69 Camaro for sale guy says one of two, prove him wrong, I don't know 69 stats

[Kelley W King]

I personally have learned more about camaros and GM from this site than anywhere else. If examining cars that are listed on public sites brings forth knowledge that I want to hear then so be it. If someone does not want their item discussed then do not list it on a public site. Even this discussion has shown me things I did not know. Thanks guys for sharing your extensive knowledge with me.

[x44d80]

The car is very rusty.

Pulled out of a very rough part of Detroit, cheap. I am sure the previous owners would “not be happy” if they found out he was trying to flip it for 7x what he paid.

It’s a $5k car - max - in my opinion.

Low production numbers doesn't equal value.  I saw a 1969 SS Olympic gold, brown top, medium green gut car the other day.  Probably a very rare combo indeed.  Not on the most desirable lists of color combinations so not it's not bringing in top dollar.  That being said, there's a butt for every seat and I'm sure this car will sell. I'm wondering how high restoration costs would go?

[bcmiller]

  Interesting about the 12 bolts, Bryon. So, I guess you "guys" aren't "full of shit" after all 

Mike

Well, At least not ALL of the time.

[bcmiller]

Tag is 03D - axle is BS0318G1 - Engine code is HF

[KurtS]

I've not been on the forum of late.
#1 - Lsp3rd1982 - stop the swearing and the attacks or you'll be banned. It's not acceptable on this forum. From your posts, you still have a lot to learn about 1st gens.

As I've told the seller, the car is uncommon. L65 with a powerglide and 12-bolt.
Most buyers who paid the $20 for the L65 also paid the $25 for the better trans (TH350). The base engines often had the powerglide, not so with the optional engines. The 12-bolt was just a lucky substitution - there probably was a supply issue in this timeframe.
The L65 was a low-po engine, one step up from the 307. Good engine, but not a powerhouse, so that rant about it is off-base.
The 'rarity' of the car would be a conversation topic at a car show. Doubt it would show in the value other than the 12-bolt value. I highly doubt anyone would restore the car back to original. Most buyers would be after the body and axle and may not use the original engine, IMO.
Personally, I'd use the original block, build it like a L48 with a 200-4R trans.

[BillOhio]

I agree Kurt. Restoring this car would cost to much for the end value. Good place to find a 12 bolt tho
No place for name calling for the amount of knowledge here that is openly shared.

[bcmiller]

My posts may not have been very clear. Kurt made it a little more clear, but MAYBE I can make it crystal clear.

This car, with the L65, normally would have received a 10 bolt axle.

It actually received a 12 bolt with 3.31 ratio as a substitution, probably because either
A.  The car was ordered with the 3.36 axle and that ratio was not available at time of assembly.
B.  The car was ordered with a 3.36 axle AND a posi, but a 3.36 posi was not available at time of assembly.

B is more likely in my opinion, but A is possible.

Axle substitutions were not common, but they did happen.  I had a buddy in high school who had a gold 1967 Camaro with a 250 six cylinder/manual 3 speed/12 bolt with 2.73 and a posi. Normally that car would have received a 10 bolt, but it got a 12.

[ZLP955]

If it's OE to the car. Presumably the '20' or so that have been documented thus far means there is, er, documentation, rather than just that the dates are correct?

[bcmiller]

Tim, yes there is rock solid documentation that SOME of the L65 cars did receive 12 bolt axles.

[ZLP955]

Thanks Bryon, I assumed that the informed commentators on this particular car were basing their replies on other known data points around similarly-equipped Camaros, but (as a broader question) see a lot of reputable appraisals that state rear axles are 'original to vehicle' without any documentation, and would think it's a stretch to say anything more than 'correct assembly timeframe' (or words to that effect). Obviously a  genuine P-o-P or document provides proof, but without that...

[bcmiller]

Yes POPs are solid proof.

For this car in question, or any car without a POP, unless somebody followed it around 24 hours a day and every day since the final assembly - we can’t say with 100 percent certainty that it’s original. But we can be “reasonably sure”.

[ZLP955]

Updated ebay listing, Buy Now price has gone up from $10,000 to $15,000........
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-Matching-numbers/163320925312

[bcmiller]

He is dreaming...

[1971ls6]

I live 2 miles away from the car, if anybody has a real interest in buying it, I could go and look at it

[bcmiller]

It might be interesting to just go look since you are that close.