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68 Camaro SS396 Blackout Tailpan
« on: November 05, 2018, 03:43:49 AM »
Would someone be able to post pictures of a 68 Camaro SS396 blackout tailpan?  My body guy is asking several questions concerning it, and I thought pictures would help.  We want to make sure the correct areas are painted black.  The car does have a spoiler, and we also wonder if the back of it is black?  Any help is greatly appreciated!!

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Re: 68 Camaro SS396 Blackout Tailpan
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2018, 03:53:23 AM »
Google 'camaro tail panel black' images and lots of pics show up.
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2018, 04:45:59 PM »
Thanks, Kurt.  I did that and several versions showed up, I was hoping to find out how it would have come from the factory.

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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2018, 07:01:51 PM »
There are lots of pictures out there but not all are correct. The gloss is supposed to be about 80% gloss black according to Jerry M. Also there is a special way the black is painted on the upper part of the tail panel that is under the trunk lid. The trunk picture of the car at this web site is pretty much correct. https://www.saratogaautoauction.org/vehicles/533/1968-chevrolet-camaro-rs-ss396. There are other examples as well. There is an original 1968 396 L78 car under the forum "Original Cars" section. You may want to send him a PM and ask for some pictures of the trunk area showing the black out tail panel and how it is painted. Also, there are other posts on the FORUM - just search for "black tail panel". When I was doing my 1968 SS 396 I gathered lots of pictures and examples from the web.  I always looked for the correct paint pattern on that upper tail panel that is under the trunk lid when closed. I know there are other folks on this FORUM that are very informed on this subject so I hope they will be reading your post and chiming in for you. I hope this helps.
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Re: 68 Camaro SS396 Blackout Tailpan
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2018, 07:26:33 PM »
There is one more resource that comes to mind and that is Lucas Restorations. These guys know Camaros and they were very helpful to me when I had a few detail questions during my restoration. Google " Lucas Restorations", go to the web site and look at the photos of his 1968 396 L78 Camaro. It was awarded concours certification at NCRS. Send them an email asking for a few pictures of the trunk and tail panel of his ss 396 showing how to paint it. I bet he will help you.
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2018, 03:17:05 AM »
Thank you, Allen.  I will contact them and hopefully get some detailed information.

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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2018, 02:10:48 PM »
A google image search of the whole WWW is not going to be very helpful.
Over the years, there have been plenty of examples of original paint documented cars posted here, on TC, and on Yenkonet.
I would search those sites for BB original paint cars.
Here is one of those examples. This is an original documented car. Picture by a renowned collector and frequent contributor to these sites.




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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2018, 04:43:26 PM »
My 69 is sort of like that. Both sides are different. The diag is up on the trunk lid bumper rest. Another note. I've looked at several these cars over the years & there are a lot of differences. One car I just looked at, the line is real choppy around the tail light area. 11,998 original mile. Never messed with.
Maybe some here have info on how this process was done...Joe
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Re: 68 Camaro SS396 Blackout Tailpan
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2018, 05:06:10 PM »
These were hand masked, so not every car is going to be the same. 

There are different opinions on the percent of gloss.  I used what I would call a satin black on my car.
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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2018, 02:25:44 PM »
Same car as mentioned above. Low mile very orig. car.

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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2018, 02:35:26 PM »
Here are more pics I took a few months ago of a friends survivor cars. Different years but shown to give you a idea of the gloss level.

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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2018, 02:36:25 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2018, 02:37:29 PM »
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2018, 02:57:25 AM »
A really nice collection of BB tailpanel shots.
Some variance probably due to how they've been treated over the years. Notice how crisp the reflection is in the spoiler/decklid paint.
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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2018, 04:00:17 PM »
Not a great pic, but this is probably the first SS 396 Camaro.  Tailpan looks pretty satin to me, I do not see much shine.  It is a late 1966 pic, so it has not been waxed and polished over the years.
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Re: 68 Camaro SS396 Blackout Tailpan
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2018, 04:40:28 PM »
All the illumination is from Overhead in Bryon's photo, so that is a big reason you're not seeing any sheen from the tail pan...
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« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2018, 04:51:03 PM »
Possibly. But look at the quarter panel. :)
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« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2018, 05:24:15 PM »
Are we REALLY going to start this again???

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« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2018, 05:29:01 PM »
I removed my post.  Had a relapse for a moment and then realized I do not want to be apart of the dead horse beating again.

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« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2018, 05:57:41 PM »
So far it’s been a civil discussion. Let’s keep it that way.
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« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2018, 07:01:38 PM »
For the record my post was civil and only a photo.   But the point (and I assume Ed's point) is this will never have a definite resolution.  I agree with others in the past; depending on the time of year and the applicator the "sheen" will differ from car to car.  Also am I correct in assuming that photo you posted is from an auto show of some sort or dealership floor?

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« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2018, 07:55:47 PM »
December 1966 auto show.

It’s not full gloss - otherwise the sheen on the rest of the car would vary during the year too. I am not buying that thinking. Production line temperatures could not have varied by much.
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« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2018, 07:58:56 PM »
Wouldn't the car then have "show paint" not really a fair comparison to standard everyday production paint jobs.?.

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« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2018, 08:00:31 PM »
We don’t know if it had show paint - and I only posted to see what the tailpan shows on a new car back in the day.
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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2018, 12:31:57 AM »
Less than a month old.  April 68


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« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2018, 01:07:04 AM »
 Wilburrrr............. it may be an old topic, but still worth discussing  :)
Remember this thread and my reply #24.
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=16070.msg144790#msg144790

 The covered blackout on the 04B LOS seen first light the day of these photos. Looks semi-gloss. But maybe LOS used different gloss than NOR.

