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67jeffreyt

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The great 68 Camaro 10 bolt SS debate
« on: August 29, 2018, 02:00:05 PM »
A fellow on another site for selling cars states that CRG is incorrect on a 68 Camaro SS 10 bolt rear.  Where as I stated information from this site that all true SS cars are 12 bolt rear cars.   His information is coming from a Hemmings article on how to find true SS 68 Camaros. He then states he knows for a fact because he owns two 68 SS Camaro 10 bolt rear cars.  I'm not one to argue, so why are there articles out there that are considered truth but incorrect and how does one go about politely passing true information to the owner?  I did invite him to this site to have his car researched.
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Re: The great 68 Camaro 10 bolt SS debate
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2018, 02:12:04 PM »
My father always told me "never argue with an idiot". I suggest you leave it alone. You'll never convince him.

As for magazine articles publishing incorrect information, it's been going on since the movable type was invented and I see no end to it. Unfortunately, the "authors" of those articles don't do any real research before publishing so most of them are riddled with inaccuracies. Not much you can do.

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Re: The great 68 Camaro 10 bolt SS debate
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2018, 02:16:25 PM »
I agree Bert
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Re: The great 68 Camaro 10 bolt SS debate
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2018, 02:31:49 PM »
That fella probably spent as much time researching (ie. reading the Hemmings article) as he did before purchasing those two 'SS' cars with 10 bolt rears...
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Re: The great 68 Camaro 10 bolt SS debate
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2018, 06:37:10 PM »
Here's how you can convince him..get every line side worker. both living and dead, to swear an affidavit that they only installed 12 bolts in SS's and he would believe you.  Oh wait!  His 10 bolt SS's were probably assembled by the janitor during the lunch break.  Truth is, you can't convince these guys no matter what the evidence.

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Re: The great 68 Camaro 10 bolt SS debate
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2018, 07:31:00 PM »
 I wasn't aware Hemming's was the authoritative answer.
Looks like I...or we......are not in the right group?!  ;)

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Re: The great 68 Camaro 10 bolt SS debate
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2018, 08:35:29 PM »
He probably has two '68s that were rebadged as an SS.

67jeffreyt, you mentioned he sells cars, that says it all for me.

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Re: The great 68 Camaro 10 bolt SS debate
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2018, 08:38:44 PM »
Maybe it,s the guy with the late 69 with a 454.
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Re: The great 68 Camaro 10 bolt SS debate
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2018, 10:22:12 PM »
67jeffreyt, you mentioned he sells cars, that says it all for me.

He's not selling, it's on a car for sale site on Facebook.  This particular person added his opinion on the car being a true ss with the 10 bolt rear end.
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Re: The great 68 Camaro 10 bolt SS debate
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2018, 12:43:26 AM »
OK, I read into the salesman thing the wrong way. So instead of a salesman he is just a know-it-all. I think Ed's quote sums it up.

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Re: The great 68 Camaro 10 bolt SS debate
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2018, 04:10:58 AM »
Number of known 67-68 SS's with 10 bolts. Zero.
Number of suspected 67-68 SS's with 10 bolts. Zero.
It's not even a discussion topic.  Can't fix stupid, but I maybe can get the article fixed. https://www.hemmings.com/magazine/mus/2011/12/1967--69-Chevrolet-Camaro-SS/3706601.html
« Last Edit: August 30, 2018, 04:34:42 AM by KurtS »
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Re: The great 68 Camaro 10 bolt SS debate
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2018, 01:34:47 PM »
If he would have read the article, he would have seen that:

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AXLES/DIFFERENTIALS
There is some discrepancy about the rear axles used in Camaro Super Sports. The 12-bolt axle seems to be prevalent in all Super Sports, although factory literature suggests that SS 350s with automatic transmissions would've been equipped with 10-bolt axles. That seems to be the case with Powerglide-equipped SS 350s, but not those with Turbo Hydra-Matic transmissions. There were a wide variety of final-drive gear ratios available. A 3.31:1 ratio was standard with the small-block but 3.07:1, 3.55:1 and 3.73:1 were optional depending on transmission choice. A Powerglide came standard with a 3.07:1 gear. Selecting 4.10:1, 4.56:1 or 4.88:1 mandated a Posi-traction limited-slip differential.
Factory literature shows that the SS 396 came standard with a 3.07:1 gear ratio and that the performance ratio was a 3.31:1 ratio. Optional economy and special ratios included the 2.73:1 and the 2.56:1. Given the ease with which these cars could be special ordered, it's conceivable that almost any gear ratio could've been specified. Camaro axles are stamped, usually on the passenger side tube, with an assembly code that lists the date of assembly, place of assembly as well as a letter code that can be decoded to tell the original gear ratio. The axle casting date is cast into the upper left side of the housing above the cover. This can be used to date the axle in order to determine if it is original to the car or not.

This is true, but ONLY for late 1969 (although we're still researching this for earlier 1969's). All Hemmings has to do is insert the wording "later built 1969" in that sentence:

The 12-bolt axle seems to be prevalent in all Super Sports, although factory literature suggests that later built 1969 SS 350s with automatic transmissions would've been equipped with 10-bolt axles. That seems to be the case with Powerglide-equipped SS 350s, but not those with Turbo Hydra-Matic transmissions.

From our own 1969 CAMARO VISUAL ID HYPERTABLE page (Note 9):

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9. GM documentation indicates that the LM1 and L48 with M35 or M38 (350/4-barrels with automatic transmissions) were to receive a 10-bolt rear axle with multi-leaf springs. However, the physical evidence shows LM1/M35, LM1/M38, and L48/M38 vehicles actually received 12-bolt axles. Physical evidence on L48/M35 cars (SS-350 with PowerGlide transmission) is still limited, but indicates that at least the later builds received 10-bolt, multi-leaf axles; axle use for early 69 L48/M35 vehicles remains unclear. CRG continues to research this issue.

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Re: The great 68 Camaro 10 bolt SS debate
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2018, 05:06:42 PM »
>There is some discrepancy about the rear axles used in Camaro Super Sports.
This should say 1969 SS's. The documentation is clear for 67-68 - they used 12-bolts.

I emailed the writer, haven't heard back.....
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Re: The great 68 Camaro 10 bolt SS debate
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2018, 06:08:51 PM »
Great information to know guys, I only found the truth from this site as I consider the information here to be considered the truth. Based on the facts of your research and documentation.
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