Author Topic: Huggar Orange '69 Z/28 Low Miles (Read 9061 times)

dannystarr · « **on:** October 26, 2018, 04:33:24 AM »

This is for all the HO paint guys!! JUST found out this car was for sale. Car is about 30 minutes from me. Guy's name is Jeff. I met him a while back at a Cars & Coffee. He had Jerry M inspect it about 9 years ago. He really took the time to make this car right and correct just about EVERY issue Jerry noted. I am going down to see it hopefully Saturday. Danny

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-Z-28/232978695597?hash=item363e9cc5ad:g:LMAAAOSw~G9b0KXB:rk:2:pf:0&vxp=mtr

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 26, 2018, 07:27:24 AM »

I don't see it mentioned in Jerry's report, but shouldn't the car have white stripes?

dannystarr · « **Reply #2 on:** October 26, 2018, 09:52:52 AM »

Car HAS white stripes

... Danny

Kelley W King · « **Reply #3 on:** October 26, 2018, 11:32:33 AM »

Very nice set of docs. If you started with a complete basket case you would be deeper in than the asking price.

69Z28-RS · « **Reply #4 on:** October 26, 2018, 12:28:35 PM »

Good docs and nice car... I'd suspect the price is 'pretty close to fair'....?

william · « **Reply #5 on:** October 26, 2018, 12:54:31 PM »

Jerry's report [May 2009] makes no mention at all of an original window sticker.

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 26, 2018, 02:17:03 PM »

Sorry meant to say, shouldn't the car have black stripes?
Also I think the car has been listed before.

As far as price, if the stripes are the wrong color, than I think it is over priced because of the cost involved to get those correct.

I think for ebay the price may be high, but if in a different venue, like Barret Jackson, than I could see a sale price of 82k.

Kelley W King · « **Reply #7 on:** October 26, 2018, 03:31:15 PM »

Tell us Gary

KurtS · « **Reply #8 on:** October 26, 2018, 05:37:23 PM »

The window sticker is a repro.

dannystarr · « **Reply #9 on:** October 27, 2018, 10:38:53 PM »

Well I just got back from seeing this car. It is a very nice paint job done in 1992. It has been jammed, trunk [painted and stickers replaced and the cowl overspray duplicated in white out to the front edge of the cowl as stock. Trunk lock assembly showing original overspray. Looking down the sides it is near perfect. $1900 engine fresh-up receipt also in '92. Second gear blew and also at that time the trans was rebuilt. Under hood is very nice original. Embossed fuel pump, original htr. hoses. I found ONE pinch clamp that was rounded. No other issues that I could see. Fuel line not smooth and modern. Original hood stamped in the corner, looks like the # 19. Original paint on hinges, inner fenders, hood latches upper and lower assemblies. Engine fired RIGHT UP with one pump to the floor and jumped to 1800. Then a kick down to idle after a minute and runs good. ALL GM door fuzzies, trunk gasket, carpet and dash replaced in '92. Bought at the dealership. The dealership mentioned this was the end of the stuff for his car, so he also bought a left fender, JUST because it had a couple dings in it. Muffler is smashed in on the bottom pretty good. They must have ran over or backed over something. Gas tank was also replaced. Could have been from the same incident since they are so close to each other. The shocks are Koni and painted the color of the car. This is a really nice car that is ready to enjoy. Throw a set of E-70 Speedways on it and you are ready to go. Also looked at all the paper work. Note that he said he had the Window Sticker made and is and was not trying to pass it on as original. He tells everyone who calls. Won't take much less money than listed price, and frankly I can see why. That's my review. If I had the money and the room, I would buy it... Danny

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 28, 2018, 02:39:41 AM »

So to be correct you would need to redo the stripes in black, and have the rockers painted.

While it sounds like a gone through car as far the running gear goes, that paint work being incorrect would at least subtract 5k from the price in my eyes.
I would say 65-70k would be a more appropriate price range for this nice Z.

69Z28-RS · « **Reply #11 on:** October 28, 2018, 03:26:28 AM »

Was there documentation saying it should have BLACK stripes? I recall seeing several Orange Z28s with white stripes and black interior when they were new... so I don't think it's wrong unless the color is conflicting with documentation???

