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need 1969 Los Angeles Z28 expert...
« on: April 13, 2018, 03:15:30 AM »
I am looking for a respected Z28 Camaro authority to verify and authenticate a 1969 Z28 made in Van Nuys, Ca plant.  I have a complete trail with names, phone numbers, etc of those who knew the car, a history of all of the owners from new.  This is a documented Vintage SCCA Road Race car, that the third owner I bought it from was told was not a Z28.  But the rear differential and original owner's family say was one.  Of course it does not have the X code on the trim tag.  It was made Feb 3, 1969, shipped to Paso Robles, CA.

I have photos of the original rear end numbers, stampings (and access to it out of the car).  I have the documentation and done the hard work, now need someone to make expert decision and provide proof it was originally a Z28 besides me.

Who would I go to for this?  The car is in Des Moines, IA.

Thanks for any help guys!

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Re: need 1969 Los Angeles Z28 expert...
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2018, 03:36:44 AM »
Jerry MacNeish, at Camaro Hi-Performance. www.z28camaro.com
Tim in Australia.
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Re: need 1969 Los Angeles Z28 expert...
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2018, 04:09:28 AM »
Hi Dan (racerdan)...  :)

Didn't you used to be pretty involved with 'C3 Corvettes', have a 'Spirit of America' paint scheme,  and involved with the NCM??  :)    if so, fancy meeting you here!

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Re: need 1969 Los Angeles Z28 expert...
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2018, 07:10:31 AM »
But the rear differential ..say was one. 
What's the axle code?
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Re: need 1969 Los Angeles Z28 expert...
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2018, 11:41:36 AM »
Racerdan, You have a pm.
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Re: need 1969 Los Angeles Z28 expert...
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2018, 02:46:36 PM »
Hi Dan (racerdan)...  :)

Didn't you used to be pretty involved with 'C3 Corvettes', have a 'Spirit of America' paint scheme,  and involved with the NCM??  :)    if so, fancy meeting you here!

Gary


 
Who, ME?  Hahahahaha!  Hi Gary!  Yep, still alive, playing with cars.  Still have 2 Corvette, including my Stars and Stripes showcar!

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Re: need 1969 Los Angeles Z28 expert...
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2018, 02:48:35 PM »
Racerdan, You have a pm.
But the rear differential ..say was one. 
What's the axle code?


12 bolt, 8.875”
Stamp codes on tube= BU 0120G1
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Decodes as BU- originally a 3:73 gear (BV was a 4:10), with posi, 12 bolt for 1969.
01= January, 20= 20th day, G= Detroit Gear and Axle plant, 1= 1st shift, E= Eaton posi unit.  BU was the normal rear end ratio recommended for the Z28.  Doug Walker had the gears changed to 4:10 after he bought it.

Axle Housing casting(original) cast Jan 3, 1969:  The photos of the housing show the following casted in numbers:
•   Test numbers- 12345 
•   Test numbers- 67890
•   Part # 3894860NF= 12 bolt casting #.
•   GM58= GM Model number of differential
•   CON1= casting foundry conveyor #.
•   Date:  A39= decoded as a= January.  3= 3rd day of month.  9= 1969 year cast.


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Re: need 1969 Los Angeles Z28 expert...
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2018, 03:59:42 PM »
How about some pics of this beauty ?
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
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Re: need 1969 Los Angeles Z28 expert...
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2018, 07:50:40 PM »
I am looking for a respected Z28 Camaro authority to verify and authenticate a 1969 Z28 made in Van Nuys, Ca plant.

You're asking for the impossible. As a vintage race car, all originality has been destroyed. The presence of a BU axle isn't worth much as there is no VIN stamp on them. A 3.73 positraction axle was also available on Camaro SS along with a Muncie 4-speed trans and dual exhaust.

Without genuine, factory original paperwork there is no way of knowing the original build configuration of the car. 
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2018, 08:46:47 PM »
We are chatting off line.
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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2018, 10:17:31 PM »
Hi Dan (racerdan)...  :)

Didn't you used to be pretty involved with 'C3 Corvettes', have a 'Spirit of America' paint scheme,  and involved with the NCM??  :)    if so, fancy meeting you here!

Gary


 
Who, ME?  Hahahahaha!  Hi Gary!  Yep, still alive, playing with cars.  Still have 2 Corvette, including my Stars and Stripes showcar!

