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Re: 1969 camaro 307 1 owner car ?
« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2018, 01:46:31 PM »
Out of the 3 - 1)strap-2)console-3)seat coverings, I only pointed out the 3)seat coverings as a definite departure from original and correct. I cannot comment on the other 2. I said that they, the strap and console, are options and possible, plausible, correct to this car.

As to the “clone”. Once your car, do as you please. It is YOUR car. If you want to make it into a clone, irrespective of which “will be worth more”, that is just your taste and ideas. The car is basically a “rolling canvas”, that the owner / artist uses to express their own ideas. It is far too premature to make that assessment to determine if the car best be left alone or modified based on a few pictures. Some guys will make the “clone” of their dreams, yet be mindful and appreciative of originality and keep the original pieces boxed up and not separate them from the car. You have many options. As far as value? Some will think the value is enhanced with that modification. Others won’t. So you will just have another segment interested, and value is not hurt. There is always someone seeking out a specific type (original,restored,hot rod, day 2, restomod). The list goes on. So you won’t be hurt no matter which way you go.
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1969 SS/RS 396 coupe Hugger Orange X22 712 bought in 79
1969 SS 350 coupe LeMans Blue 713 bought in 79(sold)
1969 307 4spd. coupe Daytona Yellow 711 bought in 85

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Re: 1969 camaro 307 1 owner car ?
« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2018, 02:35:56 PM »
OK I see what you mean now. The houndstooth seat covers would have come with molded door panels, so they are most likely not original. Probably a 711 code interior.

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Re: 1969 camaro 307 1 owner car ?
« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2018, 03:33:13 PM »
Out of the 3 - 1)strap-2)console-3)seat coverings, I only pointed out the 3)seat coverings as a definite departure from original and correct. I cannot comment on the other 2. I said that they, the strap and console, are options and possible, plausible, correct to this car.

As to the “clone”. Once your car, do as you please. It is YOUR car. If you want to make it into a clone, irrespective of which “will be worth more”, that is just your taste and ideas. The car is basically a “rolling canvas”, that the owner / artist uses to express their own ideas. It is far too premature to make that assessment to determine if the car best be left alone or modified based on a few pictures. Some guys will make the “clone” of their dreams, yet be mindful and appreciative of originality and keep the original pieces boxed up and not separate them from the car. You have many options. As far as value? Some will think the value is enhanced with that modification. Others won’t. So you will just have another segment interested, and value is not hurt. There is always someone seeking out a specific type (original,restored,hot rod, day 2, restomod). The list goes on. So you won’t be hurt no matter which way you go.
I agree (again) with Bentley, but I will add on.
judging only by the pics, the car appears to be very original, even with a repaint and the seat covers. When I view tis car what makes it "special", is it has not been made into a SS, Z/28, COPO clone. So in my opinion, what is going to garner the interest, and be more of a crowd pleaser is to leave it as stock appearing outside as possible. The green and DX stripe, while not super rare or highly collectable, is "rare" in the sense that you probably will not run into another car in that condition with those. Now if it were me, I would build a fun small block for it with 400hp or so and dress it so it looks like a 307. You could also have your trans gone through and ad a shift kit. That way you could still have a bunch of fun , but keep it original in appearance. A very cool Sleeper. Put the 307 on and engine stand. If you ever wanted to re-install the 307 you always could.
The car is yours to do as you like, but the car is "rare" in its current form. To many clones out there already, the fun cars to check out are the original ones for me.
What ever you do have fun with it. You only live once.  ;)
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Re: 1969 camaro 307 1 owner car ?
« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2018, 05:47:23 PM »
just saw all the typo mistakes. sorry
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

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Re: 1969 camaro 307 1 owner car ?
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2018, 06:46:58 PM »
I say tub it and make a pro street.


Actually I would LS3/4L80E swap it and upgrade the suspension.  Leave the body & interior "as is" and drive the piss out of it.

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Re: 1969 camaro 307 1 owner car ?
« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2018, 10:09:55 PM »
not a bad idea with the LS swap and suspension. guess it depends on budget, and how many drivers he may have already.
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

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Re: 1969 camaro 307 1 owner car ?
« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2018, 10:45:55 PM »
When you go to check it out, the trim tag on the firewall will confirm what the original interior code was, perhaps the car did come with deluxe interior and houndstooth but the door panels got changed for standard ones, rather than the other way around.
Personally I favor originality, and I would be far more interested at a show looking at a mostly-original base car than a questionable 'tribute' to a more desirable model, but if you buy the car, you can do whatever you want; last classic I bought, I drove for 18 months as found before deciding what path I wanted to go down.
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Sold at Clippinger Chevrolet in Covina, CA. Ex-E/MP at Lions Dragstrip in Long Beach.

