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Re: Factory Production 69 Camaro JL8 L-78?
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2018, 04:59:55 PM »
I bought my first '69 Z/28 July 1975. Virtually every '69 Z I looked at was already messed with. Rarely saw one with the original 302 even in those days. The car I bought was decent but had a 307. I swapped in a 350.

A good friend still has the '69 Z/28 he bought in '72. 4 years old and already had a 350, 10 bolt axle and a couple of repaints.

What's it like 50 years later?
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Re: Factory Production 69 Camaro JL8 L-78?
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2018, 05:41:09 PM »
Yes, most Z28's got their engines replaced (and sometimes trans and rears) very early in their life; oftentimes because young drivers not familiar with what happened when you over-extended the rpms on a solid lifter engine!

I had several friends with Z28s in the '69-72 time frame while I was in the USAF (I spent all my free time in the base hobby shop working on my cars - '60 Chevrolet Impala, then a new '70 RR, and during the '71-72 timeframe I bought a solid Henry J body and put first a 283 /PG combo in it, and then in '72 due to the influence of my buddy z28 racers, I bought a '67 302 from a '67 Z drag car and installed that along with Muncie M21 in the Henry J)...  During that time, one of my friends with an orange/white '69 z28 went thru several different rear gear sets trying to beat the local street racers.. from the 3.73 to a 4.11, then to 4.56, 4.88, and finally 5.38 gears!).. :)   The fast fella in the area at that time worked in the local speed shop and had a '70 Nova 396/L78, 4speed that was drastically enhanced!).. :)

After I was discharged in '72 and completed my engineering degree in '74, I bought a marina blue/white '68 Z28 as my play car ( no significant options but had the original drivetrain which ran like a scalded dog!).   Two years later I traded that to a policeman who had just purchased the '69 I own now.   The '69 had all original components as well but the engine needed a rebuild; the advantage to me wtih the '69 was that it had many and some unusual options which I considered a step up in collector value over the 'base '68).   I rebuilt the engine, and drove the car for 4 yrs before garaging it for a 'some year' restoration, which I later decided would have been a mistake due to the originality of the car!

Anyway, William is correct about *most* Z28's even in the early/mid '70's having their mechanicals 'long gone'; most of the Z28s advertised for sale during those years were also 'in name only' (ie. had the badges but not the bones).
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Re: Factory Production 69 Camaro JL8 L-78?
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2018, 10:39:40 PM »
Year ago I got a call from a kid in Detroit about some parts I had for sale.
He asked where to get rotors. Anywhere. But these are the larger rotors. Yup, JL8. Prior owner pulled the axle and the 302. Was candy apple red, if it's still around....
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Re: Factory Production 69 Camaro JL8 L-78?
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2018, 11:02:51 PM »
Know of 2 302's that went into other cars in the early 70's. One with a spun bearing in 1972 into a 55 chevy for a running 327. Bought my first car, 57 Nomad, in spring of 73. Guy I bought it from just bought a 69 Z. 302 gone, replace with 327. I don't think it took long at all for these cars to stray from originality.
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Re: Factory Production 69 Camaro JL8 L-78?
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2018, 11:53:44 PM »
Yes many were modified early. About 1975 my dad and uncle went to look at a Hugger Orange 69 Z with parchment interior in KC. My uncle lived in the suburbs, we lived several hours away. Car was pretty original with the original engine and original axle. Trans was assumed original but partial VIN was not checked. Engine had a moderate knock, so not driveable for any distance. Car was in a bad part of town and the lady owner was a “dancer”.  Dad tried to get the deal done on a Saturday, was told to come back the next day to talk with the boyfriend. My uncle wouldn’t take my dad back, and he had seen combat in the army. So that’s a hint as to how rough the area was. I don’t think dad ever forgave my uncle for not taking him back to buy the car.

Engine and transmission swaps were common. Axle swaps, not as much. If a car does not have its original 12 bolt axle it may have been wrecked. 
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Re: Factory Production 69 Camaro JL8 L-78?
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2018, 11:57:41 PM »
MOST of the 302 engine removals were because the engines were blown up, and the rebuilding expense was so great the owner just purchased another V8 and installed it. 
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Re: Factory Production 69 Camaro JL8 L-78?
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2018, 01:29:02 AM »
No argument there. But the little 302s were harder to blow up, compared to a big block.
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« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2018, 03:20:29 AM »
I disagree on that; *most Chevy engines* (whether small or large) that are 'blown up' are solid lifter engines that are OVER-revved (usually by inexpert drivers that are unfamiliar with solid lifter engines).
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Re: Factory Production 69 Camaro JL8 L-78?
« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2018, 12:28:59 PM »
I disagree on that; *most Chevy engines* (whether small or large) that are 'blown up' are solid lifter engines that are OVER-revved (usually by inexpert drivers that are unfamiliar with solid lifter engines).
Not to mention, the taller the gears, the shorter times between shifting. My car has 4.56 gears & that was different from previous cars I had with 3.07 or 3.31. Took a little getting used to. My engine was gone before it had 43k....Joe
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Re: Factory Production 69 Camaro JL8 L-78?
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2018, 03:44:28 PM »
Right in that 1976 timeframe I went to look at a Z-28, engine out up side down on the carport floor with a bad crank. Car was silver, black stripes, radio delete with 30,000 miles showing. Had a few scuffs wasn't a garage queen, passed on it at $1400.00. Like to have that opportunity again.

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Re: Factory Production 69 Camaro JL8 L-78?
« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2018, 08:53:16 PM »
I remember being in Reno walking along Virginia St.  This would have been probably in the late 1970's.  There was a Jeep (Wrangler style) stopped at a stoplight.  On the side right in front of the passenger side door it had a Z/28 emblem and a 302 emblem too.  I assumed that with those it really had a Z/28 302 under the hood.  I have thought since what a waste of a 302. 

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Re: Factory Production 69 Camaro JL8 L-78?
« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2018, 08:58:42 PM »
I disagree on that; *most Chevy engines* (whether small or large) that are 'blown up' are solid lifter engines that are OVER-revved (usually by inexpert drivers that are unfamiliar with solid lifter engines).

You just want to argue. :)

Go check on that possible JL8 car! :)
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Re: Factory Production 69 Camaro JL8 L-78?
« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2018, 10:04:54 PM »
Good information but since my original post was on JL8 cars can we stick with that. Gary It be great to see if the guy with the JL8 car will let you get pictures. Vince
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Re: Factory Production 69 Camaro JL8 L-78?
« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2018, 11:06:37 PM »
I've tried several times since I relocated him a few years ago; tried looking for him many times over the years since 1978 until I finally found out where he worked a handful of years ago!   I did talk briefly to him at that time, but he was busy on his house.  I called both his cell and his home phone yesterday and left messages.   I may BUG him at his work number tomorrow!  :)

He was 18 and just graduating from HS when he bought the car; was heading to Auburn to study engineering.  Now he's working for a company here in town and 40 yrs older!  :)   It seems he's not very involved in 'cars' right now.. but I WILL keep trying ...  I didn't want to show up his door but I might even try that!  :)

If he wanted to sell it (not likely after having it for 40 yrs), but if he did... I'd probably buy it.. (even though I hate big heavy engines!)... :)   He may be doing what I planned...  waiting to restore it after retirement...?
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Re: Factory Production 69 Camaro JL8 L-78?
« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2018, 11:37:26 PM »
Gary you'er only 70, out live him and buy it from this kids :)
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