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« on: March 03, 2007, 07:59:27 AM »

What year was the first year for the blackout rear tailpan? Huh Im thinking 68, but could be 69?
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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2007, 08:25:20 AM »

1967,

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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2007, 02:30:51 PM »

Thanks jerry! It is a topic on a site I belong to.I wasnt sure if the 67 had it. Jerry I have 1 more paint question, the Z/28 stripes on the cowl below the windshield,did GM spray the stripes on the cowl vent panel with it on the car and did the stripe color go beneath the cowl in the wiper galley (overspray) thru the vents? If I paint the stripes on mine (black) should the overspry go under the cowl vent ?  Huh
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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2007, 04:15:33 PM »

Norwood sprayed them in place.  LA painted the cowls first and then installed the cowl and painted it.  Have photos in my book to show this. 
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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2007, 07:49:28 AM »

Thanks Jerry, I do have your book but I cant seem to find it. Tongue been busy around here lately.thanks again!
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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2007, 11:59:24 AM »

re:blackout rear tailpan.  To verify, we're talkin' big block only, correct?  No exceptions?
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2007, 12:57:21 PM »

Yes BB only.
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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2007, 01:30:35 PM »

Correct,

The SS396 used a signature blacked out rear tail panel on both Camaros and Chevelles starting in 1967.  This was to denote a Super Sport 396 model.  However, there are variations when it comes to Camaro PCs.

For years, there were stories that some of the late 1966 Chevelles carried the blacked out rear panel but I have never seen an original 66 SS396 with blacked out rear tail panel.  To my knowledge, they were body color in 1966.

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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2007, 02:55:20 PM »

To answer the second part of your question, regarding exceptions there were a few. The actual 1967 Indy track BB pace cars did not have the blacked out tail panels, however most did including C1 and 01 coded cars. Also GM documents states exceptions for a few dark colors, but I have examined several orig paint cars with the panels blacked out. For instance my survivor rs/ss L78 tahoe turqouis  car was blacked out which is contrary to GM docs. In 1969 BB Z10's and Z11"s did not get blacked out tail panels. Again dark colors such as burnished brown were supposed to be excluded, but I have examined a few orig paint cars and they were painted black.
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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2007, 03:26:44 PM »

Have two friends who bought new 67 SS396 Camaros, deepwater blue and tahoe turquoise.  Both cars had the black rear panel.  I have never seen an original SS396 Camaro w/o one 38-39 years ago and I saw quite a few back then.  Today, every once and a while I get to see a survivor that wants a certification and nothing has changed......all have been black.

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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2007, 03:29:22 PM »

Is that the turquoise survivor 375 that S. Shauger owned?  Originally from Long Island, NY? 

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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2008, 02:50:20 PM »

1967,

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When/where did you find this information? Some guy at a magazine scoffed at this assertion some time back. He said it gave all the guys in the office a good laugh that someone would believe the blackout rear tailpan was documented.
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« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2008, 09:26:10 AM »

Thanks jerry! It is a topic on a site I belong to.I wasnt sure if the 67 had it. Jerry I have 1 more paint question, the Z/28 stripes on the cowl below the windshield,did GM spray the stripes on the cowl vent panel with it on the car and did the stripe color go beneath the cowl in the wiper galley (overspray) thru the vents? If I paint the stripes on mine (black) should the overspry go under the cowl vent ?  Huh

Norwood sprayed them in place.  LA painted the cowls first and then installed the cowl and painted it.  Have photos in my book to show this. 

Could you elaborate?
I thought the Norwod cars had the cowl grilles sprayed while hanging in the window opening...
The Black 69 RS/Z with original paint definatley did not have the cowl grille on the car when it was painted... or striped.
you can see where the stripe paint overspray came though from the back where the wiper nozel cut out is located.
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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2008, 02:18:35 PM »

Correct,

The SS396 used a signature blacked out rear tail panel on both Camaros and Chevelles starting in 1967.  This was to denote a Super Sport 396 model.  However, there are variations when it comes to Camaro PCs.