... My (old) memory is beginning to wake up...  Didn't you come on this website about 10 yrs ago, basically asking the same questions?  I think we talked on the phone at that time...  I haven't seen you at the NCM in even more years than that...  :)

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Re: need 1969 Los Angeles Z28 expert...
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2018, 11:04:06 PM »
Dan, are there more clues than just the rear axle housing stamp? I suggested Jerry M as I thought from the wording of your question there was more evidence on the car or in the documentation to assess it.....
Now based on Gary's comment above, I had a look at your older posts and it sounds as though you found evidence during disassembly that the car was originally a 396 with C60?
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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2018, 01:57:45 AM »
Dan, are there more clues than just the rear axle housing stamp? I suggested Jerry M as I thought from the wording of your question there was more evidence on the car or in the documentation to assess it.....
Now based on Gary's comment above, I had a look at your older posts and it sounds as though you found evidence during disassembly that the car was originally a 396 with C60?
   Yes, years ago, I posted we figured out it was a 396.  The co-owner of the Camaro told me the guy he bought it from told him it was not a Z28.  Taking his word for it, the only other combination would have had to of been a 396 SS Camaro.  That was then.  But, when I found photos of when it was a street car and wrecked, it had a Z28 badge on the driver's front fender.  I had known it was made in Van Nuys, but had no idea why it ended up in Iowa.  The article in the paper told the original owner's name, and that it was a Z28.   Then I contacted the first owner's family after finding their names in his obituary.  One by one, they all said it was a Z28.  So how does an Iowa Dealer think it is NOT a Z28?  I can only guess the trim tax does not have an X code on it, so he thought it was NOT a Z28.  The Co- owner still swears it is not one.  So I was hoping for someone I could get to clear this up.  I have copies of the newspaper article, names, contact info, notes on what they said, and part numbers off the Camaro.  I have the complete owner history now, all 4 owners.  But if you guys can't help, that is OK.  Just trying to do the right thing, and thought I could get someone to help me.  I wish I could correct my old posts, but water under the bridge.  I know a lot more now.
Thanks, Dan

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Re: need 1969 Los Angeles Z28 expert...
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2018, 02:00:53 AM »
But the rear differential ..say was one. 
What's the axle code?
3.   REAR AXLE- (original) assembled January 20, 1969: All Z28 had 12 bolt rear ends.
12 bolt, 8.875”
Stamp codes on tube= BU 0120G1
                                                 E
Decodes as BU- originally a 3:73 gear (BV was a 4:10), with posi, 12 bolt for 1969.
01= January, 20= 20th day, G= Detroit Gear and Axle plant, 1= 1st shift, E= Eaton posi unit.  BU was the normal rear end ratio recommended for the Z28.  Doug Walker had the gears changed to 4:10 after he bought it.

Axle Housing casting(original) cast Jan 3, 1969:  The photos of the housing show the following casted in numbers:
•   Test numbers- 12345 
•   Test numbers- 67890
•   Part # 3894860NF= 12 bolt casting #.
•   GM58= GM Model number of differential
•   CON1= casting foundry conveyor #.
•   Date:  A39= decoded as a= January.  3= 3rd day of month.  9= 1969 year cast.
Axle posi-traction unit (internal) is original but had new clutches in it. 
Axle Gears (internal):  Not original:  The axle has 4:10 gears in it by manually counting turns. The clutches in the posi-unit were replaced in 1982 by a performance shop in Ankeny, and Laverty changed the axle gears from 3:73 to the current 4:10 in it now.

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Re: need 1969 Los Angeles Z28 expert...
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2018, 04:24:56 AM »

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  I wish I could correct my old posts, but water under the bridge.  I know a lot more now.
Thanks, Dan
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Dan,  If you wanted to include your new information to correct the 'record', then I'd suggest you go find your old posting, and QUOTE it, and then add the updated/corrected information...  that would put all your info in ONE place and help anyone in the future digging into the car's history...  I'd suggest PUTTING all the info you have into the post... including owners/cities/etc...

PS.  Are you planning to 'restoring' the car (as close as you can) to it's original configuration??

PPS:  EDIT:   After I posted the above, I found that you had already *(updated)* your previous post!!

