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LED Bulbs Revisited
« on: June 20, 2018, 04:06:48 PM »
So, while my search skills may have failed me, I believe it has been quite some times since LED bulbs were discussed here. The technology has moved quite a bit forward, and now there are several types, some of which are so bright that safety is debated. For my '69 Z, I am interested in brighter lights for my parking, breaking, turning, and reverse lights. Plasma LEDs sound great for break lights. I am wondering if anyone has any experience with using these on a first gen?

Many of the new bulbs have LEDs arranged around it so should cast light like the original incandescents, allowing them to work better in the housing where the bulbs come up through the bottom. The different brightness's are my concern. I don't want brake lights lost in the brightness of the inner tail light.

Also I am considering replacing some of the internal bulbs (overhead lamp, console lamps, etc) with brighter LEDs. So I am looking for feedback/experiences with those as well. Thanks!


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Re: LED Bulbs Revisited
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2018, 04:57:07 PM »
I replaced by internal bulbs with LED.... after my overhead light kept burning up the lens and housing... melted part of the headliner also.... scary... especially that it smelled like fire when I took it apart.... wires had started melting down.

The only real issue is that the color is slightly different.... but I feel WAY safer that my car is not going to burn down!... and I can leave the door open for more than 10 seconds....

All the rest of the exterior bulbs (and dash bulbs) are as original.
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Re: LED Bulbs Revisited
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2018, 11:34:29 PM »
I have recently replaced all bulbs with LED's except for the headlights on my 69.
I love them. The new dash LED's are much brighter, have 360 degree coverage, and still dimmable.
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Re: LED Bulbs Revisited
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2018, 07:40:46 PM »
I have recently replaced all bulbs with LED's except for the headlights on my 69.
I love them. The new dash LED's are much brighter, have 360 degree coverage, and still dimmable.

Could you share your bulb choices/source? I am particularly interested in console lights, dome light, etc.

-D

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Re: LED Bulbs Revisited
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2018, 11:03:09 PM »
I got most of them from... https://www.superbrightleds.com/vehicle/1969-chevrolet-camaro-vehicle-led-lights?make=16&model=514&year=1969
I think that the dome light was from Classic Industries... the LEDs are mounted on a circuit board... it was my first delve into LED lighting (if I had to do it over, I'd probably get a bulb replacement rather than a circuit board for the dome light).

I don't have a console, but I suspect that they might be the same bulbs #194 as the dash.

I went with the first recommended replacements shown on the SuperBrightLEDs website.
They do have sales every now & then; I took advantage of their Fathers Day 15% OFF Sale.
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Re: LED Bulbs Revisited
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2018, 02:40:38 AM »
My 67 rear tail lights are led factory style socket, purchased from Advance Auto, and had no effect on turn signal blinking speed. The pic is just the running lights not the brake lights.
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Re: LED Bulbs Revisited
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2018, 07:41:31 PM »
My 67 rear tail lights are led factory style socket, purchased from Advance Auto, and had no effect on turn signal blinking speed. The pic is just the running lights not the brake lights.

Those look good. Brighter than original? I have read on this board that the bright LEDs used in the inside rear lights on a non-rs 69 overwhelm the brake lights, making them harder to notice when they're on. I am not sure if this is still true in all cases.

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Re: LED Bulbs Revisited
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2018, 01:40:13 AM »
I'm not sure on 69 tail lights. But yes, brighter than original.   I did one side first before buying another pair of bulbs to see if there was a difference, and my car looked so good my son went and did the same bulbs for his 78 Cutlass. Way better than old filament bulbs
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Re: LED Bulbs Revisited
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2018, 02:47:31 AM »
Even if the wrong incandescent bulb is used on the inside tail light of a non RS 69 Camaro it lights up too brightly and will mask the brake light effect of the outside light.  I still see this quite often today.

My father is a big fan of LED and has all his vehicles converted.  He has sort of gotten me toward that path but I haven't done all the cars 100%.   I convert the inside dome lights to LED on all the cars because I've found the regular bulbs will cook the plastic over time with too much heat.  When I tried LED's in the tail lights of our RS Z I didn't really like it.   Looked okay with parking lights on, but with brakes or turn signals it actually turned more orange than red and had this weird look, brand new lenses too.  LED's too bright I guess so I took them back out.  I will say with the LED's in the dome, the rear console, and both under dash lights, and white interior, it's blinding at night.
   I haven't done the dashes on my stuff but my father does.  Have to get the dimmable versions for the dimmer to work.  When I'm driving his I have to dim them down, just too daggum bright for me and makes it more difficult for me to focus on the dark road in front of me.  So I don't do the dashes on my own stuff.

However I wouldn't mind some LED's down in the console gauges.  If I remember right those were odd sized single terminal.  Anyone know that number off hand?
« Last Edit: June 25, 2018, 03:29:25 AM by X33RS »

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Re: LED Bulbs Revisited
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2018, 04:53:18 PM »
RockAuto carries LED replacements.... just click on which bulb you want... still the best price I can find.
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Re: LED Bulbs Revisited
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2018, 06:04:14 PM »
I found the original number which is needed to do any cross referencing.

In case anyone needs it....

1816 is the original bulb.  It crosses over to a BA9  LED bulb.

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Re: LED Bulbs Revisited
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2018, 10:22:33 AM »
Thanks for this info. I've been considering LEDs for my 68.

Just don't use LEDs in place of incandescent in your new vehicles. The little circuit board in them confuses the BCM feedback circuits and the module stays awake, possibly causing a dead battery.
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Re: LED Bulbs Revisited
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2018, 11:21:18 AM »
Just for information sake..