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 When and where did you find this information? What is the source for corroboration? The magazine writer scoffed at this assertion.
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« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2008, 01:25:50 AM »

The SS396 used a signature blacked out rear tail panel on both Camaros and Chevelles starting in 1967.  This was to denote a Super Sport 396 model.  However, there are variations when it comes to Camaro PCs.
Jerry 

Hello Jerry!
 When and where did you find this information? What is the source for corroboration? The magazine writer scoffed at this assertion.
The blackout tailpans on 67 396 Camaros and the pace car exception to that are documented by GM paperwork and backed up with original paint cars. This is a pretty basic fact.
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« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2008, 08:08:09 AM »

What magazine writer, or at least what magazine?
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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2008, 11:26:50 AM »

The SS396 used a signature blacked out rear tail panel on both Camaros and Chevelles starting in 1967.  This was to denote a Super Sport 396 model.  However, there are variations when it comes to Camaro PCs.
Jerry 

Hello Jerry!
 When and where did you find this information? What is the source for corroboration? The magazine writer scoffed at this assertion.
The blackout tailpans on 67 396 Camaros and the pace car exception to that are documented by GM paperwork and backed up with original paint cars. This is a pretty basic fact.

Some might say, pretty basic fact. When asked by a reader about this feature, the magazine answered, "Frankly you've made our day around the offices at ---. The writer stated that,"We've never heard of any such notion. You should take solace (and sleep) in the fact that had Chevy made such a color difference for a big block, it would be a well-known fact and a badge of no small distintion at car shows."
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« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2008, 12:41:12 PM »

I hope to God that magazine is Ladies Home Journal, Teen People or Cosmopolitan, because if it's not, and it's a major automotive magazine, it's sad to see the state automotive journalism has become.

Here. This is from the August, 1967 Dealer Showroom Album, a publication CHEVROLET (a division of General Motors) produced to show the dealers what was (and was not) available on the upcoming Chevrolet models. I suggest you print this out and send it to this "expert". Make sure he examines the information I have circled. You might also want to have him check his archives, because most major automotive magazines that did reviews on these cars when they were new made note of the fact that big block Camaros came with the blacked out tail pan. Of course, this all hinges on the fact that this guy actually knows how to read.

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I too would like to know exactly what magazine this came from so I can cancel my susbcription.

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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2008, 12:54:26 PM »

I suspect that these critics were not around when these cars were new.  Common knowledge if you grew up with these cars in the 1960s.

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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2008, 01:01:38 PM »

I suspect that these critics were not around when these cars were new.  Common knowledge if you grew up with these cars in the 1960s.

Jerry
Since you chimed in, I guess it's ok to tell!
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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2008, 01:15:35 PM »

Well, I'm not surprised. CHP has been going downhill for several years now. I cancelled my subscription to that rag many years ago. Too bad they don't research the facts before they publish misinformation.

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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2008, 03:58:39 PM »

That's Chevy High Performance Magazine, not my company, Camaro Hi-Performance, same initials.

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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2008, 07:20:33 PM »

I'm sorry Jerry, but I got a little chuckle out of that one.
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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2008, 08:28:12 PM »

The few times I have picked it up in the last 2 years I have been disappointed by the mis-information represented as fact... 

 
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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2008, 12:11:38 AM »

That's Chevy High Performance Magazine, not my company, Camaro Hi-Performance, same initials.

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Whoa, my mistake and I'm sorry for any inference I caused that may have implicated you in my search for an answer to the offending writers misinformation. As an addendum I include a pic of one source of the info for corroboration.
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« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2008, 02:58:10 PM »

That may be a reprint of an old letter. I recall a very similar letter & answer many years ago.
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« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2008, 09:44:16 AM »

Ok ..now I am confused???  My 67 RS/SS 396 is Madeira Maroon, I thought it wasn't a black tailpan. Is it or Isn't it?

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« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2008, 10:05:17 AM »

For 67 396 cars, all colors except black got the black-out tail pan. However, since your car is also a Z22 (RS), it did NOT get the black-out body sill.

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There was also a paint color exception for the SS-396 tailpan black-out, but it was limited to black vehicles. In other words, only black (and special models like Z11 and Z10) SS-396 cars did not receive the (semi-gloss) blacked-out tailpans.

You can read more about this HERE.

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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2008, 01:01:18 PM »

I do subscribe to the mag, and dont recall reading that statement.
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« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2008, 02:26:38 PM »

As one who is close to Jerry's age and also saw many of these cars with the black tail panel from new, I can't believe this is even being disputed.

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« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2008, 10:30:35 AM »

I do subscribe to the mag, and dont recall reading that statement.
This statement and the font make me believe that is from an old back issue. Somewhere I have / had that issue.
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« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2008, 12:28:29 PM »

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For 67 396 cars, all colors except black got the black-out tail pan. However, since your car is also a Z22 (RS), it did NOT get the black-out body sill.

OK. I have Black tailpan but not SIll...Yea!!

Thanx Ed........Does anyone have the layout/template for the black-out tailpan?

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