Good luck,

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Re: need 1969 Los Angeles Z28 expert...
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2018, 06:00:43 AM »
OK, so after the new info you learned and updated here and in the older post, can you confirm:
- what previously made you think the car had A/C?
- if it did have two fuel lines? (if so that would indicate QuadraJet carb, and not a Z/28).
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Re: need 1969 Los Angeles Z28 expert...
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2018, 11:06:17 AM »
Probably not a Z28.

William and I are in agreement. No way to prove that it was a Z28 based on the information available. 
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« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2018, 09:22:01 PM »
In the other thread, he states it has clamps for two fuel lines. That means it wasn't a Z28.

Non-Z cars could have a BU axle, just had to order it. Most are SS's, but a few are in non-Z, non-SS cars.
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« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2018, 10:29:36 PM »
Just to give a status report:Our Z28 Camaro is completely restored back to its orioginal colors, but configured for it's Vintage/ Historic racing, with SCCA/SVRA.  It is currently qualified for racing in the Vintage Trans Am series races in both of these groups, with all of the current safety updates, and modifications.  For the purists:  DON"T LOOK!  :)

I have a Facebook site, Dan Harrington, Des Moines, IA.  On it I posted a lot of our documentation of the car.  Feel free to take a look!

On of my albums has 29 photos, some of it on the tracks of the 31 SCCA races it competed in.  Fortunately, with so few owners, it is much easier for me to verify the few parts on the car that are original.  Such as the Rear end, the third owner and I are good friends, and he owned it since 1979.  I have recieipts for the rebuilt rear end for 1979 or 80 if I recall the date correctly.   Knowing it was not replaced in 71, and still there in 79, and still there when I bought it.  But we have lots of other work to do, and hopefully more track photos to find!

Our Z28 was Midwest Division SCCA Champion car in 1974 in A Sedan class, second place in 1973.  Our goal is to get it back on track, hopefully in a Vintage Trans Am Series with SVRA. 

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« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2018, 10:41:13 PM »
In the other thread, he states it has clamps for two fuel lines. That means it wasn't a Z28.

Non-Z cars could have a BU axle, just had to order it. Most are SS's, but a few are in non-Z, non-SS cars.

Yep. I am just trying to be diplomatic.

Mention of it having the Muncie speedo hole and curved neck radiator is interesting. But radiator could have easily been put in for better cooling.
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« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2018, 11:34:48 PM »
OK, so after the new info you learned and updated here and in the older post, can you confirm:
- what previously made you think the car had A/C?
- if it did have two fuel lines? (if so that would indicate QuadraJet carb, and not a Z/28).

Sorry, I am a novice at this Camaro stuff.  I can easily get excited when I stumble across things, not knowing much.  Your two questions:
I was told it had A/C by the guy who was in the accident with the owner in 1971.  Then I figured the Big Block radiator told me it had to be an A/C car too, Later I figured out the manufacturing date of it... the date on the tag on it said it was actually made in June, of 1970.  I still have the tag off it and took a photo of it, not sure how to post it.  But when I removed the firewall plate installed for SCCA racing in 1972 to cover for the heater box, I was expecting only two small holes if it did not have A/C, for lines going to the heater core inside the car.  The firewall had a large cut out where the air box/ heater core went and it was patched over.  Can I send you a photo or post one of it?  It is a big cut out, and since the A/C box was so big, I figured it had to be A/C with the radiator.  I did find the pass side kick panel still in place.  I looked it up, it had the plastic grill in it, and no opening like that for the A/C cars.  My error.  Corvettes are so much easier, I know them by heart....  :)

As for the dual lines for the carb, I found one fuel line clip.  The clip was formed to hold two lines.  I assumed it was original, but there was no current fuel line there.  I later bought an Assembly manual for Camaros, and found what I think it was on page 125, I am guessing it is the same one I found- labeled #4- part # 3886522.  But it only shows it holding one line, not two in the assembly manual.  So, my error being a novice when I posted, and still not much more than a novice now! 

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« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2018, 11:39:02 PM »
In the other thread, he states it has clamps for two fuel lines. That means it wasn't a Z28.

Non-Z cars could have a BU axle, just had to order it. Most are SS's, but a few are in non-Z, non-SS cars.

