Author Topic: Two questions of 69 Camaro options  (Read 2575 times)

69Z28-RS

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5150
  • owner since 4-Apr-1976
    • View Profile
Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2019, 09:14:27 PM »
It is not known how availability of COPOs 9560, 9561 & 9737 was communicated throughout the dealer network. Legend has it they were supposed to be exclusive to their respective dealerships, Gibb Chevrolet and Yenko Chevrolet. But Berger Chevrolet learned of them early on and initially ordered one of each. Their ZL1 [body # 211785] was actually ordered prior to Gibbs' 50 car order.

I've seen several 1969 dealer ads announcing the availability of 427 Camaros.   Guess the secret got out at some point.

Except for the COPOS, the *factory* did NOT install 427's in Camaros.   Dealerships DID swap engines and install 'non-factory' engines for high performance customers.. such as Baldwin Motion which was well known and displayed in many high perf magazines of the day!
Gary W / 09C 69Z28-RS, 72 B 720 cowl console rosewood tint
69 Corvette convertible, silver/black 350 hp,
60 Corvette white/red, 72 Corvette coupe, '70 Mach I 
90 ZR1 red/red #246, 90 ZR1 white/gray #2466
72 El Camino, '55-'56-'57 Nomads, '55-'57 B/A Sedan

fsc66

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 197
    • View Profile
Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2019, 09:20:06 PM »
GM Heritage PDF has loads of info on the Z28 including power team, also has power team info on the L78 and mentions the L89.

Paul

BULLITT65

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4018
    • View Profile
Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2019, 09:25:18 PM »
Sorry I meant to say L89. which there were a few of those (311). But how well known was that option in relation to the others?
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

69Z28-RS

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5150
  • owner since 4-Apr-1976
    • View Profile
Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2019, 09:32:29 PM »
The L89 option was not a 427 option, but instead was an option for 'aluminum heads', which work fine on 396 (L78 engines) and while I've never seen one myself, I understand there are original '69 Camaros carrying those from the factory on 396 engines!
Gary W / 09C 69Z28-RS, 72 B 720 cowl console rosewood tint
69 Corvette convertible, silver/black 350 hp,
60 Corvette white/red, 72 Corvette coupe, '70 Mach I 
90 ZR1 red/red #246, 90 ZR1 white/gray #2466
72 El Camino, '55-'56-'57 Nomads, '55-'57 B/A Sedan

rlw68

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 38
    • View Profile
Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2019, 12:58:13 AM »
I've seen several 1969 dealer ads announcing the availability of 427 Camaros.   Guess the secret got out at some point.

Except for the COPOS, the *factory* did NOT install 427's in Camaros.   Dealerships DID swap engines and install 'non-factory' engines for high performance customers.. such as Baldwin Motion which was well known and displayed in many high perf magazines of the day!

I thought numerous dealerships ordered the COPO 9561 directly.  My assumption was they were advertising these.  Both ads are from ~April 69 and Lowe has a car on the sYc registry.




Rob
1969 02D Norwood Z/28. Lemans Blue 715

ZLP955

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1815
    • View Profile
Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2019, 02:21:36 PM »
GM Heritage PDF has loads of info on the Z28 including power team, also has power team info on the L78 and mentions the L89.
Paul
Not in the Power Team section of this one:
https://www.gmheritagecenter.com/docs/gm-heritage-archive/vehicle-information-kits/Camaro/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro.pdf
Tim in Australia.
1969 04A Van Nuys Z/28. Cortez Silver, Dark Blue interior, VE3 bumper, Z21, Z23, D55/U17, D80, flat hood.
Sold at Clippinger Chevrolet in Covina, CA. Ex-Racer at Lions Dragstrip in Long Beach.

67jeffreyt

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 190
    • View Profile
Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2019, 03:10:42 AM »
I love the information, I was born in 71 and missed all the old high performance, verses smog dog 80s.  To have seen all this firsthand would have been great, but at the time probably seemed mundane and not seem like it's future would become so rare.
67 ss/rs camaro currently
68 prostreet Camaro 9.60 1/4 mile
68 Rallysport, first car high school
89 rs camaro convertible, made readers rides super Chevy

fsc66

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 197
    • View Profile
Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2019, 05:03:29 AM »
Power team info in GM Heritage PDF that Tim posted the link for. Z28 loaded with details including power team info pages: 92-113. Power team info for L78, L89 and again Z28 on page: 179

Paul Winvoices

ZLP955

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1815
    • View Profile
Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2019, 08:28:32 AM »
My point was that the details of those engines are not included in the main list of power team combinations in the literature, they are buried in the supplementary scanned pages towards the end of that PDF document. Same applies to the list of engines shown in the sales brochures, not even listed in contemporary documents under 'Extra Cost Engines' in the 1969 Camaro Power Teams chart.
Tim in Australia.
1969 04A Van Nuys Z/28. Cortez Silver, Dark Blue interior, VE3 bumper, Z21, Z23, D55/U17, D80, flat hood.
Sold at Clippinger Chevrolet in Covina, CA. Ex-Racer at Lions Dragstrip in Long Beach.

z28z11

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1386
    • View Profile
Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2019, 02:16:57 AM »
The L89 option was not a 427 option, but instead was an option for 'aluminum heads', which work fine on 396 (L78 engines) and while I've never seen one myself, I understand there are original '69 Camaros carrying those from the factory on 396 engines!