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« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2018, 03:28:04 AM »
I recall JohnZ stating that there were only 2 blacks in the main paint booth. Gloss and less gloss.
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« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2018, 03:58:35 AM »
Kurt yes I agree. I have his old post from TC stored somewhere on my laptop. I need to find that.
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« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2018, 04:11:35 AM »
At that time bodies were being painted in lacquer. So is it possible they were painted with regular lacquer paint but with little prep time or skill, because so few cars were getting this treatment, and that is the reason for the variation? They obviously were not buffed. Does anyone know where on the line were the black panels painted?
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« Reply #29 on: November 29, 2018, 01:01:29 PM »
It's in JohnZ's research report article on first gen assembly process, under Fisher Body - Paint Shop Operations section, next to last paragraph.

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« Reply #31 on: November 29, 2018, 02:06:38 PM »
 I've always liked that picture of the paint shop. It tells me that the tail panel and also the rocker blackouts (car in background) likely used the same gloss black.
  I hope there was some sort of down or updraft for the overspray!

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« Reply #32 on: November 29, 2018, 05:32:49 PM »
Kurt yes I agree. I have his old post from TC stored somewhere on my laptop. I need to find that.

I found the thread. And I had even thanked John for posting the information.
https://www.camaros.net/forums/34-restoration-corner/357234-68-camaro-inspection-paint-color-locations.html

Most folks aren't aware that there was only ONE black prime "flow-coat" paint system on the Chevrolet side of the plant, and every steel part that came into the Chevrolet plant raw and needed paint went through that 7-stage hot cleaning and phosphate system and got black lacquer primer. That included everything from engine accessory drive brackets to wheels, hoods, fenders, header panels, inner fenders, radiator support, center grille and hood latch support, lower valance panel, and dozens of smaller parts; larger parts were hung on dedicated hooks, smaller parts were painted in baskets.

All were what I'd call semi-flat or satin, about 30% gloss. Any underhood part that was semi-gloss or full gloss (like the heater blower case) came that way from its supplier - the plant had no facilities for higher gloss black painting of loose parts.


This could be the paint used for the blackout on the rockers and tailpan.

When a now deceased buddy of mine repainted the back tailpan on my car we used what I would call a satin black.  Hot Rod Black, described as "Pre-Flattened Low-Gloss Color". We used that because it was the closest thing my buddy - who was a body shop painter for about 50 years - remember the color to be on original cars back in the day. Believe it or not.

30 percent gloss is what I am going with and there are some documents that suggest the same number.
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« Reply #33 on: November 29, 2018, 08:58:56 PM »
Would the black paint/glosses used on the Chevrolet side necessarily mimic or have to exactly match what was used on the Fisher Body side?  Finish colors obviously must match down to the manufacturer batch number, but were the other paints also required to be standardized across both "sides of the wall", to include gloss levels? 

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« Reply #34 on: November 29, 2018, 09:33:33 PM »
Pete yes that is discussed in John’s assembly article. Same main paint both sides.

Blackout was done on the Fisher side.
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« Reply #35 on: November 30, 2018, 03:09:29 AM »
Pete yes that is discussed in John’s assembly article. Same main paint both sides.

Blackout was done on the Fisher side.

The lower part of the front fenders was also blacked out (on some cars)... done on Chevy side...
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« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2018, 07:23:49 PM »
Correct Gary. Makes sense since the whole front “doghouse” was from the Chevy side.
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« Reply #37 on: December 01, 2018, 12:21:30 AM »
Can the tape or mask lines be felt at the trunk area on original 396 cars?
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« Reply #38 on: December 01, 2018, 03:37:02 AM »
Can the tape or mask lines be felt at the trunk area on original 396 cars?
On the line that angles back into the trunk area (across the round flat trunk lid rubber bumper area), yes.
The tape line in the area that divides the rear panel from the quarter seam, you can feel an edge in some areas.

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« Reply #39 on: December 01, 2018, 12:52:43 PM »
Looking at the picture, it appears the tail panel that is being painted black is unmasked & the car is unpainted while the car in the background appears to be painted & masked ready for rockers to be painted. Any thoughts? ...Joe
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« Reply #40 on: December 01, 2018, 05:16:21 PM »
Not a great pic but the car being painted is masked in my opinion.
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« Reply #41 on: December 01, 2018, 05:59:10 PM »
I believe it is too, but there is no protection from overspray going into the trunk area or HIS lungs. Would the trunk have been painted at this point?
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« Reply #42 on: December 01, 2018, 07:07:35 PM »
Not unusual for them not using a respirator.

I don’t know any more about the picture so I can’t comment on any more details.
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« Reply #43 on: December 01, 2018, 07:46:47 PM »
Charley,the pictures of the green 68 low mileage car, is that one of the two 375hp cars that were ordered by two brothers from Alberta, Canada?If so,  I had a chance to buy one of the cars from a gentleman who bought one of the cars from the one brother.This was back in the late eighties and the car was for sale for $22000.00 Canadian.At that tme it had 28000 miles and he had just purchased some NOS tires from Carlisle.

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« Reply #44 on: December 02, 2018, 03:06:26 AM »
JohnZ posted info about the number of black paints on the Fisher side - just 2.
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« Reply #45 on: December 02, 2018, 12:11:59 PM »
I think this is the posting Kurt was referring to...Joe

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=5661.msg47856#msg47856
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« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2018, 02:20:42 AM »
Nice! Thanks!
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