Sorry, Kurt, my error.  One of the reasons why I want an expert to help me.  I am a novice at this.  I posted just now on the fuel clip, finding it in my recently acquired assembly manual.  Page 125, UPC8, B3.  It is number 4 on the drawing, part # 3886522.  Still looks like a two line fuel clip to me.  Call me stupid.  I could be wrong, the clip could not of been original.  But I thought it was.  I am 85% sure this is my clip.  Is this for two lines?

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« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2018, 11:57:51 PM »
Racerdan, are the multi-leaf springs 4 or 5 leaves?

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« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2018, 12:08:14 AM »
[quote author=KurtS link=topic=16402.msg148411#msg148411 date=1523740921

Non-Z cars could have a BU axle, just had to order it. Most are SS's, but a few are in non-Z, non-SS cars.
[/quote]

I had no idea!  I thought only Z28's had BU axles with 4 leaf springs!   Just proves I am not educated on this stuff!  that is why I turned to this forum.

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« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2018, 12:51:56 AM »
Do you have a pic of the radiator tag?
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« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2018, 02:31:48 AM »
Maybe someone (or Dan?) can post a few of the car photos here?   I'd like to see the car's photos, but I'm too (old or smart?) to be a facebook client...  :)

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« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2018, 03:43:38 PM »
Racerdan,

OK, so your car has 4 leaves and a BU rear?

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« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2018, 04:13:29 PM »
How did I get here?  Confusion, mis-directed leads and information, mistakes, hints, and intuition/hunches. I just recently found this article of our 69 exact Z28 Camaro! 

http://eaglegrove.advantage-preservation.com/Viewer/?k=bob%20wood&t=30433&i=t&by=1972&bdd=1970&d=01011972-12311972&m=between&fn=eagle_grove_eagle_usa_iowa_eagle_grove_19721102_english_19&df=1&dt=10

http://eaglegrove.advantage-preservation.com/Viewer/?k=bob%20wood&t=30433&i=t&by=1972&bdd=1970&d=01011972-12311972&m=between&fn=eagle_grove_eagle_usa_iowa_eagle_grove_19721102_english_19&df=1&dt=10

At the newspaper office, they blew up the photo, and while of poor quality, you could still make out the Z28 emblem above the edge of the front bumper, and the faint white Z28 stripes covered in mud right next to the Camaro script emblem on the front nose.

Our copies of the Camaro's registrations, each and every title in Iowa (ownership never left the State of Iowa after 1971), SCCA Racing Logbooks from late 1971 thru 1982), and photos of it all link it to this, too (racing photos show emblem on front grill, but cannot make out if it says Z28 but it is in the same exact spot as original one).  The photos of it on track link with the log book dates of each race, location, event name and date, and the race results.  Restoration photos also back up the actual info., and the hidden original VIN stamped under the cowl on the body of the car.

As I took parts off the original race car before restoration, I documented casting dates, part numbers, etc.  The Master cylinder, brake booster, engine mounting bracket, inside passenger plastic kick panel, 4 link springs, rear end, rear end assembly stamp, vin stamps, trim tag, hole for speedo cable in firewall, reinforcement plates on the rear sub frame for the dual exhaust, and the few original body parts with original paint all link it to the original Z28, made Feb 3, 1969 with its original Hugger Orange paint and white stripes.

We did an NCRS report on our VIN (same as registration, copies of all owners except the original owner in California), and it was delivered at the same city where the original owner Ken Thompson lived (Paso Robles, CA.).

Once we got this info, we found the original owner was deceased, so we used his obituary to find his direct relatives.  After numerous searches, we found a few of them, and contacted them.  Fortunately, we found many were car enthusiasts, and remembered the Z28 well. 

We also just found one cousin, who worked at Paso Robles dealership (Fred Breiden Chevrolet, dealer #50 on the NCRS website and the NCRS certified letter of manufacture, dealer delivery, order #, and date from Chevrolet records) when the Camaro was delivered!  He was a parts man there, and remembered his cousin Ken Thompson had picked it up within two days of it arriving, and was almost sure he ordered it while he was on a 30 day leave with the Marines.

We continue to contact relatives of Ken and Bob Woods (who raced it) to collect more info and stories on the car.  Ken's wife said there was a photo album of Ken and his Z28 (she and Ken met because they were both Camaro nuts, and both had Camaros.  Her Camaro was a base 67 Coupe she bought used but loved). 

