interesting but rough...

[william]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Camaro-2dr-Coupe-Z28/202528283274?hash=item2f27a05a8a:g:Du4AAOSw6X1cCiim:rk:2:pf:0&vxp=mtr

Has the very rare 6500/8000 tach/fuel gauge and the axle is still there. But short of getting it for much less than the BIN, probably too rough to build.

[ko-lek-tor]

Funny, Bill, just got finished sharing the same sentiments with a friend.

Intrigued me being within last 1500 cars made. Which got me wondering, I wonder if that car was made without ZL2 because inventory was depleted? May never know? Obviously the car has been through the usual Camaro butcher mill over its life.

[william]

A friend bought Z/28 N711509 new, same deal. U16, standard hood, X77. Maybe out of parts.

[69Z28-RS]

I'm curious why you guys are questioning the car not having the ZL2 hood??   As we've discussed over the years, 'factory installed' ZL2 was VERY rare even on Z28s!    What is there about this car that makes you think it *should* have the ZL2??
 

[william]

For the same reason. I worked in automotive supply chain and the last thing you want is obsolete production inventory at the end of a MY. Some of it can be more work than it is worth to move into service stock and gets scrapped.

I wouldn't be surprised if Chevy notified dealers during October that ZL2 stock had been exhausted and orders specifying it would be cancelled or built without. That type of notification was common for certain interior trim near the end of a MY. ZL2 had more parts than you might be aware of.

[69Z28-RS]

Are you saying that Chevy may have installed ZL2 hoods on late production camaros (even if not ordered?) simply to trim down the inventory??   Are there documented examples of this happening?

[BULLITT65]

Well even though it is rough, it is the right color, 52 52 Garnet red....

Someone will purchase this dream.

My question is what's with the different stripe layout on the deck lid, (where the spoiler would have been)?

A repaint, and they laid down the stripes more narrow?

[Kelley W King]

I was ordering myself a new Silverado a while back (2018) and really wanted the mid size bed 6.5 ft. because that was what my other one had which is a kind of rare option. They made the order but later came back and said no more were being built for 2018 models. The 2019,s are not the same.

[william]

Are you saying that Chevy may have installed ZL2 hoods on late production camaros (even if not ordered?) simply to trim down the inventory??   Are there documented examples of this happening?

No. Every car was built as ordered by the dealer unless certain equipment was no longer available. I ordered a 1981 Citation with swing-out rear windows and it arrived w/o as the option had been cancelled after the order was placed.
Hard to believe, but Chrysler once built cars on spec and stored them until a dealer agreed to take it, once reason they went bust.

[BULLITT65]

I don't know to many guys who would admit to owning a citation let alone ordering one...
(My Nana bought one new, after owning a 69 skylark GS, 65 impala SS 4 speed, and a 56 bel air hardtop. Guess which one I got stuck with....lol

[bcmiller]

I was ordering myself a new Silverado a while back (2018) and really wanted the mid size bed 6.5 ft. because that was what my other one had which is a kind of rare option. They made the order but later came back and said no more were being built for 2018 models. The 2019,s are not the same.

Check around, they are out there. I could have had one as a loaner, but instead got one with a regular bed with 30 miles on it (2018) as a loaner.  This was last month when they were repairing a bent push rod and a sticking lifter in my truck.

[69Z28-RS]

Well even though it is rough, it is the right color, 52 52 Garnet red....

Someone will purchase this dream.

My question is what's with the different stripe layout on the deck lid, (where the spoiler would have been)?

A repaint, and they laid down the stripes more narrow?

That seems obvious, doesn't it Austin? 

[69Z28-RS]

Are you saying that Chevy may have installed ZL2 hoods on late production camaros (even if not ordered?) simply to trim down the inventory??   Are there documented examples of this happening?

No. Every car was built as ordered by the dealer unless certain equipment was no longer available. I ordered a 1981 Citation with swing-out rear windows and it arrived w/o as the option had been cancelled after the order was placed.
Hard to believe, but Chrysler once built cars on spec and stored them until a dealer agreed to take it, once reason they went bust.

Actually, I think probably every manufacturer has done that at one time or another..  to prevent big changes to their production levels.   In fact, I recall a number of years ago when even the Bowling Green corvette plant was stacking up Corvettes in their 'yard' because orders weren't keeping up with their production.   And I've seen news articles with photos of large lots filled with cars from other plants and manufacturers when demand slowed beyond the manufacturer's projections.   These situations generally lead to 'special incentives', or price reductions.