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 28, 2018, 03:37:46 AM »

Seems like this had been discussed prior. I thought you needed a white interior, or hounds tooth, to get white stripes? or did that just factor into vinyl top colors?
Way back when I had asked Jerry M. about a 69 Garnet red Z, (red interior)with white stripes, and he told me unless special ordered it would have black stripes. I figured the same would be true for hugger orange.

dannystarr · « **Reply #13 on:** October 28, 2018, 04:18:57 AM »

William mentioned to me stripes are good. It depends on vinyl top. So no subtraction. Couple other things.. No 3908326 valve at drivers frame rail. Radiator pet cock open wings facing the wrong way during rebuild changed to repro. Rad has metal tag. Jack dated correct, looks to be original spare. Underside in nice condition except muffler crunch. I am sure I missed some things, but as far as I can tell, this car needs NOTHING but tires for the full visual. You wanna get it judged than look for a dated gas tank and spiral shocks, and shoot a new deck lid without spoiler. LOW miles pulls in the extra scratch as far as I am concerned. It's 34,348 as of today! This car is STRAIGHT! I studied both sides and bent down slowly to follow the light and I saw NO flaws. VERY light flawing on a couple stripes. JUST like the factory did. He even paid $150 for a correct flat handle dip stick for a LOS car of this period. And remember, this is an original one of about 3,000 ZL2 hood cars and one of about 15% of Z/28's built at LOS plant. That's kinda cool in and of itself. There are plenty of cars online right now that we have no way of knowing if they even need engine/trans/rear axle work. He also just changed the oil. And air cleaner is original flat base with factory bend crinkles.

That's about all I can think of, I didn't take notes. He called Jerry M. and talked to him about this car, and Jerry remembered this exact car. Was hoping a member would purchase as it looks like it may be going to Australia. That's the only full price offer at this time... Danny

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 28, 2018, 04:32:27 AM »

Well if it goes to austrialia then it can join Tims 69Z that is also a LA car.

Did he have any pictures from when it was new? or back in the day?

(still needs the rockers painted at a minimum)

dannystarr · « **Reply #15 on:** October 28, 2018, 05:01:17 AM »

Forgot about the rockers paint. But just scuff it, tape it off and shoot both sides in one shot. Not a lot of labor, not a major paint matching thing and NO body work. Four hours labor and 60 bucks in material. Not enough of a devalue issue for me. Heck, the TIRES would cost more at $340 EACH!!.. His last car went to Australia, and he hated it. And was really hoping to keep it local, or at least in CA or the states if possible. Danny

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 28, 2018, 05:20:25 AM »

Why is he selling it, if he wants to keep it local?

dannystarr · « **Reply #17 on:** October 28, 2018, 10:13:19 AM »

I think what it boils down to is, he just would prefer if it stayed over here, that's all. His SS350 went overseas and he was bummed about it. Danny

KurtS · « **Reply #18 on:** October 29, 2018, 05:43:41 AM »

The documentation of the stripe color is via GM. It's not a secret....
http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#ExteriorColors:T:1969

bcmiller · « **Reply #19 on:** October 29, 2018, 07:40:49 PM »

Car is overpriced in my opinion, but exactly how much is up for debate. Seems like a nice car though.

A Hugger Orange Z28 without a vinyl top is supposed to have white stripes, so the stripes are correct.

Owner should have never bought a reproduction window sticker. It has enough other documentation and it has Jerry's report.

dannystarr · « **Reply #20 on:** October 30, 2018, 12:12:37 AM »

With all due respect, and I DO respect most people on these Camaro sites. If in your knowledgeable authoritative statement the car is over priced, ya can't leave it at that. How would you KNOW it's over priced if you don't have the knowledge to price it correctly? If it's up for debate, who's going to run the debate? The person that said it's over priced.. RIGHT? What say you, the price should be...? And you can't say you can't price it without seeing it, cause ya just UNDER priced it. I would love to get it for 65K, maybe even $72. Is that top dollar? I don't have the knowledge to say. Not to many ORIGINAL 34 thousand mile cars out there with fold down rear seat, ESPECIALLY Z/28's. Just 15 to 18 years ago you could buy '69 Z/28's all day for 35K. They have doubled, and might climb another branch soon.
As far as window stickers, I have wanted to order one for each of my cars for a while now. And when I get a chance to do it, it will happen. I have MCACN judging on BOTH cars, and a Jerry M cert for one. And the next time Jerry comes to Northern CA I will be glad to have him cert the new car. I think the stickers are fun to have and display. Just adds that extra fun visual. I know MANY people on these sites and I see at car shows with repro window stickers. Chick has his for his Butternut Yellow '68 Z/28, and I am sure it will be in the side window in 19 days at the MCACN show. I will have the guy that makes the stickers to print the words "FAKE WINDOW STICKER" right on it as one of the options..

I just wanted to help this guy out, and maybe have a member or a members friend scoop this car up. Bummer is, he won't take, not even 75K for it. Danny

x77-69z28 · « **Reply #21 on:** October 30, 2018, 12:17:47 AM »

The only way to get black stripes on a hugger orange 69 Z/28 was to order a black vinyl roof.

Kelley W King · « **Reply #22 on:** October 30, 2018, 01:28:52 AM »

As they say a car is worth what someone would pay for it. Not my favorite color but if it was I might. I think Danny really likes this one and he could be “someone”

bcmiller · « **Reply #23 on:** October 30, 2018, 01:59:54 AM »

Danny if you want the car - go buy it.

