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william

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Caveat Emptor...Numbers matching?
« on: October 29, 2021, 02:28:53 PM »
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-chevrolet-camaro-z-28-60/

124379N596082

From the ad:

"This 1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 is finished in Garnet Red with black stripes over black vinyl upholstery and is powered by a numbers-matching 302ci V8..."

The V0120DZ stamping does not compare with other January 1969 Z/28 engine stamps. Block appears to have been decked.
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Re: Caveat Emptor...Numbers matching?
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2021, 12:06:22 AM »
Yup - one of those subtle wording differences to watch out for:

“….a numbers matching …” vs  “….the numbers matching original…”

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Re: Caveat Emptor...Numbers matching?
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2021, 12:26:47 AM »
(quote) Yup - one of those subtle wording differences to watch out for:

“….a numbers matching …” vs  “….the numbers matching original…” (quote)..

or better yet 'Born With'..

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Re: Caveat Emptor...Numbers matching?
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2021, 08:09:52 AM »
With the increasing successful litigation of sellers/dealers for misrepresentation of vehicles and parts they try to reduce their liability with stuff like "believed to be" or "pervious owner says". I hate dealers and flippers.
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Re: Caveat Emptor...Numbers matching?
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2021, 03:17:09 PM »
Sold for $95.5k!
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Re: Caveat Emptor...Numbers matching?
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2021, 04:07:39 PM »
Fueled by people like this, and NCRS acceptance of restamps.   https://numbersmatch.net

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Re: Caveat Emptor...Numbers matching?
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2021, 04:32:14 PM »
Maybe they should have listed it as 1/2 X77 and 1/2 X33 and just called it a X55. Whoever gave $95.5k prob wouldnt know the difference....
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Re: Caveat Emptor...Numbers matching?
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2021, 07:28:52 PM »
That link by Red955i was very disturbing.

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Re: Caveat Emptor...Numbers matching?
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2021, 08:37:05 PM »
That link by Red955i was very disturbing.

Which is why the block need to be inspected for the correct machining pattern that was left by broaching at the engine plant. I'm wondering if that is somehow being duplicated these days?
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Re: Caveat Emptor...Numbers matching?
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2021, 08:56:15 PM »
There are people who SAY they can reproduce the factory broach marks, BUT IMO  I think I can tell the difference between a 50 yr old broached surface and one broached and stamped last year...?   
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Re: Caveat Emptor...Numbers matching?
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2021, 08:58:30 PM »
Everyone in the hobby just needs to be educated that “numbers-matching” does not mean born-with. Sadly plenty of folks new to the hobby have no idea. But really, the concept of “numbers-matching” just needs to go away in general. It’s born-with or it’s not. I can’t get over that this car sold for $95k!
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Re: Caveat Emptor...Numbers matching?
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2021, 10:09:39 PM »
,,,,,,,,,,,,, born-with or it’s not. I can’t get over that this car sold for $95k!

DITTO!

or Did it really will we see it again soon<>?
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Re: Caveat Emptor...Numbers matching?
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2021, 10:28:40 PM »
,,,,,,,,,,,,, born-with or it’s not. I can’t get over that this car sold for $95k!

DITTO!

or Did it really will we see it again soon<>?

Probably the same guy that paid $171 for this Z.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-chevrolet-camaro-z-28-32/
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Re: Caveat Emptor...Numbers matching?
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2021, 01:16:26 AM »
Directly from the seller during the auction when asked:

Nov 3 at 12:52 PM
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Is this a Date Code Correct engine or a numbers matching engine the car was born with?

Nov 3 at 5:25 PM
highoctane1 (The Seller) This author's likes: 28
@WX8 matching numbers engine it was born with

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Re: Caveat Emptor...Numbers matching?
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2021, 02:22:41 AM »
Interesting that the phone number on the Numbers Match site appears to be the same as this business.

https://fantomworks.com/about/contact-us/

 

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