These LED upgrades may not work with cars that have fiber optics / Vigilite option.

The end of the fiber that goes into the bulb socket usually goes right up to the edge of the bulb glass - which cant happen with LED's.

Just sayin...

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Re: LED Bulbs Revisited
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2018, 09:14:33 PM »
FYI... SuperBrightLEDs.com is currently having a 15% OFF Everything SALE!
https://mailchi.mp/superbrightleds/fourth-of-july-15-off-everything?e=1605607575
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Re: LED Bulbs Revisited
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2018, 10:22:05 AM »
FYI... SuperBrightLEDs.com is currently having a 15% OFF Everything SALE!
https://mailchi.mp/superbrightleds/fourth-of-july-15-off-everything?e=1605607575

Couldn't ask for better timing! Thanks!

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Re: LED Bulbs Revisited
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2018, 06:07:54 PM »
I have recently converted the following in my '69 RS to LED bulbs:

Sourced from Summit Racing, Sparks, NV:
1.  Part No. KCW-10784 Back Up Light Bulb, LED, White, 1156 equivalent
2.  Part No. RNB-211W-HP Inside Dome and Console Courtesy Light Bulb
3.  Part No. GRM-X-88 Front Side Marker LED Bulbs, Amber
4.  Part No. GRM-X-86 Rear Side Marker LED Bulbs, Red
5.  Part No. GTE-90941-5 LED Headlights

Sourced from Dapper Lighting, Novato, CA
1.  Phillips Part No.  1157R  (Red LED replacement for tailight/brake/turnsignal, 2 packs, 2 bulbs/pack, $20/pack)
2.  Phillips Part NO.  1157A (Amber LED replacement for front parking/turnsignal, 2 bulbs/pack, #20/pack)

There was some trial and error involved but so far so good for now.

1.  Originally I had also picked up the red and amber 1157 LED replacements that Summit offered.  However, these were no brighter than the original 1157 bulbs and the quality, IMO, was suspect.  Also, they would not work (flash) with the original OEM flasher in the fuse box.  So I returned them. 

2.  The other LED's that I picked up at Summit worked very well and are significantly brighter than original bulbs (headlamps/side markers/interior dome and console courtesy/back up). 

3.  One key objective was to wind up with much better headlight visibility than standard 7" lamps.  Also, I wanted something that looked quasi original; i.e. no halo rings, no center running light bar, etc.  The GTE LED headlamps from Summit fit that requirement to my satisfaction.  The  GTE LED headlamps are split, horizontally, into two sections (which you really don't notice unless you look closely).  The top half is low beam.  The bottom section is high beam.  The improvement in night time visibility with these new LED headlamps is very noticeable, and if aimed properly, are not a nuisance at all to oncoming traffic.

4.  During Hot August Nights last week in Reno, I visited with the folks at the Dapper Lighting booth.  They are a relatively small, special lighting company out of Novato, CA.  I explained to them how I had tried some LED bulbs from Summit in the tailight and front parking lights and wasn't satisfied with the brightness.  They showed me the Phillips "Ultinon LED" bulbs that they carry.  On their demo display they looked very bright.  There were also two other positives:  1)  PRICE:  They came priced @ $20/pack and there were two bulbs per pack.  Most of the time you will find that someone's (Summit, Rock Auto, etc.) prices will run $15-20 for a single 1157 LED equivalent bulb.  2)  No replacement flasher unit required for most installations.  The Phillips Ultinon LED 1157 equivalent will work with most OEM flasher units.

5.  The brightness of the tailights/turnsignal/stop functions with the new Phillips 1157R (red) bulbs is very noticeable, even during the dailight here in the bright northern Nevada sun.

6.  I tried to install one of the Phillips 1157A (amber) LED bulbs in one of the front parking light/turn signal sockets and for some reason, it wouln't seat properly.  I put the standard amber 1157 bulb back into the socket, it seated properly, and for the time being I'm not going to dig any deeper into that issue.

A couple of things to remember:

1.  LED bulbs, unlike the original bulbs, have a polarity.  On the 1157's they only go in one way so you don't have to worry about polarity.  On the dome, side marker lights, etc. where you push the bulb into the socket;  if you install it and it doesn't come on, remove it and flip it over.  Once you get the polarity correct, all should be good.

2.  A good many LED replacements for the rear tailight/brake/turn signal and front parking/turn signal are not compatible with the OEM flasher in the fuse box.  LED flashers are available from multiple sources.  Once again, one of the advantages of the Phillips 1157 bulbs, they worked just fine with my OEM flasher.

3.  LED 1157 and side marker replacements are available in amber, red, and white.  I strongly recommend that you do not use white.  Use the red or amber LED equivalent based on the lens color.  A very bright white 1157 LED can blead through the lens showing some white when all you should see is red or amber.


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Re: LED Bulbs Revisited
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2019, 01:04:00 AM »
Richard,

Did you ever sort the 1157 Amber LED's for the front turn signals? I purchased LED's from an online site (Not Phillips or Sylvania) and cannot get them to seat either. Just curious if you found a fix.

Thanks, Nick
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Re: LED Bulbs Revisited
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2019, 04:01:49 AM »
Richard,

Did you ever sort the 1157 Amber LED's for the front turn signals? I purchased LED's from an online site (Not Phillips or Sylvania) and cannot get them to seat either. Just curious if you found a fix.

Thanks, Nick

Nick,

No, I never pursued it any further - just left the original 1157 amber bulbs in the front parking/turn signal lights.

Richard
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