I gave you my honest opinion. If you don’t like it, sorry.

Pay somebody’s expenses and their inspection/appraisal fee. See what they say.

An appraisal from 2009 is not valid for the current market in my opinion. Is that what the seller is basing their price on or what?

If it was priced right, it would have already been sold, again IN MY OPINION.

And it's Hugger Orange....

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 30, 2018, 03:19:11 AM »

Quote from: Kelley W King on October 30, 2018, 01:28:52 AM

As they say a car is worth what someone would pay for it.

Quote from: bcmiller on October 30, 2018, 01:59:54 AM

An appraisal from 2009 is not valid for the current market in my opinion.

If it was priced right, it would have already been sold, again IN MY OPINION.

And it's Hugger Orange....

X2

-The car has been for sale previously, and did not sell. Was it priced to high, probably.
-Perhaps the right buyer did not see it posted last time.
-*Or the Ebay market doesn't contain as many buyers of such a car or priced range.

Orange can give a 69Z a bump up, but in other auctions it may be looked at as a detractor.

bcmiller · « **Reply #25 on:** October 30, 2018, 03:40:43 AM »

I have no problem with orange cars. In fact my first car was orange - or Carousel Red to be exact. Same color as Hugger Orange. I have been trying to buy it back for several years, but the current owner will not sell.

I just meant that it is Hugger Orange versus "Huggar" which was how it was spelled in the title of the first post.

dannystarr · « **Reply #26 on:** October 30, 2018, 04:10:45 AM »

That was me that spelled it Huggar. Like I mentioned in past posts, if I had the room and the scratch, I would buy it. But I can't. I saw Jerry's report with all the info that was blocked out with baby post-its in the eBay ad. I don't think I need to pay someone thousands of dollars to appraise it. It is probably at the top of the market value. Someone once told me to not go into debt to buy a car from the 60's, but of course, that ship has sailed. And will be at sea for 6 more years.

Could someone please give me the info on when this car was posted for sale the previous time. Thanx... Danny

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #27 on:** October 30, 2018, 05:47:57 AM »

I will see if I can find it. Seems like it was a couple of years ago?
(I remember the post it's on Jerrys report)

I also remember at the time he wanted a lot, I thought less than 82k though.

ZLP955 · « **Reply #28 on:** October 30, 2018, 06:16:56 AM »

VIN is 124379L518878

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #29 on:** October 30, 2018, 06:31:34 AM »

a quick search shows an ad was placed on July 20th of 2017, but then was pulled. I did not see a price though.

Ebay links don't work as well as they once did, so I was unable to find the old listing.

dannystarr · « **Reply #30 on:** October 30, 2018, 06:53:29 AM »

Thanx for the effort. I wonder if Kurt has the info?... Danny

69Z28-RS · « **Reply #31 on:** October 30, 2018, 02:34:38 PM »

Quote from: bcmiller on October 29, 2018, 07:40:49 PM

Car is overpriced in my opinion, but exactly how much is up for debate. Seems like a nice car though.
.....
Owner should have never bought a reproduction window sticker. It has enough other documentation and it has Jerry's report.

I suppose that means that you either wouldn't, or couldn't, pay the $82K price? Most of us couldn't and probably we would consider it overpriced too (since we can't buy it).. but.. Q: Have you ever purchased an $82K used car?

Totally don't get WHY you say the owner should NEVER have purchased a reproduction window sticker?? It's already been stated that the owner is not representing it as the *original window sticker*.. so what is the problem? Maybe the owner shows the car and wants to make it easier for the typical 'show goer' to know how the car was outfitted and what it cost back then? I see NO PROBLEM with this as long as the representation is accurate (a repro sticker)... I, like Danny, would put words on the sticker that say it was a repro sticker...

bcmiller · « **Reply #32 on:** October 30, 2018, 04:08:02 PM »

Gary I really don’t feel like I need to answer your questions. Most of those have already been answered. You have your opinions and I have mine.

dannystarr · « **Reply #33 on:** October 30, 2018, 05:32:15 PM »

Actually you DIDN'T answer MANY questions.
# 1 - You told me if I wanted to buy it, to go buy it. OF COURSE if I wanted to I would, don't need anybody to tell me that. That's not an answer.
# 2 -You said it was over priced but didn't say why. Nor did you give a price. So that wasn't answered.
# 3 - You said he should have NEVER purchased a repro window sticker, but didn't say why. So THAT wasn't answered.

You said you gave me your honest answer but was sorry if I didn't like it. I NEVER got it. So not most, most NONE have been answered... Danny

KurtS · « **Reply #34 on:** October 30, 2018, 05:40:34 PM »

You guys are back to petty arguing.
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Author Topic: Huggar Orange '69 Z/28 Low Miles (Read 9061 times)