Author Topic: 09B SS Camaro Rally Wheel search (Read 8468 times)

Charley · « **on:** October 17, 2021, 12:52:38 AM »

Have a weird set of wheels on my 09B SS. Anybody else have a rally wheel SS around that date ?

z28z11 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 17, 2021, 01:46:58 AM »

What's weird about them ? Wheel code, date ? Care to share some pics ?

Steve

Charley · « **Reply #2 on:** October 17, 2021, 03:49:26 PM »

It's a long long story... Guy orders a SS RS 396 Camaro, L34, M21, 373's while in Vietnam. Father in law works at the dealership. He gets back from Vietnam, picks up his Car but had odd looking Rally Wheels on it.

69Z28-RS · « **Reply #3 on:** October 17, 2021, 04:02:10 PM »

I don't think I've ever seen a center cap like that.. Is the center cap the only 'weird' part? OR are there other unusual aspects of the wheel rims themselves? or the rings?

Charley · « **Reply #4 on:** October 17, 2021, 04:09:07 PM »

The rims are XT's, correctly dated for the car but paint silver and not body color like a non Rally wheel car would have.The center cap is a Rally wheel center cap center section bolted to a dog dish hubcap. Correct 4 clip trim rings. Rally Wheels listed on the window sticker. All 5 rims dated the same. Early car.

Danzo · « **Reply #5 on:** October 17, 2021, 11:55:22 PM »

What does the inside of the poverty cap look like. It looks like someone took a rally wheel center cap apart and bollted it to the poverty cap.
Doc

cook_dw · « **Reply #6 on:** October 18, 2021, 12:29:46 AM »

That’s a first for me.. Pretty cool Lillard..

Charley · « **Reply #7 on:** October 18, 2021, 12:39:33 AM »

Yes it is obviously a rally wheel center screwed to a poverty cap but it came that way new according to the orig owner. Asking here for examples of Rally wheel SS cars built in the same time frame to see if there was a problem sourcing 14x7 Rally's at that time.

Charley · « **Reply #8 on:** October 18, 2021, 12:49:45 AM »

Car has 25000 miles on it, orig. unrestored. Kurt has known the car as Steve Shauger owned it years ago.

bcmiller · « **Reply #9 on:** October 18, 2021, 05:43:20 PM »

Never seen any wheel caps like that before.

Dealers sometimes would do about ANYTHING to sell a car.

I would leave AS IS, or put aftermarket wheels on it and keep “originals” for future owner.

Charley · « **Reply #10 on:** October 18, 2021, 08:11:32 PM »

My understanding is his father in law worked at the dealership and that was how it came. If it had shipped without Rally's how do you explain the correct dated XT wheels and no body color paint on them. They are all orig. paint. All 5 XT's are dated the same and the spare is also not body color. There are mags on the car now that I'm keeping on it. They were put on by orig. owner and came with the car so I put them back on. I'll keep a weird cap in the trunk so I can debate with people :-)

cook_dw · « **Reply #11 on:** October 19, 2021, 01:18:30 AM »

Is the wheel paint argent silver or Cortez? Don’t wanna make any assumptions

Charley · « **Reply #12 on:** October 19, 2021, 01:28:41 AM »

No idea.

cook_dw · « **Reply #13 on:** October 19, 2021, 02:42:56 AM »

Earliest YJ’s I have owned are 10/19/68. Not sure if there is anything earlier than that but I’d guess there is though.

Charley · « **Reply #14 on:** October 20, 2021, 03:43:18 AM »

Any other early YJ wheels out there ?

KurtS · « **Reply #15 on:** October 20, 2021, 04:09:51 AM »

These wheels were a topic of forum discussion some 20 years ago.
I don't know of any other original early 14x7's to compare too. Never heard of another like this.....
I personally think the dealer did it, but that doesn't explain the wheel color.

cook_dw · « **Reply #16 on:** October 20, 2021, 01:19:13 PM »

Not to piggyback but that was my first thought. Also reason I asked wheel color thinking maybe they had a Cortez silver base wheel’d car and swapped it but that’s stretch.. Regardless crazy cool wheel center. I’d guess there won’t be another with any paperwork like these.

Charley · « **Reply #17 on:** October 20, 2021, 07:56:25 PM »

Some 14x7 Rally Wheels around the same date as these would answer if they were available.

Charley · « **Reply #18 on:** December 12, 2021, 12:53:36 AM »

Still looking for a Rally Wheel 69 SS 09B car or a 14x7 rally wheel dated that early.

firstgenaddict · « **Reply #19 on:** December 12, 2021, 05:23:34 AM »

Quote from: KurtS on October 20, 2021, 04:09:51 AM

These wheels were a topic of forum discussion some 20 years ago.
I don't know of any other original early 14x7's to compare too. Never heard of another like this.....
I personally think the dealer did it, but that doesn't explain the wheel color.

