 should be black. This makes since that both pieces would be black dip painted black.

Thanks, Dave

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Re: 1969 Rally Sport Door Blackout
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2022, 01:15:30 PM »
KevinW,

One other question: On the backside of your frame plates there is a captured nut for the screw you showed.  Are the captured nuts also painted black or does it appear they were attached to the frame after the frame was painted?

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Re: 1969 Rally Sport Door Blackout
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2022, 02:22:00 PM »
I'm glad I did not put the RS box away last night :)

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Re: 1969 Rally Sport Door Blackout
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2022, 02:34:59 PM »
good info guys!
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Re: 1969 Rally Sport Door Blackout
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2022, 02:40:21 PM »
Great, thanks KevinW!

Your picture is what I expected to see.  Looks like I have some disassembly, painting, and hardware changes to make this weekend!

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Re: 1969 Rally Sport Door Blackout
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2022, 03:09:03 PM »
Glad to be of help here. Looks like Lloyd has some detail work to do too :)

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Re: 1969 Rally Sport Door Blackout
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2022, 05:57:32 PM »
Excellent photos and forensics, thanks for all the contributions! My RS doors were restored and assembled consistent with what I'm seeing in the thread including mag phosphating the screws and speed nuts (less the blackout of course). It appears the factory paint (color) process for the door covers was to omit painting the corners producing a blackout effect. From the photos posted on this thread there doesn't appear to be any masking lines on the door corners as the body color paint transition to/from the corners is "soft" or even "ragged".  Nor does it appear there was blackout brush painting of the corners as the body color is the top layer of paint and the base, black dip paint is left exposed (Kevin's and Gary's photo posts show this with good detail). A few more questions to consider:

 - Was this RS door cover paint process performed throughout 1969 production?
 - Was it (standard) practice at both NOR and VN plants?
 - Was the blackout a byproduct of painting the door covers poorly or deliberately done for blackout effect?
 - Was it done for all paint colors or were some omitted? Did black (10) RS optioned cars receive sliver paint to blend with the silver grill color?

 

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Re: 1969 Rally Sport Door Blackout
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2022, 07:06:19 PM »
Lloyd,

Good questions.  Your restoration looks like it’s coming along nicely!  My ‘69 RS Z28 restoration was initially completed in 2000, but each year I continue to fine tune bits and pieces of the car as I learn more on CRG. I cannot seam to leave “well enough” alone!

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Re: 1969 Rally Sport Door Blackout
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2022, 07:11:30 PM »
Lloyd,

Good questions.  Your restoration looks like it’s coming along nicely!  My ‘69 RS Z28 restoration was initially completed in 2000, but each year I continue to fine tune bits and pieces of the car as I learn more on CRG. I cannot seam to leave “well enough” alone!

Thanks for the feedback and contributing to the thread Dave. The discovery process is endless.

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Re: 1969 Rally Sport Door Blackout
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2022, 10:50:45 PM »
Lloyd here are photos of the black car these were taken months before you bought it, it appears it was "masked" due to a painting fixture it looks like it shows the fuzzy line.. but still black. - this would lead more credence to a fixture which held the covers during the painting operation.


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Re: 1969 Rally Sport Door Blackout
« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2022, 12:13:05 AM »
I guess based on this - there was no silver paint applied to the tabs to blend in with the grill - as i previously that was reasonable - but not done.  Agree, it looks like it was masked off somehow. 

Good info
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Re: 1969 Rally Sport Door Blackout
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2022, 01:42:49 AM »
My 06A RSZ28 code 72 has no blackout on headlight doors.

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Re: 1969 Rally Sport Door Blackout
« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2022, 01:59:47 AM »
James, can you open the doors and place your phone down in the area to get pictures that way?

My assumption is any color car with an Argent silver grille still had blackout to have everything look black behind the grille.

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Re: 1969 Rally Sport Door Blackout
« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2022, 02:36:24 AM »
The photos I have are from 10+ years ago before Lloyd owned the car, which is now owned by the Ferrari dealer in Toronto.
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