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1969 396 / 325 HP AIR CLEANER
« on: August 29, 2018, 02:51:40 PM »
WHAT WOULD BE THE CORRECT AIR CLEANER FOR A 69 CAMARO L35 WITHOUT A/C AND A AUTOMATIC ALSO SHOULD IT HAVE CHROME OR PAINTED VALVE COVERS  THANKS

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Re: 1969 396 / 325 HP AIR CLEANER
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2018, 03:07:19 PM »
 That topic was recently discussed here:
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=11091.0;all

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Re: 1969 396 / 325 HP AIR CLEANER
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2018, 03:17:43 PM »
The standard 396 air cleaner w/SS hood was open-element with chromed lid. If the car was built with the ZL2 ducted hood it would have been built with the ducted hood air cleaner/seal assembly.

All BBs had chromed rocker covers with silver gaskets.
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Re: 1969 396 / 325 HP AIR CLEANER
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2018, 03:22:55 PM »
WOW that was quick thanks guys  :)

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Re: 1969 396 / 325 HP AIR CLEANER
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2018, 03:24:52 PM »


All BBs had chromed rocker covers with silver gaskets.
Please explain silver gaskets. I've never seen that before. Thank you, Joe
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Re: 1969 396 / 325 HP AIR CLEANER
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2018, 04:52:45 PM »
BBs w/chrome rocker covers used gaskets coated with a silver sealant. Sold plenty in my parts days. If you happen to have the April '68 Popular Hot Rodding, there is an excellent color engine photo of Kelley Chadwick's SS Camaro. The silver end tab is visible in the photo.

Paragon Corvette sells them; part #1983K.
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Re: 1969 396 / 325 HP AIR CLEANER
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2018, 05:50:08 PM »
I have the Paragon silver gaskets on my BB and it was a judge who was inspecting my car that picked up on it  ;)
You can see the exposed tabs in this picture.
The general public has no clue.

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Re: 1969 396 / 325 HP AIR CLEANER
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2018, 05:51:23 PM »
Thanks William, I have seen and had them but did not think that they were "correct". I kind of like them look wise.
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Re: 1969 396 / 325 HP AIR CLEANER
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2018, 06:25:28 PM »
BBs w/chrome rocker covers used gaskets coated with a silver sealant. Sold plenty in my parts days. If you happen to have the April '68 Popular Hot Rodding, there is an excellent color engine photo of Kelley Chadwick's SS Camaro. The silver end tab is visible in the photo.

Paragon Corvette sells them; part #1983K.
Thanks William. Learned something new today. I'll add it to my list for Paragon. Nice job Mike S...Joe
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Re: 1969 396 / 325 HP AIR CLEANER
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2018, 06:35:55 PM »
They are never really done!

Thanks guys!
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Re: 1969 396 / 325 HP AIR CLEANER
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2018, 07:52:26 PM »
They are never really done!

Thanks guys!

I have to start it before I can finish it :)
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Re: 1969 396 / 325 HP AIR CLEANER
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2018, 04:24:30 AM »
When my father & I rebuilt his 1972 OPEN ROAD 402 motor home engine we used a couple of these.
dtd 1980

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Re: 1969 396 / 325 HP AIR CLEANER
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2018, 01:16:41 PM »
Just a fun somewhat related fact,  Ford did this too in some applications.  My survivor 69 SCJ Mustang has silver painted valve cover gaskets.  So apparently it was done with a few other manufacture/applications.

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Re: 1969 396 / 325 HP AIR CLEANER
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2018, 06:03:49 PM »
Wonder if there was an engineering reason for the sealant. Saw plenty of leaky chrome thermostat housings back in the day.

Did Chevy ever use sealed gaskets on sb chrome rocker covers?
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Re: 1969 396 / 325 HP AIR CLEANER
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2018, 06:27:40 PM »
Wonder if there was an engineering reason for the sealant. Saw plenty of leaky chrome thermostat housings back in the day.

Did Chevy ever use sealed gaskets on sb chrome rocker covers?

I have contacted FELPRO engineering for info on the dry film applied sealant and availability and part number determination for sourcing these direct from Mfr'g. I will post feedback "IF" any is given

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Re: 1969 396 / 325 HP AIR CLEANER
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2018, 09:26:06 PM »
WHAT WOULD BE THE CORRECT AIR CLEANER FOR A 69 CAMARO L35 WITHOUT A/C AND A AUTOMATIC ALSO SHOULD IT HAVE CHROME OR PAINTED VALVE COVERS  THANKS

I'm terribly confused now! (imagine that!)

I began reading through the other thread that Mike referenced and everyone began responding regarding their air tube/hose/elbow and so forth. When I purchased my car, it had an open element air cleaner with a base that did NOT have the air tube/hose/elbow, along with a simple breather cap.

