Author Topic: Real 1969 z28 ? X33  (Read 6319 times)

sappy787

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 33
    • View Profile
Real 1969 z28 ? X33
« on: September 28, 2019, 07:43:20 AM »
Looking to buy this 1968 Z28 camaro but I have read a lot of these cars are faked.

My first concern is the partial vin being stamped on the back of the block by the casting numbers? Isnt this usually on the front engine pad by the build date?

 I have several pictures but don't see where I can add them to this post

sappy787

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 33
    • View Profile
Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2019, 07:48:46 AM »
Front engine pad stamp is V0508DZ

Also a engine code of D 0 9

sappy787

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 33
    • View Profile
Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2019, 07:50:06 AM »
rear block casting # is 3956618 and what seems weird is the partial vin stamp is to the left of these numbers

x66 714

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1788
    • View Profile
Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2019, 11:23:50 AM »
Post a picture of the trim tag & the number on the front of the engine....Joe
See America's First, Chevrolet

1968 Z/28 Corvette Bronze. Black Hounds Tooth. 02E Los Angeles born 3/13/1968 pnt OO. Purchased March 1976
1969 SS396 Yellow/Yellow 08E Norwood born 8/28/1969 pnt 76E. Purchased April 1981

69Z28-RS

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5778
  • owner since 4-Apr-1976
    • View Profile
Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2019, 11:42:20 AM »
For part of the model year, some '69 V8 engines had the partial VIN stamped into the rough casting area near/above the oil filter boss rather than the front pad.  It's pretty difficult to read the partial VIN when on the rough casting area.
09C 69Z28-RS, 72 B 720 cowl console rosewood tint
69 Corvette, '60 Corvette, '72 Corvette
90 ZR1 red/red #246, 90 ZR1 white/gray #2466
72 El Camino, '55-'56-'57 Nomads, '55-'57 B/A Sedan

sappy787

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 33
    • View Profile
Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2019, 12:03:45 PM »
Trim tag

sappy787

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 33
    • View Profile
Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2019, 12:05:12 PM »
The vin stamping seems like the 1 doesn't line up to the rest of the partial vin? Any chance its re stamped?

william

  • CRG Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3136
    • View Profile
Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2019, 12:05:52 PM »
Chevrolet primarily used 3 different block castings for the 4" bore [302, 350] small-block over the 1969 model year: 3932386, 3956618, 3970010. Each was used for a certain time frame. I have never seen a May-built DZ engine with a 3956618 casting.

VIN is a very bad re-stamp.
Learning more and more about less and less...

sappy787

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 33
    • View Profile
Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2019, 12:06:07 PM »
block code

sappy787

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 33
    • View Profile
Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2019, 12:09:52 PM »
Also would a 04C on the trim tag be to early for a V0508DZ stamp?

william

  • CRG Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3136
    • View Profile
Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2019, 12:25:14 PM »
The VIN stamp appears to be 19N634823. That VIN was final-assembled on or about April 28, 1969.
Learning more and more about less and less...

rszmjt

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 279
    • View Profile
Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2019, 03:07:26 PM »
D-0-9 cast date?  Didnt know there was a 0 Day .

z28z11

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1853
    • View Profile
Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2019, 03:40:02 PM »
Gotta be one of the smoothest castings I have ever seen in the filter area. Deburring and de-flashing guys at the foundry must have taken hours to do that one area - not.

Questionable to say the least. JMO -

Regards,
Steve
1968 Z28 M21/U17 BRG/W 1967 Chevy ll Nova SS 
1969 Z28 X77/M20/VE3 LeMans/W
1969 L78 X66/N66 Cortez/BVT
1969 Z11 L48/M35/C60/C06  1949 3100 5wd 235/6

sappy787

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 33
    • View Profile
Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2019, 04:28:30 PM »
Thanks Steve. im leaning on passing on it as of right now

sappy787

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 33
    • View Profile
Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2019, 04:31:07 PM »
Actually after looking at the vin stamping it is a brighter shade of orange as it appears on that one spot that got repainted? Maybe just me mind scaring me away from this car.

sappy787

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 33
    • View Profile
Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2019, 08:53:26 PM »

Actually after looking at the vin stamping it is a brighter shade of orange as it appears on that one spot that got repainted? Maybe just my mind scaring me away from this car.

ZLP955

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2186
    • View Profile
Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2019, 11:27:52 PM »
Block cast date looks like D 10 9 to me.
Tim in Australia.
1969 04A Van Nuys Z/28. Cortez Silver, Dark Blue interior, VE3, Z21, Z23, D55/U17, D80, flat hood.
Sold at Clippinger Chevrolet in Covina, CA.
AHRA Formula Stock at Lions Dragstrip, NHRA E/MP at Pomona Raceway

Danzo

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 474
    • View Profile
Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2019, 12:11:26 AM »
Sure spent a lot of time to "create" that VIN

rare396bronze

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 284
    • View Profile
Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2019, 02:30:20 AM »
Vin stamping area way to smooth.  The one block I have you have a magnifying glass to read the vin. I would pass on it.

jcabuilder

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 21
    • View Profile
Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2019, 02:19:32 AM »
I know you can buy new cowl tags including the correct pop rivets.  Did you clean the area that looks brighter orange?  If you like the car and the car is something you can afford then buy it and enjoy it.  Maybe its not totally original but something that you will enjoy driving and going to cruise night and car shows. Test drive it and look it over close.  How are the floor and trunk pans, how is the wiring, does it steer good or does it wonder.  Plan on spending more than the purchase price to make it your car. If you want to verify all the casting numbers foer all of the parts they are available on this website.   
1969 Z28 X33 Tuxedo Black
2007 BMW Z4 Sapphire Black Metallic
2016 Ford F150 King Ranch Shadow Black