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Re: Painting details...
« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2020, 11:57:42 AM »
Good info. I wasn't sure on availability of materials for lacquer, or how often it was still used. Are cars judged the same by NCRS regardless of material, just how they present?
If they can't tell it's not lacquer then no deduct.
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Re: Painting details...
« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2020, 12:08:09 PM »
Single stage non-metallic colors can be simulated as lacquer with significant extra work, but BC cannot (IMO).. just take a little compound or polish and TRY to pull color off a BC job... it won't happen...
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Re: Painting details...
« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2020, 12:41:31 PM »
Single stage non-metallic colors can be simulated as lacquer with significant extra work, but BC cannot (IMO).. just take a little compound or polish and TRY to pull color off a BC job... it won't happen...


You cannot use any method which would require you to touch a car as a judge during a NCRS show...
Even if you put a business card to the paint there is no gap in the reflection with one sanded and polished coat of PURE CLEAR with 10-15% flattener.
BC/CC will pass by the national NCRS paint judges as lacquer when done in this fashion.
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Re: Painting details...
« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2020, 01:57:24 PM »
I haven't been involved with NCRS judging in more than 20 yrs, but they 'used to' pull color on a car with suspect paint (perhaps surreptiously? :)

I'm sure requirements for 'original type paint' are going away (if not already gone) as availability of lacquer is essentially a thing of the past...   The Camaro Judging basically discounted 'paint type' in their judging even 10 yrs or so ago; today they might even do a deduct if a car doesn't have the 'glossy/plastic-appearing' finish of a base clear job!  :(

PS.  James, I applaud your efforts to 'simulate' lacquer type finish even with base/clear paints!   I'd love to see one of those jobs to determine if I could tell.. 
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Re: Painting details...
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2020, 02:51:17 PM »
I haven't been involved with NCRS judging in more than 20 yrs, but they 'used to' pull color on a car with suspect paint (perhaps surreptiously? :)

I'm sure requirements for 'original type paint' are going away (if not already gone) as availability of lacquer is essentially a thing of the past...   The Camaro Judging basically discounted 'paint type' in their judging even 10 yrs or so ago; today they might even do a deduct if a car doesn't have the 'glossy/plastic-appearing' finish of a base clear job!  :(

PS.  James, I applaud your efforts to 'simulate' lacquer type finish even with base/clear paints!   I'd love to see one of those jobs to determine if I could tell.. 

Shoot me a PM with your mailing address and I will send you a spray out sample from the Warbonnet Yellow Vette pictured below, I would love to hear more input.
 


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Re: Painting details...
« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2020, 02:11:09 AM »
Polishing polishing polishing...
FWIW I use a Cyclo Orbital polisher (Boeing has used them since the 50's for polishing aircraft such as AF1) with TWIN counter rotating Orbital heads and a Geared Orbital Makita, I don't like using rotary polishers as I feel they are way too aggressive.




The geared orbital is an incredible polisher












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Re: Painting details...
« Reply #36 on: June 18, 2020, 03:34:17 PM »
Those cyclone orbitals are the bees knees..  I will eventually need to get one.

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Re: Painting details...
« Reply #37 on: June 19, 2020, 03:12:35 PM »
Cyclo orbitals come up on ebay occasionally for under $200, I was fortunate I found mine on the local craigslist for $120, best thing about cyclo's is EVERY single part is available from the manufacturer (Denver CO) to service the machine.
They are available in 110, 220, European elect, and Pneumatic - I have wool bonnets as well as foam pads, brushes for cleaning carpet and they also make up to 9000 grit papers for polishing PLEXIGLASS and LEXAN airplane windows.
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Re: Painting details...
« Reply #38 on: June 19, 2020, 04:03:07 PM »
Damn autocorrect.  Cyclo not cyclone.