I assumed that to be the original as it had the chrome lid and looked just like the breather setup on AIM L35, A8. All that was missing was the 396 Turbo Jet 325 hp decals. I understood this to be the baseline air cleaner breather setup. All the air tube, hose and elbow components are part of the breather setup on K24, A3 which I thought was an optional breather system.

SO which is correct? Both? Which was the STANDARD setup? L35, A8 or the K24, A3?
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Re: 1969 396 / 325 HP AIR CLEANER
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2018, 12:30:24 AM »
WHAT WOULD BE THE CORRECT AIR CLEANER FOR A 69 CAMARO L35 WITHOUT A/C AND A AUTOMATIC ALSO SHOULD IT HAVE CHROME OR PAINTED VALVE COVERS  THANKS

I'm terribly confused now! (imagine that!)

I began reading through the other thread that Mike referenced and everyone began responding regarding their air tube/hose/elbow and so forth. When I purchased my car, it had an open element air cleaner with a base that did NOT have the air tube/hose/elbow, along with a simple breather cap.

I assumed that to be the original as it had the chrome lid and looked just like the breather setup on AIM L35, A8. All that was missing was the 396 Turbo Jet 325 hp decals. I understood this to be the baseline air cleaner breather setup. All the air tube, hose and elbow components are part of the breather setup on K24, A3 which I thought was an optional breather system.

SO which is correct? Both? Which was the STANDARD setup? L35, A8 or the K24, A3?

Which year?  I believe they were discussing 69s and you have a 67?  Emission standards changed in 68 model year.

http://www.camaros.org/emissions.shtml


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Re: 1969 396 / 325 HP AIR CLEANER
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2018, 03:15:36 AM »

SO which is correct? Both? Which was the STANDARD setup? L35, A8 or the K24, A3?


Which year?  I believe they were discussing 69s and you have a 67?  Emission standards changed in 68 model year.

http://www.camaros.org/emissions.shtml

Good call, Pete. I was asking which would be correct for my car, a '67. I'll admit, I got a bit nervous that I had made an expensive mistake in the restoration process of the car. I wasn't consciously trying to hijack the thread. My emotions took over and I forgot the year that the discussion based upon. Again, good call. And I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.

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Re: 1969 396 / 325 HP AIR CLEANER
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2018, 03:25:20 AM »
Buzz,
 I can tell you that both my 67 L35's.... 04B LOS MZ motor w/K19 smog pump and the 05B NOR MW motor w/K24 have the black lid, open element cleaner with the base that has the valve cover vent hose attached. I have seen other original 67's with just the breather cap in the valve cover so I assume you can have either setup depending how it was ordered originally.  The black lid was used until the 67 April/May time frame before changing to chrome.
Now....do you have the correct flat-top PCV valve?  ;)

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Re: 1969 396 / 325 HP AIR CLEANER
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2018, 04:06:27 AM »
Funny you should ask! I just very recently purchased a NOS AC Delco CV736C pcv. I understood that was the correct valve. I'm not sure what you mean by "flat-top" valve. Educate me, please.

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Re: 1969 396 / 325 HP AIR CLEANER
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2018, 04:32:28 PM »
 That valve may be an updated replacement you have but the original is a CV691C for the 396/325 HP
Replacements have a protrusion above the crimp line where as the original is flat...hence the word 'flat-top'.

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Re: 1969 396 / 325 HP AIR CLEANER
« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2018, 01:56:07 AM »
That valve may be an updated replacement you have but the original is a CV691C for the 396/325 HP
Replacements have a protrusion above the crimp line where as the original is flat...hence the word 'flat-top'.

Mike

I see. Mine protrudes above the crimp line. Thanks for the education!

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Re: 1969 396 / 325 HP AIR CLEANER
« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2018, 12:58:19 AM »
From Felpro regarding the silver coated gasket availability.

Sales Inquiry Customer Description : Do you offer the VS 30055C including the dry film silver adhesive coating on the gasket. We used to see this version in Older kits from the 1980's

Here is what we offer now.


What we do offer for this application (early gen Big Block Chevy) in terms of valve cover gaskets are:

Stock Replacement

VS30055C - Cork rubber

VS30055R - Flat Rubber

Performance

1630 - Cork-Lam cork rubber w/steel core

1635 - Silicone molded rubber w/steel core

1660 - Composite material e/steel core and silicone coating

We don't offer what he is asking about.
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Re: 1969 396 / 325 HP AIR CLEANER
« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2018, 02:10:04 AM »
Paragon sells the silver coated cork gaskets. You can probably take a set of cork gaskets and spray silver engine enamel on the exposed tabs for the effect.


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