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pjbizjak

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Re: motor mounts
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2018, 11:01:03 PM »
Thank you all, but I did make a mistake on the larger mount it's 3980701 not 3880701, sorry. The mounts seem to be ok so I'm going to use them. I did buy the recall 'hold down' kit a while back. So if I want to be correct then I should buy 1 3886466 to match the one I have or buy a pair of new ones to be safe.?

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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2018, 02:07:09 AM »
Thank you all, but I did make a mistake on the larger mount it's 3980701 not 3880701, sorry. The mounts seem to be ok so I'm going to use them. I did buy the recall 'hold down' kit a while back. So if I want to be correct then I should buy 1 3886466 to match the one I have or buy a pair of new ones to be safe.?

Pete
Pete, that is what I'd do, purchase a pair of the what appear to be 3886466. Seem to be excellent quality.
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Re: motor mounts
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2018, 02:52:58 AM »
I use the factory mount recall cable torque strap, I don't trust the factory mounts with my 4 speed.  My paper for the recall is dated 1971.  Also you can see in my pic my engine is not factory correct on several items.
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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2018, 02:36:34 PM »
The recall was a cheap & ugly band-aid. They didn't want to replace all those mounts, too much money.
The interlocking mounts are superior design and the only thing I'd run in a car. Would you run a nylon tooth timing gear just to be original, even though they fail??
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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2018, 11:11:24 PM »
Exactly! Safety and function always trump originality for me.
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Re: motor mounts
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2018, 02:14:34 AM »
So do you have a 3 point harness and an airbag?
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« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2018, 04:41:11 AM »
Huh? So you would run nylon toothed timing gears??

The recall was the largest ever in the auto industry and they cut corners to reduce the implementation cost. 
Interlocking was a design change that I believe was implemented in 69 (the other divisions already had interlocking). So that is a vintage design. And if you broke a mount in 69, that's what you'd get. The recall was 1972.
Airbags are kinda newer technology, not sure what you point is......

Your choices are:
run a poor design that all the other divisions chose not to use
run a poor design with a ugly bandaid so when it breaks, it doesn't bind up the throttle linkage (which is why they went to cable linkage in 70)
run a better design that noone can see anyway
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Re: motor mounts
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2018, 06:10:33 AM »
So do you have a 3 point harness and an airbag?

Jon, not quite the same thing. You may have taken my reply out of context. We were talking engine mounts. Oh, and also timing gears.

I wasn’t applying my statement as universal for every topic. Sorry for any confusion.
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« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2018, 12:34:35 PM »
These Anchor produced original looking motor mounts being discussed for restoration have been selling for years and are a common sight. I have not but has anyone heard of any issues with safety concerning their use the past decade or pending legal litigation? If someone wants a correct restoration that is what is being used in many cases.
Time to end so Pete, there you have it! You decide and enjoy that 68 Z/28..... ;D
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Re: motor mounts
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2018, 01:15:08 PM »
There are a lot of guys who come here to learn about originality and who also like to restore their car to how it rolled off the assembly line. To have two CRG guys bashing that stuff and dissuading somebody from using it, I don't get it. Yes, myself and others have used stock style motor mounts and timing gears/chains in some of our cars and not had a problem. If I was going to drive something hard and didn't have to have it 100% assembly line correct because I wasn't going to show it, the interlocking mount is a good way to go for insurance.
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« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2018, 01:47:35 PM »
 When I restore my '67 L35 recently I used new original style non-locking motor mounts (from LI Corvette) because they are very visible and I wanted the restoration to be as close to factory as possible despite the cars early design flaws. I certainly don't drive the car hard like I used to back in the 80's. When driving, I pamper it now so I don't really worry about the mounts breaking loose. The timing chain I used is the single link type so as to keep in-sync to type used back then, though it is not nylon covered (was the BB nylon too?)

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Re: motor mounts
« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2018, 02:06:20 PM »
The timing chain I used is the single link type so as to keep in-sync to type used back then, though it is not nylon covered (was the BB nylon too?)

Mike

Yes it was.  Green car had a nylon in it until it stripped out at 50K miles and killed all 8 exhaust valves.  That was in the early 80's.  I still remember dad pulling the heads in the driveway and me fetching sockets, ratchets & wrenches.


As for the comments on the safety and correctness this can be a slippery slope for many.  I am in a different group than the 2 sides forming and I think many will agree that as long as it is not seen once the restoration is complete I do not see an issue with upgrading internal comments.  That goes for engine, trans, diff and hell even the radio..   

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« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2018, 02:07:32 PM »
There are a lot of guys who come here to learn about originality and who also like to restore their car to how it rolled off the assembly line. To have two CRG guys bashing that stuff and dissuading somebody from using it, I don't get it. Yes, myself and others have used stock style motor mounts and timing gears/chains in some of our cars and not had a problem. If I was going to drive something hard and didn't have to have it 100% assembly line correct because I wasn't going to show it, the interlocking mount is a good way to go for insurance.

I agree Jon...    Team Camaro is more suited to 'aftermarket updates'...   CRG should stay true to it's purpose and function!
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Re: motor mounts
« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2018, 02:22:56 PM »
Good grief.  ::)

Make sure you also have late 60s oil and antifreeze in your engine plus period correct air in the tires.     ???

Do whatever you want.
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Re: motor mounts
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2018, 02:40:15 PM »
I agree Jon...    Team Camaro is more suited to 'aftermarket updates'...   CRG should stay true to it's purpose and function!



I think CRG does stay true..  Next you will want to build a wall around CRG..  Nothing wrong with having diversity..  lol  sorry that was a political joke and I couldn't help myself.. 


Team Camaro.?.  Do people still go there?

 

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