Author Topic: Amazing how a car can go from "restored" to "original" in just a few years!  (Read 2248 times)

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Back in 2006, we had THIS CAR on Craigslist (and also on EBAY) in the database as a "very nice restored car". Then, in 2008 it showed up on ebay with very little information other than it "has been repainted".

And now, it's suddenly a "totally original unrestored" car! (However, as you can clearly see by the pictures, it's HARDLY original!)

VIN is 124378N322875 and yes, it's a nice car, but again, offered by a flipper and VERY misrepresented.

How many things can YOU find wrong with a "totally original unrestored" car!!??

Before and after pictures of the rear springs in 2008 and the rear springs now. Also, aftermarket wheels in 2008 and base wheels now. And there's a lot more...

Don't get me wrong, it's a very nice car with original POP, engine, etc..., but telling someone it's totally original just irks me.

Ed
« Last Edit: March 13, 2021, 04:48:32 PM by bertfam »
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It's a dealer, not very many of them are that upfront about what they know about the cars they sell. The rare few that do are reputable and either know there stuff and if they don't they take the initative to find out from those that do. Don't let it get to you Ed, it's a losing battle.
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And many many people think if it looks right it is original. They don't associate redone, repainted, restored. And many think you can change to BB,Z-28, or add RS or SS, and no one will ever know.
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I doubt that the gas tank on this Camaro looked that nice when it rolled off the assembly line at the Norwood Plant.  I wish the exhaust on my 1979 Trans Am looked as good as this car, and it has been in California since being built at the Van Nuys Plant.

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Saw a guy on FB today asking what he should do after he has bought what was advertised as a L89 and not he found the block is restamped and I believe it had a fake protecto plate.  Dealer sold it to him.  Had to be expensive mistake. 
1969 Z28, Burgandy, numbers matching, 12,900 miles
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Saw a guy on FB today asking what he should do after he has bought what was advertised as a L89 and not he found the block is restamped and I believe it had a fake protecto plate.  Dealer sold it to him.  Had to be expensive mistake.

FB would be the last place I would go asking for advice. If he shelled out big bucks and has proof that the car has been misrepresented then he should call his lawyer.
« Last Edit: March 14, 2021, 04:50:06 PM by Z282NV »
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Saw a guy on FB today asking what he should do after he has bought what was advertised as a L89 and not he found the block is restamped and I believe it had a fake protecto plate.  Dealer sold it to him.  Had to be expensive mistake.

FB would be the last place I would go asking for advice. If he shelled out big bucks and has proof that the car has been misrepresented then he should call his lawyer.

This site, almost certainly, will be in your search results for first gen camaro information. Searching and doing just a little due diligence should turn up one or more of the following CRG, team camaro, or Yenko.net in relation to 67-69 hi perf Camaros. IMHO If buyers found any of these sites and were to ask a few questions, MANY cases of buyers remorse could be prevented.
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I think the guy on FB was hoping someone gave him a lawyers name.  Several came up with the same guy. 
I agree these guys are not doing much homework
1969 Z28, Burgandy, numbers matching, 12,900 miles
1968 RS 327 4 speed
1967 Plymouth GTX Hemi, 4 speed, dana
1961 Chrysler 300G convertible

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Some of the restorations or facelifts on these cars were done so long ago they start looking "original".
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69 SS L78
67 SS Chevelle
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This is the reason for disclaimers such as "believed to be". Add to that statement whatever applies, such as, drivetrain, mileage, original, etc.. I guess that is an escape clause?

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This is a good reason to have Jerry certify any hi dollar rare original   “believed to be” before you buy.
I bet he would cost less then a lawyer on a long dragged out law suit! Also should help your heirs when they go to sell in the future!

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A long time wealthy car collector friend of mine always states: "No documentation, no premium". I agree what has been mentioned, get a qualified person to inspect ANY potential car you intend to purchase....especially a big dollar car.
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