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Re: 1969 camaro 307 1 owner car ?
« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2018, 12:19:09 AM »
Hi,I checked the car out today very nice has some issues but it has a X11 code on the cowl tag what exactly does that mean?

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Re: 1969 camaro 307 1 owner car ?
« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2018, 02:56:02 AM »
Darrell Cook


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Re: 1969 camaro 307 1 owner car ?
« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2018, 10:19:19 AM »
I seen that Darrel but that means every car that was a 350 SS or less was a X11 Code..LOL
What exactly does that X CODE mean ?
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Re: 1969 camaro 307 1 owner car ?
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2018, 10:45:06 AM »
X11: Not a Z28. Not a 396ci SS. Otherwise it was either an L6 (230 or 250) or a V8 (327/307 or 350*) coupe or convertible, optioned with the Style Trim or Rally Sport appearance package. Could also have been a COPO of course!
* note: the 307 V8 replaced the 327 during the '69 model year, and the available 350 engine options included the LM1 and the SS350.
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Sold at Clippinger Chevrolet in Covina, CA. Ex-E/MP at Lions Dragstrip in Long Beach.

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Re: 1969 camaro 307 1 owner car ?
« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2018, 02:09:39 PM »
Tim does that mean it coulda came as an R/S or SS or could be turned into one of the aforementioned?

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Re: 1969 camaro 307 1 owner car ?
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2018, 02:36:54 PM »
The vehicles were assembled in two phases.  The X-codes were used at the Fisher Body side of the vehicle assembly plant to help them figure out exactly how to paint the body, exposed metal parts of the interior and what trim pieces need to be used - just on the shell.  The front clip was not prepared or installed at this time.  The X-codes were not used to nail down the SS or Z/28 options by Fisher but only to instruct the first part of the construction before the vehicle was sent to the second phase of assembly.  Fisher did not need to know if it was a Z/28 or SS but they did need to know how to paint and dress the back half of the body shell. 

The Chevrolet assembly plant was the second phase where all the major pieces were attached to the Fisher prepared body shell. The Chevrolet side is where the broadcast sheets (bill of materials) included much more vehicle specific information/options combinations.  The front clip was prepared and installed separately in the second phase of assembly. 

Today we are using the X-codes to backward engineer the evidence of a cars possible original configuration.  Some X-codes apply to several different possible optional combinations while some codes are very specific because they only have a limited number of applications.  If you see X-33 it has to be a Z/28 with added chrome trim because that is the only car shell that looked like that.  The trunk lid needs stripes added and no other possible configuration exists with those stripes.  If the trim code is X-77 it needed Z/28 stripes without any additional chrome trip option.  No other option package would have a shell like that so it is a unique x-code.  The X-11 does not apply only to one specific option package so the code applies to multiple possible applications.  Could not be an SS and could not be for a Z/28 because those shells were dressed differently by Fisher.  X-11 or X-44 are more "generic" than other codes.  SS-396 has a X-22 or X-66 because it needed a black painted tail panel that was unique to the SS-396.  If customer wanted the extra chrome trim on a SS-396, there was a unique Fisher code for that. It does not apply to any other body shell preparation. 

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Re: 1969 camaro 307 1 owner car ?
« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2018, 03:03:02 PM »
...x-33 is only possible configuration exists with those stripes.  If the trim code is X-77 it needed Z/28 stripes without any additional chrome trip option.  No other option package would have a shell like that so it is a unique x-code.....
A very good explanation. But I will confuse you, unintentionally, when I tell you of another car the got the “Z” stripes. That is the Z10 & Z11 Indy Pace Car replicas and promotionally painted coupe.

To summarize. X-11 means the car got “Style Trim”. A group of brightwork trim embellishments. X-11 tells you it is Not, nor ever could have been, the following-Z28, Indy Pace Car replica, SS 396 period. AND  SS 350 ONLY without Style Trim.
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1969 SS/RS 396 coupe Hugger Orange X22 712 bought in 79
1969 SS 350 coupe LeMans Blue 713 bought in 79(sold)
1969 307 4spd. coupe Daytona Yellow 711 bought in 85

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Re: 1969 camaro 307 1 owner car ?
« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2018, 11:22:54 AM »
I seen that Darrel but that means every car that was a 350 SS or less was a X11 Code..LOL
What exactly does that X CODE mean ?
Thanks


You may have "seen that" but you probably should have read it.  Everything covered that people are posting is all there.  Also the search function on this site is very helpful.
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