I was thinking to myself.... where did I see this years ago?
Thanks Kurt. I remember the photo from 2000 and Steve's ownership. Early 350 hp car with chambered exh.
speaking of Steves ownership I see the 14-15kmile RSSS 350 AC coupe owned by Rick George also is coming to auction.

69Z28-RS · « **Reply #20 on:** December 12, 2021, 02:50:31 PM »

I'd put my $ on owner modified. If Chevy delivered a car to me like that with caps like that, they'd either have to replace them with correct, OR put some 'tire cutters' on them like the 007 Aston Martin from the old movie...

Those centers protrude beyond the tire/wheels around an inch (guesstimate from the photos)...

Charley · « **Reply #21 on:** December 12, 2021, 09:03:21 PM »

Then how do you explain the correct dated XT rims not being painted body color and Rally Wheels on the window sticker ?

firstgenaddict · « **Reply #22 on:** December 12, 2021, 11:42:23 PM »

Charley do you have any other window stickers for a 69 SS with Rally wheel option?
If so are the ECL codes the same?

Charley · « **Reply #23 on:** December 13, 2021, 02:31:11 PM »

I'll have to dig around....

Charley · « **Reply #24 on:** December 13, 2021, 02:42:54 PM »

Same code.

Charley · « **Reply #25 on:** December 13, 2021, 02:43:58 PM »

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Charley · « **Reply #26 on:** December 13, 2021, 02:44:57 PM »

.........

cook_dw · « **Reply #27 on:** December 13, 2021, 02:48:29 PM »

Is this a possible spot that were 2 errors in trying to attach (drilling holes) the centers to the cap?

Charley · « **Reply #28 on:** December 13, 2021, 03:11:09 PM »

I'll check but don't think so.

Jonesy · « **Reply #29 on:** December 13, 2021, 03:49:23 PM »

It just seems so odd that they didnt have YJ rallys at that early point in production. You would think they would have slapped some 68 rallys on it. August dated XTs are hard to find and I would think they are possibly what came on it. Then maybe this was the fix by the dealer to get the rally wheel look to satisfy the customer.
I dont think I have seen any YJ rallys earlier than Oct 1968

Charley · « **Reply #30 on:** December 13, 2021, 04:14:54 PM »

Just a ink stamp on the back in that pic.

cook_dw · « **Reply #31 on:** December 13, 2021, 05:02:23 PM »

Good deal. That first photo threw me off. Thanks for confirming the ink.

Charley · « **Reply #32 on:** December 13, 2021, 07:26:06 PM »

All 5 XT's are dated correct for the car and the spare tire is dated correct for the car so I'm certain these are all 5 orig. XT rims that came on this car.

bertfam · « **Reply #33 on:** December 13, 2021, 07:49:24 PM »

Charley, I'm going to throw mud on your car by telling you a story. One that happened to me.

Back in 1990, I purchased a new Chevy S-10 Blazer. I wanted a black exterior with gray interior S-10 but it had to have a manual transmission. The dealership didn't have one in stock so after doing a network search, they found one up in Bakersfield (about 150 miles away). I put a down payment on the truck and when it came in a few days later, it was exactly what I wanted EXCEPT it had the butt-ugly (IMO) aluminum wheels! I was hemming and hawing about getting the truck with those wheels and was trying to make a deal to get the price down, when the sales guy said he could swap out those wheels for the Rally wheels I originally wanted. I asked him how long it would take to get the wheels and he said he could just swap them out with another truck he had sitting on the lot. Not only did he swap the wheels, but he also threw in the rear spare tire carrier and cover to cover the price difference between the aluminum wheels and the Rally wheels. I was satisfied. (By the way, that was a GREAT truck!! 4.3L V6 with the Getrag 5 speed manual transmission. I ran it for 13 years before trading it in on a 2003 Toyota Highlander.)

I'm not saying this is what happened in your particular case, but as we know, a lot of things can and do happen at dealerships. Your Rally wheels may not have been what the original owner cared for so they may have swapped out the Rally wheels with the XT wheels. And why aren't they body color? Because perhaps they came from a Cortez Silver car that was also on the lot at the same time? This would explain the color and all 5 being the same date. As for the funky caps, I too believe that was done by a prior owner (MAYBE the dealer but highly doubtful) since the factory wouldn't have done it.

Again, not saying this is what happened, but it's one possibility. Unless you can find absolute proof one way or the other, you'll never know.