[69Z28-RS]

I don't know to many guys who would admit to owning a citation let alone ordering one...
(My Nana bought one new, after owning a 69 skylark GS, 65 impala SS 4 speed, and a 56 bel air hardtop. Guess which one I got stuck with....lol

Actually the special model (Z/11?)  Note:  It was an 'X-11'  and it wasn't a bad car .... given the times and options...   

[william]

I had the Citation '81-'87 and put 100k on it. Had a few repairs but not much. My '85 Pontiac 6000STE, another story. Worst car I ever owned.

I believe several manufacturers do at least some build-to-stock. With limited color/trim selection and no more discrete options, not that risky. At one time Kia did that; a dealer told me they got whatever was sent. 

[z28z11]

I don't know to many guys who would admit to owning a citation let alone ordering one...

I had a black '80 as a company vehicle, grey cloth interior. I think it was my first front wheel drive car, to be exact. Preceded by a '78 Malibu, followed by an '83 Caprice. First V6 I ever drove, as well.

Regards,
Steve

[BULLITT65]

My Nana had more repairs in that car, than the previous 3 combined. I got the car with 60k, it did not make it past 100k. Broken motor mounts dragging exaust. It had the v6, but what a dog iMO. It got donated

[69Z28-RS]

My Nana had more repairs in that car, than the previous 3 combined. I got the car with 60k, it did not make it past 100k. Broken motor mounts dragging exaust. It had the v6, but what a dog iMO. It got donated

Every car needs a little maintenance, Austin....    broken motor mounts?  replace them!~   dragging exhaust?  FIX IT...   sometimes when one gets something for *FREE* ...  they tend not to appreciate it..

[BULLITT65]

Ah no. Maintaining the car was like having a rolling restoration Project. Except at the end of day it was a citation, not a Camaro or something you could take pride in. I got the car around 96. There is a reason there were no others on the road. I assure you it was not a matter of  keeping up on the maintenance, lol

[JKZ27]

I had the Citation '81-'87 and put 100k on it. Had a few repairs but not much. My '85 Pontiac 6000STE, another story. Worst car I ever owned. 

My mother had an 81 Citation, I always thought the X11 was a cool looking car with the ZL2-like hood. I'd own one w/V6 manual trans today as a driver.
The 6000STE, didn't that car have approximately 1.2 million buttons between the steering wheel and the dash? Sorry this went way off topic.

[william]

Sold for the BIN.

[bcmiller]

I think the car was maybe worth the BIN price. Hard to tell for sure though just based on the pics. Rust did not seem to be that bad. Projects like this are getting harder to find.

 If it would have been Lemans Blue, it would not have lasted 6 hours.

[BULLITT65]

So you were a buyer of it was Lemans blue?

[bcmiller]

Possibly. Not looking for a 69 at the moment.

I could have bought a Lemans Blue 69 Z a while back for $10k. Non original drivetrain but it had a big block and was a driver. Needed much of the interior, inner fenders, some rust repair. I passed and it sold the next day.

There are no bad colors in 69, in my opinion, but some are more desirable than others.

[BULLITT65]

K. I was thinking being originally red helped the sale. Other than black maybe *, I'm don't think another color would have had this car sell any quicker.

[bcmiller]

That’s fine. I have only owned 2 red cars and would never own another one.

[X33RS]

My question is what's with the different stripe layout on the deck lid, (where the spoiler would have been)?

A repaint, and they laid down the stripes more narrow?

Looks to me that this possibly wasn't a spoiler car since it has original stripes out to the edge of the decklid under the spoiler, and spoiler was added later during a repaint with incorrect stripe placement.  Kind of funny they still can't get the stripes right even with an example sitting right in front of them, lol.

[Gramps69Z]

It's a D80 car.

[william]

D80 was included with Z/28 equipment as of early April 1969.

[X33RS]

Correct, but it was mentioned earlier in this thread that by this late in production specific items were running low in inventory.   The spoiler and the way the paint appears is just an observation on my part and I'm in no way insinuating with 100% certainty that's how the car was equipped.

 Just seems strange the way the car appears in the pics,  the stripes under the spoiler are correct for a non spoiler car, yet a spoiler was on the car during a repaint at some point in it's life and stripes painted incorrectly, and yet had D80 on the data plate.  Technically there shouldn't be stripe paint under that spoiler on a real D80 car.

[69Z28-RS]

That car could have gone thru 5 or more 'configurations/paints'.. in it's lifetime... 

[X33RS]

Possibly, but we can only comment and speculate on what we see in the picture.  A repaint with spoiler removed seems a little out of the ordinary though, considering everyone under the sun adds a spoiler to these darn things, lol.