Author Topic: Hood insulation retainers (Read 7402 times)

bc69 · « **on:** October 13, 2019, 08:37:08 PM »

Looking into the originality of these hood retainers and or information of the design and identification of these through the 3 year models.

Niblet · « **Reply #1 on:** October 18, 2019, 02:56:19 AM »

I don't understand your question,,what do wish to know?

x66 714 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 18, 2019, 11:14:47 AM »

I think he wants to know if the hood insulation retainer clips are the same for all 67-69 Camaros or did they change from year to year...Joe

ZLP955 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 18, 2019, 11:30:41 AM »

There are photos of originals (for the '69 MY at least) versus service replacement and reproduction clips in this thread:
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=13684

bc69 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 18, 2019, 12:38:16 PM »

Yes and thanks Niblet. I run into a guy that had metal square retainers and swore they were orig.
Had me questioning mine. The post above was a big help as the round with holes in the posts are what is still in place on this car. Verified my original thoughts.
Bc69

trobert63 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 18, 2019, 02:50:54 PM »

Mine are original and are square metal. 1968 2nd owner LA car built 3rd week of July 1968.

69Z28-RS · « **Reply #6 on:** October 19, 2019, 03:28:17 AM »

I'd like to see a photo of the square *original* retainers on yuor '68...?

I'm not questioning it; just never seen one (or noticed one)...

bc69 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 19, 2019, 04:32:11 AM »

Trobert
This guys car was a 68 but if I recall it was a Norwood car.

trobert63 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 19, 2019, 08:29:30 PM »

I cant post one here but would be more than happy to forward you one from my phone. I know all the repo ones are round. Car still has the original hood insulation too, in rough shape but original.

69Z28-RS · « **Reply #9 on:** October 19, 2019, 11:13:41 PM »

The attached image as sent to me by troberts of his 'square retainers'... Maybe he can elaborate on the number of them used, etc...?

bc69 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 22, 2019, 03:01:53 AM »

Does the 67-68 aims show a part number for this retainer?

69Z28-RS · « **Reply #11 on:** October 22, 2019, 03:16:24 AM »

Quote from: bc69 on October 22, 2019, 03:01:53 AM

Does the 67-68 aims show a part number for this retainer?

And a related question would be ... Is there a part number on this retainer on Troberts car? He'd have to remove one of them to inspect the hidden surface for the part number. He told me his car has 20 of them used to hold the insulation in place...

169INDY · « **Reply #12 on:** October 22, 2019, 05:12:56 AM »

Does not appear to be a style that was generally found on the 1st gen hood insulation, all of us and all the cars we have seen. I don't recognize them, certainly cars get serviced, painted or modified and aftermarket retainers 'could' have been sourced during the life of this particular car. Could be a Ford, AMC product or Mopar or aftermarket decades old Au-Ve-Co, Dorman etc. They look sturdy and w/ steel construction. A internet image search really did not turn this style as a return. Not saying they have not been on this car as a recent add (*Looks Old) but while they look familiar, just not what has generally been accepted as original or stock restoration parts.

The 1968 AIM list the retainer under the L48 section A4, Part item 9 PN 3909199. The graphic drawing show a circle style

bc69 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 22, 2019, 02:39:10 PM »

This is two that we have now seen with the square metal retainer. Both claimed to be original. So this raises my curiosity even more. Hope we can get some more helpful input.

69Z28-RS · « **Reply #14 on:** October 22, 2019, 03:00:11 PM »

Two?? Isn't this the first one? first one that I've heard about anyway...

bc69 · « **Reply #15 on:** October 22, 2019, 03:48:38 PM »

Yes two. As I said at start I saw one at Springfield that had the square metal. They were on a 68 and said to be original.

bertfam · « **Reply #16 on:** October 22, 2019, 05:36:57 PM »

The P&A's show the square metal retainers (P/N 3934260 as shown below) were used on 65-69 Corvairs, mid 60's to early 70's full size cars and Chevelles, and early 70's Camaros. I've never seen them used on any 67-69 Camaro, but these, like bolts, are what you might call generic types of fasteners, so it wouldn't surprise me to see them being used since GM had various suppliers for these types of parts. Not the norm, but never say never, right?

Ed

169INDY · « **Reply #17 on:** October 22, 2019, 06:20:11 PM »

http://www.corvair.com/user-cgi/catalog.cgi?show_page=295B

or serviced over it life by a gm source other than the factory.

bertfam · « **Reply #18 on:** October 22, 2019, 06:59:29 PM »

According to the P&A's, the Corvair retainer went through several changes. It started out as 9775412 (1965 only), then went to 389809 (1965-1966), then 3897534 (1965-1968) and finally to 3934260 (1968-1969).

It's also known that the 3934260 retainer went though a design change from metal to plastic, but it's unknown exactly when. Early 70's Camaros have been observed with metal retainers while later Camaros have been observed with plastic. It also shows up in the later P&A's as "plastic".

However, for 67-69 Camaros, the round plastic retainer (3909199) is the one that's generally accepted as being "assembly line correct". But if you look in the 67 AIM (UPC 11-13, Sheet B4, Item 3, Note 4), it was changed from 3907534 (the 65-68 Corvair retainer) on 5-15-66. Was this a metal retainer or a plastic retainer? And did they ever make it into any 67 Camaro?

Again, retainers were supplied by multiple vendors, so after all these years, who knows!

Ed

Petes L48 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 22, 2019, 08:09:18 PM »

Quote from: bertfam on October 22, 2019, 05:36:57 PM

The P&A's show the square metal retainers (P/N 3934260 as shown below) were used on 65-69 Corvairs, mid 60's to early 70's full size cars and Chevelles, and early 70's Camaros. I've never seen them used on any 67-69 Camaro, but these, like bolts, are what you might call generic types of fasteners, so it wouldn't surprise me to see them being used since GM had various suppliers for these types of parts. Not the norm, but never say never, right?

Ed

Given this info, IF they were ever used on any first gen, it seems LOS/VN cars would be more likely candidates than Norwood, since they had full size models running on the same line.

bertfam · « **Reply #20 on:** October 22, 2019, 09:09:39 PM »

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Given this info, IF they were ever used on any first gen, it seems LOS/VN cars would be more likely candidates than Norwood, since they had full size models running on the same line.

As Mr. Spock would say, this sounds like a logical conclusion.

Ed

69Z28-RS · « **Reply #21 on:** October 22, 2019, 09:30:15 PM »

Quote from: bc69 on October 22, 2019, 03:48:38 PM

Yes two. As I said at start I saw one at Springfield that had the square metal. They were on a 68 and said to be original.

Thanks, I took your original comment as referencing TRoberts car...

KurtS · « **Reply #22 on:** December 13, 2019, 05:44:47 AM »

Ran across this picture of an original 67 hood insulation clip. 06E NOR

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