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"muscle car" without posi
« on: June 18, 2018, 08:20:06 PM »
Can a car be considered a Muscle car if it wasnt born with a posi?

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Re: "muscle car" without posi
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2018, 08:53:32 PM »
Do you consider a Z/28 a muscle car? Posi was an option...Joe
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Re: "muscle car" without posi
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2018, 09:10:29 PM »
I would say sure a muscle car to me is more the motor and size (footprint) of the car. Many 66-70 Chevelles SS did not come with a Posi, but a 396 was standard. I would classify all them as muscle cars. I think where I take issue, is pony car vs. muscle car. To me the Z/28 and all small block camaros is more pony car than muscle car, and for sure the Mustangs would be more pony car, unless they had a big block.
Also IMO while I would say the 61-62 impala/bel-air with the 409 is a muscle car, since there was no other early chevy alternative, I tend not to put 65-69 Impala with the 396 in the muscle car category, because how big and heavy they are, and you had the chevelle, camaro, and then the BB corvette as a go to.
I am sure someone could make the argument for the dressed down 2 door post cars (bel air) as a muscle car with a BB, I would say that may fall in the category as well.
But is the 1970 454 monte carlo, still a muscle car? I would say no, more luxury car with a BB.

Thats my 2 cents, and may vary a little when discussing different fords and mopars.
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Re: "muscle car" without posi
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2018, 09:37:51 PM »
I have (2) 1971 GS455 convertibles and 1 has posi and one doesn't, totally identical cars.  I also have a 67 GS400 that does have posi as a comparison.  I always wondered about this myself but being that posi was an option on a Z28 (my 68 does have posi) I don't really think you can say posi would be the determining factor of a true muscle car.  I do think it's odd that someone would not have checked the box for it especially if you were choosing the higher horse power or larger displacement engine options

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Re: "muscle car" without posi
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2018, 10:12:31 PM »
.... I don't really think you can say posi would be the determining factor of a true muscle car.  I do think it's odd that someone would not have checked the box for it especially if you were choosing the higher horse power or larger displacement engine options
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Re: "muscle car" without posi
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2018, 10:14:58 PM »
YOU'RE KILL'IN ME!!  " To me the Z/28 and all small block Camaros is more pony car than muscle car, and for sure the Mustangs would be more pony car, unless they had a big block.  ??? ??? ???   First off, the term was invented for the '65 Mustang.. Right? WAY before the Camaro. Then it just got lumped in 2 years later with the Camaro cause it was convenient and they are both smaller car body styles. PONY is a small horse, Mustang is a type of horse, and I have and NEVER will call a Camaro a PONY car! NOW, let's jump to 1968.. what car won the SCCA AND the NHRA that year? UH.. Z/28! Little baby 302.6 cubic inch small block engine. To bad it's NOT a real muscle car!! Heck I might as well sell both of mine ;D ;D ;D   Danny

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Re: "muscle car" without posi
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2018, 10:49:15 PM »
I thought the term started with the 64 GTO.

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Re: "muscle car" without posi
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2018, 11:58:35 PM »
I have a 67 6 banger with a born with 3:55 Posi..... Sweet!

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Re: "muscle car" without posi
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2018, 12:15:44 AM »
Danny, so you just don't like the catagory of pony car, since the mustang was the first to represent it? I would also say the early barracuda would be a "pony car". I wouldn't say the 289/302 mustangs, would be muscle cars, but I could see someone making the argument for the SS 350, or Z/28 being a muscle car. While the 327 283 (307) wouldn't be. Although i have had some 283's and 327's backed with a 4 speed, that would spin 8k all day long, and could hang out beat up on cars with more C.I.
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Re: "muscle car" without posi
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2018, 12:30:56 AM »
I have a 67 6 banger with a born with 3:55 Posi..... Sweet!


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Re: "muscle car" without posi
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2018, 01:10:38 AM »
Could have been the GTO. I just assumed with the name connection that it was Mustang. Here is Wikipedia info.. Who Knows..

 Defining the class

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Not to be confused with the Hyundai Pony.

 


  Ford Mustang
Pony car is an American class of automobile launched and inspired by the Ford Mustang in 1964. It broke all post-World War II automobile sales records, "creating the 'pony car' craze soon adopted by competitors."The term describes an affordable, compact, highly styled car with a sporty or performance-oriented image

The 1964 Mustang provided the template for the new class of automobiles. The term "pony car" to describe members of its ranks was coined by Car Life magazine editor Dennis Shattuck

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Re: "muscle car" without posi
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2018, 01:15:15 AM »
 I've always looked at my '67 Camaro's as pony cars. Still, one L35 SS has a posi and the other L35 has a non-posi rear.

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Re: "muscle car" without posi
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2018, 06:29:02 AM »
My 1968 L78 did not have a posi originally and the 1967 L35 I will be restoring with my son didnít either. Both are posi now.

I would never call a First Gen Camaro a pony car. Thatís for that ďother carĒ thatís discussed in Ford forums. :)

I think the term Muscle Car started in the 50s.
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Re: "muscle car" without posi
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2018, 10:16:04 AM »
I thought the term started with the 64 GTO.

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Re: "muscle car" without posi
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2018, 01:40:45 PM »
Yep, the acknowledged first 'Muscle Car' was the '64 GTO...   the term 'muscle car' basically means a less expensive, lighter weight body with large engine!

The '64 GTO was a 'Lemans' with 389 engine...   (note:  The '62 Grand Prix could be had with 4 speed, 389 or even 421, BUT the grand prix was not a lightweight, less expensive body!

The 'Pony car' term has been used to group the cars which Chrysler, Chevy, AMC, etc came out with to emulate the characteristics of the '64-65 Mustang...  a lighter, smaller less expensive and yet 'sporty' car loved by young people...  ie.  Barracuda, Camaro, Javelin, etc.

PS.  if the Camaro had been the First one..  do you think the general term adopted to describe the group would be called the '"amigo" or 'friend' cars?   :)
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