Ed

Charley · « **Reply #34 on:** December 13, 2021, 09:13:05 PM »

But my orig. owner wanted and ordered Rally Wheels. He also says these are what came on it new when he picked it up at the dealership that he had ordered it thru. He put mag wheels on it later. I may never know but finding a YJ wheel dated for this car would be a indicator that they were at least made. If the dealer was stealing the Rally's off my car for another customer car they would be short the Rally wheel center sections plus trim rings and probably need to order them. Why not just order Rally's, trim rings and center caps for the other car ?

bertfam · « **Reply #35 on:** December 13, 2021, 09:49:34 PM »

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If the dealer was stealing the Rally's off my car for another customer car they would be short the Rally wheel center sections plus trim rings and probably need to order them.

Not really. Although rare, base wheels were available with P06 trim rings so all they needed to do was swap your Rally's out with another car's base wheels with P06. Heck, they may have even had the P06 trim rings in the service department (P/N 3934892). They would have also installed the dog dish caps from the donor car, so nothing needed to be ordered. If he's saying the funky caps were on the car when he picked it up, I'm a HUGE doubter.

Ed

Charley · « **Reply #36 on:** December 14, 2021, 12:59:19 AM »

He absolutely says that. If August 68 Rally Wheels are out there it would lend credence to your theory which is why I am asking for any examples.

bertfam · « **Reply #37 on:** December 14, 2021, 02:27:11 AM »

Charley I checked the database and the YH wheels start showing up in early December, 1968. I then checked for XG 14x6 Rally wheels and while I didn't see anything note worthy in there, I checked Martin's wheel spreadsheet of known XG dates and he's got K18 5 8 XG (May 5th, 1968) and K18 11 8 XG (November 8th, 1968). Nothing for August, 1968 for either the YH or the XG.

We know wheels were built in HUGE batches, so it's not surprising to find such a huge gap in date codes. This doesn't mean there aren't any, it's just that we've not found any.

I'm wondering if XG wheels were used for the start of the 1969 model year until the YH wheels became available. Just a theory...

Also note that there isn't a lot of data points for wheels so take this into consideration.

Ed

cook_dw · « **Reply #38 on:** December 14, 2021, 03:09:17 AM »

Ed, check YJ’s not YH’s.. if you see one of my previous posts I mentioned having a set of 10/19/68.

bertfam · « **Reply #39 on:** December 14, 2021, 03:21:44 AM »

Oops. Sorry. YJ wheels start the second week of October, 1968 (10B).

But again, not a ton of data.

Ed

Charley · « **Reply #40 on:** December 14, 2021, 04:29:51 AM »

My car is a 09B but has Rally Wheels on the Window sticker. The XT wheels that I believe came on the car new are all dated 8-17. 8-17 would be a pretty good match for a 09B car.

bertfam · « **Reply #41 on:** December 14, 2021, 03:01:15 PM »

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The XT wheels that I believe came on the car new are all dated 8-17. 8-17 would be a pretty good match for a 09B car.

It would also be a pretty good match for every other Camaro that happened to be on the lot at the time.

But we'll keep looking and hopefully more wheel data points will come in. What we really need is for Kurt or William (who hopefully have some docs from that time period) to look through them and see how many had Rally wheels, then see if those cars are in the database with XT wheels. It's a (VERY) long shot, but it might tell us something.

Ed

Charley · « **Reply #42 on:** December 14, 2021, 03:06:50 PM »

What I was told was this dealer did not deal in high performance cars and were worried that if the buyer that ordered did not come back from the military they would be stuck with a car they couldn't sell so they probably didn't have much in the way of XT wheel cars on the lot.

bertfam · « **Reply #43 on:** December 14, 2021, 03:12:40 PM »

One other thing... These same Rally wheels were also used on the Nova so you might want to check some of those forums to see if this subject has come up there.

Ed

Charley · « **Reply #44 on:** December 17, 2021, 01:22:12 AM »

William stated on SYC that there are other early SS cars with Rally Wheels in the data base here......

william · « **Reply #45 on:** December 17, 2021, 04:12:43 PM »

Final assembly date of SS cars in the db noted as having ZJ7.

Norwood
Aug 22, 1968
Sep 17, 1968
Sep 19, 1968

Van Nuys
Sep 12, 1968
Sep 26, 1968
Sep 27, 1968

Charley · « **Reply #46 on:** December 17, 2021, 04:20:53 PM »

Is it known if any of those cars have their Rally Wheels ?

william · « **Reply #47 on:** December 17, 2021, 10:09:24 PM »

At least one of them did, probably not any longer. When it went into the db 21 years ago, the car was fairly original and noted as having its original spare. Since then, it has had resto work done, been auctioned and certified by JM 2013. Had some other wheels and radial tires at that time.

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Author Topic: 09B SS Camaro Rally Wheel search (Read 8468 times)