What's it worth?

[169INDY]

Why? Because that chassis IS rare and desirable to collectors.

Amended to read "Why? Because that VIN IS rare and desirable to collectors.

that is a wink and a nod to the Dark Green rebody,,,,,,,LoL.

Danny Does Pontiac Stamp the VIN on it's 400's in 1969(T/A) (I am not up on the other GM makes)?

[dannystarr]

I do see some good points. If the car is super rare they tend to let the NOM slid some, or alot. As in the case of a '67 GT500. For some reason it's just not that important to those guys. I don't know if they stamped VIN's on the 400 Pontiac Block. Someone here should know. I agree about going all the way for originality and matching everything for future sales etc. All my cars are matching EVERYTHING! I pride myself on it. Problem is, ya can't beat on them. If I get this car, I can beat on it and if she blows... just get another 400 and keep moving. I always said I wouldn't buy a NOM car. But I might just try to make this happen. It's a long shot, but that's the fun of it. Thanx again to everyone. And again, keep it coming  ... Danny

[Kelley W King]

The corvette guys years ago said if the car has no docs assume it is fake. To me a "born with" drivetrain car is just a different a different car altogether. On this car I would think maybe 30% down if you knew an average price.

[69Z28-RS]

I suspect that the same 'Georgia law' that required Chevrolet to stamp unique id numbers on even replacement engines and transmissions beginning in 1968 also required all other manufacturers to unique identify their engines and transmissions.

I did a quick google and found this link which indicates Pontiac had a similar scheme to Chevrolet...

https://foreverpontiac.com/forums/topic/12629-1968-pontiac-400-engine-block-vin-number-stamp-sizes/

Gary

[dannystarr]

I have always loved these cars. However with no factory paperwork at all I wouldn't take a second look. BUT the PHS doc's are keeping me in the mix for now. I agree with the 30%. Maybe 25 to 30%. That means a car that would normally be $130K is now about $100 to $105K. That's my thinking exactly. But a $130,000 car with only a 15% drop still puts it at $110,500. Too high as far as I am concerned. I would switch over to a different car. The transmission matches the car. Again, the car is not for sale at this time, so there isn't a number of people trying to purchase it... JUST me. It's in a building with several other cars. The owner goes over and fires it up, heats it up and drives it all around the parking lot and puts it back in. So she is getting her exercise. Maybe 5 or 6 times a year, don't know for sure. ... Danny

[firstgenaddict]

Yes Pontiac engine have VINS in 69.
The customer of mine on the L78 pace car recently bought a 69 TA which lost 7 points at the Pontiac Nationals I will see if he will chime in here.

[x66 714]

Yes Pontiac engine have VINS in 69.
The customer of mine on the L78 pace car recently bought a 69 TA which lost 7 points at the Pontiac Nationals I will see if he will chime in here.

James
7 points out of how many? For non "born with" engine?
Thank you, Joe

[firstgenaddict]

His is matching numbers and if not mistaken Pontiac uses a 2500 point system.

[69Z28-RS]

that must be a near perfect car to only lose 7 pts out of 2500~ ...

[x66 714]

Pretty good. Thanks for the clarification....Joe

[firstgenaddict]

About a 20k hit on a well restored car.
Danny, that gets you into the 105k range which is reasonable especially if had a blue interior with console or fold down rear something.
My buddy had the chance to swap his 70 RA3 judge conv for a 69 RAIV TA in the late 80's... may have been a good trade, he still has the judge conv, with factory 4.33's.

[MO]

Sure you can make an engine look like something it isn't (sort of like putting lipstick on a pig), but that's not going to change the value. A clone is a clone and should not add significant value to the overall price of the sale. That engine is worth the some of it's parts at best.

Absolutely correct. Just for poops and grins, what would a ZL-1 Camaro be worth missing its all alum 427, and a 350 small block is now in place? Still a ton of money. Why? Because that VIN/chassis IS rare and desirable to collectors.

That is a tough one. Probably one of the hardest Chevrolet's to value. I'd guess that in today's market an all original, no question, restored car, could be 1m+. The same car with a 350 small block could be 750k+. A caveat to that would be a ZL1 of which the original engine was removed and may have been replaced with a 350 by a dealer, to make the car more salable. I'd guess that car would be somewhere in between.