Gary,

I've seen 2 in the flesh, corresponded with an owner of a 3rd. in the Northwest with a documented L89 coupe years back. I guess that makes me able to claim I've known of about 1% of the L89 Camaros produced in '69 -lol.

Regards,
Steve
1968 Z28 M21/U17 BRG/W
1969 Z28 X77/M20/VE3 LeMans/W
1969 L78 X66/N66 Cortez/BVT
1969 Z11 L48/M35/C60/C06

69Z28-RS

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5150
  • owner since 4-Apr-1976
    • View Profile
Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2019, 03:10:39 AM »
While I'm not a big block fan, if one is going to have one....  aluminum heads address a couple of the problems with them..  :)

PS.  I walk right by big block anything....  so maybe I've been within *sight* of one or more, but didn't *SEE* it..  :)
Gary W / 09C 69Z28-RS, 72 B 720 cowl console rosewood tint
69 Corvette convertible, silver/black 350 hp,
60 Corvette white/red, 72 Corvette coupe, '70 Mach I 
90 ZR1 red/red #246, 90 ZR1 white/gray #2466
72 El Camino, '55-'56-'57 Nomads, '55-'57 B/A Sedan

sixt9x33rs

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 952
    • View Profile
Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2019, 11:02:23 PM »
It is not known how availability of COPOs 9560, 9561 & 9737 was communicated throughout the dealer network. Legend has it they were supposed to be exclusive to their respective dealerships, Gibb Chevrolet and Yenko Chevrolet. But Berger Chevrolet learned of them early on and initially ordered one of each. Their ZL1 [body # 211785] was actually ordered prior to Gibbs' 50 car order.

What a great list of cars to chose from. Man, several 4:56 geared cars. So cool

I've seen several 1969 dealer ads announcing the availability of 427 Camaros.   Guess the secret got out at some point.


It is not known how availability of COPOs 9560, 9561 & 9737 was communicated throughout the dealer network. Legend has it they were supposed to be exclusive to their respective dealerships, Gibb Chevrolet and Yenko Chevrolet. But Berger Chevrolet learned of them early on and initially ordered one of each. Their ZL1 [body # 211785] was actually ordered prior to Gibbs' 50 car order.

I've seen several 1969 dealer ads announcing the availability of 427 Camaros.   Guess the secret got out at some point.


'69 RS Z/28 65B, 711 Flat hood no spoiler, endura, 4:10 43K miles
69 X77 Z/28 69 69 711 Original Paint Unrestored (Sold)
'69 X66 Convertible 69B 712 auto, (Sold) 44K miles

rlw68

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 38
    • View Profile
Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2019, 04:12:43 AM »
Quote from: sixt9x33rs

What a great list of cars to chose from. Man, several 4:56 geared cars. So cool


You could have bought all six Z/28's then for just under $25K ...  tax, title, and tags out the door   8)
Rob
1969 02D Norwood Z/28. Lemans Blue 715

69Z28-RS

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5150
  • owner since 4-Apr-1976
    • View Profile
Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2019, 01:02:03 PM »
Quote from: sixt9x33rs

What a great list of cars to chose from. Man, several 4:56 geared cars. So cool

You could have bought all six Z/28's then for just under $25K ...  tax, title, and tags out the door   8)

...but... at that time, 25K was more than 2 years pay for the typical middle class worker!  :)
« Last Edit: February 18, 2019, 02:48:53 PM by 69Z28-RS »
Gary W / 09C 69Z28-RS, 72 B 720 cowl console rosewood tint
69 Corvette convertible, silver/black 350 hp,
60 Corvette white/red, 72 Corvette coupe, '70 Mach I 
90 ZR1 red/red #246, 90 ZR1 white/gray #2466
72 El Camino, '55-'56-'57 Nomads, '55-'57 B/A Sedan

jdv69z

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1161
  • 69 RS Z/28 52E
    • View Profile
Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2019, 01:48:05 PM »

Chevrolet deliberately avoided listing either 427 engine in build records. ZL1 & L72 COPO vehicle build records list the L78 engine making the official published option total of 4,889 incorrect. There were 69 ZL1s, 997 L72s and 3,823 L78s.

L88 and ZL1 engines were Corvette options. Those cars are not considered COPOs.

How did the number of COPO's built get determined? I've never seen that info, and am curious.
Jimmy V.