Hundreds of photos from the rotisserie restoration back to where it is today (a currently prepared and competitive 1969 SCCA Vintage/ Historic Road Racer).   You can't miss the original Hugger Orange paint from the factory on the rockers, lower rear valance, etc.  You can also see in the photos the past history of the wreck in 1971, which changed the course of what was originally designed and made at the Chevrolet factory as an SCCA race car to drive on the street, to relive as its original destiny as designed as an SCCA race car to race up front on the road race courses of America!

Maybe we will get lucky, and find a few the photo album of original photos of the car when it was new.  Is the protect-o-plate and warranty book with it, still in someone's drawer with a copy of the window sticker or bill of sale?   Our search now leads us to the second wife, and Ken's children who might have it stored away.   

Meanwhile, the cousin that worked at the original dealership still lives there, and is heading there to get with them.  He is going to try to search their old boxes stored away to see if he can find the original order forms, files, etc. about the car.  The first owner's wife is trying to help us by leading the search for the photo album on the car and the first owner.  My wife and I continue to try to find the rest of the first and second owners families, to collect info, photos, and stories on it's adventures!

Wish us luck!

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« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2018, 04:43:21 PM »
Racerdan,

OK, so your car has 4 leaves and a BU rear?

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  Yes.  Cast dates on the center casted section show it as a 12 bolt rear end, made Jan 3rd, 1969.  The stamp shows it was assembled as a 3.73. w/positraction on Jan 20, 1969.  The car was finished at the Los Angeles plant on February 3, 1969.   It had 4 leaf springs and shackles on it. that appeared to of not been messed with.  The third owner, who bought the car in 1978 as an ex SCCA Road Racer, never drove it, but had it rebuilt with new clutches and springs (I have the actual original receipt where he had this done).  Then it was raced by another person for two or three events, and was placed in the second owners garage, and later his Morton building in storage until I bought it.  He tells me the rear end was the same one he bought with the car in 1978.  The guy who restored the car when it was wrecked in 1971 told me they used the original rear end that the car came with to race it, because there was nothing wrong with it and it did just fine in the races while he worked there.  It had drum brakes on the back, (single piston power disc brakes on the front), and the actual drums on the rear axle had small holes all the way around it in the outer edge of the drum.  I assume that was either a Chevrolet idea for racing, or the previous racer's idea to cool the drums while racing.  The brake booster was original (9204) and master cylinder too (5468309).  There was a check valve in the rear brake line outlet of the master cylinder, and also a regulator valve hidden in the rear of the driver's side frame rail, going to the rear brakes.  That is about all I know I can remember...!

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Re: need 1969 Los Angeles Z28 expert...
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2018, 06:24:33 PM »
Good luck Dan. I sincerely wish you luck.

From what is left of the car now, there is no way to verify it as a Z28.

Original dealer paperwork may help, but be aware that there is reproduction paperwork out there.

My thoughts on seeing the wrecked car pic are that back then, generally cars that bad were sent to junk yards, never to be on the road again. With wrecks that bad, the axle could very well have been damaged beyond repair.  100 hours for repair?  They would have been better off starting with something else.

Best wishes.

I might see about driving over for a visit someday.
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Re: need 1969 Los Angeles Z28 expert...
« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2018, 02:13:13 AM »
Dan's camaro has more value as a 'reconstituted' SCCA race car than as an 'original Z28', and as a restored race car, IMO he has more than sufficient evidence that it 'was once a Z28'...  although I'm not sure what such a statement is worth... as all the items which 'make it a Z28' are long gone... 

