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Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2019, 03:54:18 PM »
I'm assuming it came from the Len Williamson book as William stated.

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Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2019, 04:46:05 PM »
L72 COPO production was buried in the Tailfins & Bowties data. The data was obtained directly from Chevrolet in the ‘80s and reprinted in the book Tailfins and Bowties. All of the oft-repeated ’69 Camaro production numbers-3,675 Z11s, 20,302 Z/28s-came from this data.

The data lists 1969 Camaro production by engine size; 230, 250, 327 et cetera. No 427 engine is listed but the figures total 243,085, same as 1969 production. COPO 9560 [ZL1] & 9561 [L72] build records always list L78 for some reason but not Z27 [Camaro SS].

Ergo, both COPO 427 options are included in the L78 totals.

The L48 [300/350] was the standard Camaro SS engine; 22,339 built. Camaro SS optional 396 engines; 13,659 built. Data shows 34,932 Camaro SS produced. Adding L48 and 396 totals, 22,339 + 13,659 = 35,998.

That’s 1,066 more than Camaro SS.

There were 69 COPO 9560 Camaros built; 1,066 – 69 = 997 COPO 9561 cars. Tonawanda engine production records have been known for decades. 822 MN and 193 MO; 1,015 L72 Camaro 427 engines.

That means the L78 total of 4,889 is inflated. Actual L78 production would be 3,823.

Just for the record, L89 was not an engine option. It was an aluminum cylinder head option that required ordering the L78 engine. Factory docs for those cars always list both. The L78 total includes the 311 L89 cars.
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Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2019, 11:52:29 PM »
Dealer ad for '69 ZL-1 Camaro    ;)

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Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« Reply #33 on: March 23, 2019, 04:41:26 AM »
No price listed for the ZL-1 Camaro!  :)    Does anyone know?

IIRC Getting the ZL-1 engine in a '69 Corvette was a $3000 option price (the base car wasn't a huge lot more than that)..
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Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« Reply #34 on: March 23, 2019, 04:50:05 AM »
No price listed for the ZL-1 Camaro!  :)    Does anyone know?
IIRC Getting the ZL-1 engine in a '69 Corvette was a $3000 option price (the base car wasn't a huge lot more than that)..
Stickered at over $7,300 according to http://www.camaros.org/copo.shtml
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Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« Reply #35 on: March 23, 2019, 01:12:07 PM »
COPO 9560 initially [#1 & #2] had an MSRP of $4,160.50. Later units were priced at $4,160.15. 9560 required an optional transmission, power front disc brakes and F70 x 14 RWL tires.  One ZL1 does not list the tires.

The ZL1 aluminum block was a Corvette option and priced differently; it required ordering the L88 at extra cost.
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Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« Reply #36 on: March 23, 2019, 02:08:34 PM »
OK...  rather than relying on my old memory ($3000 ZL1 option  I read in a car mag many years ago!).. I consulted my Corvette black book:

           1969 Corvette Coupe                   $4781    (Convertible $4438)
ZL1      Special L88 (aluminum block)       $4718    (included required K66, F41, J56, AND G81

So how much of the $4718 came from K66 (TI Ign - $81.10), F41 (Special F/R susp  $36.90), J56 (special HD brakes $384.45), and G81 (Posi rear axle $46.35).  These items contributed  $548.80 to the ZL1 retail price listed, still leaving $4169 as the extra cost of the engine itself (above the standard 350 ci engine!).

Note:   The option price of the L88 option was *only* $1032, so just adding the 'aluminum block' was 4169-1032 = $3137!    So maybe that's where that old magazine got the 'over $3000 option price!??).

Antonick's 'Camaro White Book' states that the additional cost for the sixty nine COPO 9560 with aluminum block 427 was $4160.  Camaro Sport Coupe V8 was retailed at $2727.

Needless to say, getting the aluminum 427 L88 engine in anything was EXPENSIVE...  :)    and only available if you knew to ask for it!   (Only two '69 Corvettes were sold with the ZL1 engine).
       

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Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« Reply #37 on: March 23, 2019, 04:09:51 PM »
I found it interesting from the Lustine ad that it listed the ZL1's with 625 horses and that only 84 were built nationally.  I wonder where these figures came from.  69 ZL1's is pretty definite I guess from everything I have ever read.  I bet the 625 horses is a lot closer to real gross hp than factories claim of 425. 

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Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2019, 09:07:41 PM »
625 hp is nonsense.

Back in the day we worked with Bill Porterfield. He built a 'restoration' ZL1 engine and dyno tested it in various configurations. As installed with production exhaust and AIR system, 375 hp. With a good tune up and open headers, 523 hp. With modern thin piston rings and racing oil today they can produce 550 hp.

http://www.camaros.org/copo.shtml

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Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2019, 08:27:59 PM »
Thanks for the clarification William and the link.

 

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