PS.  I suspect that ex-SCCA race cars with history might have as much or more value than a 'proven' Z28 with the critical parts missing (ie. engine)...
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Re: need 1969 Los Angeles Z28 expert...
« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2018, 04:48:38 AM »
I locked the other topics. Posting similar info in three topics was getting confusing.
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« Reply #32 on: August 01, 2018, 06:07:54 AM »
There are 10,000k more First Gen Z28 Camaro’s then we’re ever built.
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« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2022, 04:00:51 AM »
Thought I would post an update on this old post, and my quest to verify my Vintage Racer. 
I now have 2 notarized statements- one from the wife of the first owner, and one from the mechanic that repaired it after the crash stating it was a Z28.  I also got copies from SCCA on the application for racing it, listing the car, VIN, listing it as a Z28 with the original 302 in it.  Several tech inspection sheets list it as a Z28 as well for several years when it was raced, and the VIN as well as the SCCA roll cage certification number.  All match the VIN, stamped on the body under the cowl.  The third owner found the original Muncie for it, with the VIN stamped in the case.  The manufacturing dates of it, the Rear end match as well.  The NCRS sent me their letter on when and where it was made, and the original dealer- Fred Breiden Chevrolet in Paso Robles, CA.  I also have the racing records of the past drivers, which included an experienced dirt track racer-Ron Boeltz who got his SCCA Racing license with it in 1981, after installing a 302 out of his own 69 Z28.  He went on to race a 69 Corvette in Trans Am Races in 1982-1984.  Ron still has the 69 Vette!  Oh, we also got copies of the title transfers dating back to 1971.  As we finish up, we are in the finishing stages of writing our book on our Z28 and its' adventures.   I will also include all of the mods, many of the parts, settings, adjustments, tricks we had done or did to make it a very competitive Vintage/ Historic Road Racer for SCCA/ SVRA/HRS, etc.  The original trim tag still sits undisturbed on the firewall, and all of original parts dates, casting numbers, etc. have matched up with the original paperwork we now have.  Now with 6 people who knew it when it was new or before it was wrecked, lots of State and over 50 Official SCCA Racing documentation, inspections, newspaper articles and old racing photos, I can feel comfortable it is indeed a Z28.  The confusion was likely started due to the Van Nuys plant using the smaller trim tag without the X codes.  With the production of less than 4,000 like this, midwestern Camaro enthusiasts and racers rarely if ever saw a 69 Z28 without an X code on the trim tag, even at the Chevy dealership in small town Eagle Grove, Iowa.   Thanks for everyone's help on our quest!  We have raced it a couple times on the track, it is an absolute fire breathing monster: fast, loud, and makes people smile! 

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« Reply #34 on: April 20, 2022, 04:36:22 AM »
Great update. love to see a video of it at the track
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« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2022, 03:06:37 PM »
Thought I would post an update on this old post, and my quest to verify my Vintage Racer. 
I now have 2 notarized statements- one from the wife of the first owner, and one from the mechanic that repaired it after the crash stating it was a Z28.  I also got copies from SCCA on the application for racing it, listing the car, VIN, listing it as a Z28 with the original 302 in it.  Several tech inspection sheets list it as a Z28 as well for several years when it was raced, and the VIN as well as the SCCA roll cage certification number.  All match the VIN, stamped on the body under the cowl.  The third owner found the original Muncie for it, with the VIN stamped in the case.  The manufacturing dates of it, the Rear end match as well.  The NCRS sent me their letter on when and where it was made, and the original dealer- Fred Breiden Chevrolet in Paso Robles, CA.  I also have the racing records of the past drivers, which included an experienced dirt track racer-Ron Boeltz who got his SCCA Racing license with it in 1981, after installing a 302 out of his own 69 Z28.  He went on to race a 69 Corvette in Trans Am Races in 1982-1984.  Ron still has the 69 Vette!  Oh, we also got copies of the title transfers dating back to 1971.  As we finish up, we are in the finishing stages of writing our book on our Z28 and its' adventures.   I will also include all of the mods, many of the parts, settings, adjustments, tricks we had done or did to make it a very competitive Vintage/ Historic Road Racer for SCCA/ SVRA/HRS, etc.  The original trim tag still sits undisturbed on the firewall, and all of original parts dates, casting numbers, etc. have matched up with the original paperwork we now have.  Now with 6 people who knew it when it was new or before it was wrecked, lots of State and over 50 Official SCCA Racing documentation, inspections, newspaper articles and old racing photos, I can feel comfortable it is indeed a Z28.  The confusion was likely started due to the Van Nuys plant using the smaller trim tag without the X codes.  With the production of less than 4,000 like this, midwestern Camaro enthusiasts and racers rarely if ever saw a 69 Z28 without an X code on the trim tag, even at the Chevy dealership in small town Eagle Grove, Iowa.   Thanks for everyone's help on our quest!  We have raced it a couple times on the track, it is an absolute fire breathing monster: fast, loud, and makes people smile! 

Have you talked with Jon Mello?
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 coupe - now old school 468 big block
1967 Camaro RS/SS 396 coupe L35/M40 - 4 generation family project
Looking for 68 Camaro with body # NOR 181016

 

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