60's registration sticker

[Mike S]

Hello Group,

   I've been searching this topic and get conflicting answers from people I ask locally.
The question is: The small license plate sticker seen on, let's say NY or California 60's plates, is the sticker month/year when registration was issued -or- the month/year of registration expiration.

Thanks!
Mike

[bertfam]

I can't speak for NY, but in California the answer is both! The month on the sticker is when the car was registered AND when the registration expires.

Ed

[Pacecar]

For New York - it is the expiration date. So my 68 has a license plate with a 69 sticker to be correct. But lots of people here use the sticker with the year of the car. Same with the inspection sticker

[x66 714]

I can't speak for NY, but in California the answer is both! The month on the sticker is when the car was registered AND when the registration expires.

Ed

Arizona is also the same...Joe

[bertfam]

Let me expand on the California registration a bit. In the 1960's, there wasn't a month sticker. Only a year. All cars and trucks had to renew their registration at the same time. I don't remember what that date was, but I DO remember my dad fuming every time he had to pay the state $12 bucks (TOTAL) to register our two cars!! If he were alive today, he'd REALLY be fuming at the $250 EACH (or more) we now have to pay! Thanks Jerry Brown.

Anyway, the month sticker didn't appear until the mid 1970's (I seem to recall 1973, but I'm not sure about that) when California decided it was easier to get payments throughout the year instead of all at once.

Until then, when you renewed your registration, you got a new year sticker and had to place the odd years on the left and the even years on the right (except for 1964 & 1965 where the "1964" sticker went on the left and the "1965" sticker went on the right).

Ed

[x66 714]

I'll have to look through some of my old registrations but you're right. Arizona didn't add the month till later....Joe

[Mike S]

 Thanks all for the replies!
  My NY 67 plates have a registration sticker with 12/67. The car was delivered to Spielman Chevrolet in Brooklyn in May 67. I figured the 12/67 was wrong and I do have a 5/68 unused NY sticker but I wanted to verify before I use it.
  As for my 67 LOS, that was delivered to Kelsey & Sons in April 67 so I wanted to get a Ca. plate for that period and get stickers that were correct (though this would be only for show in NY). Currently the only Ca sticker is on the windshield and is the California Hwy Patrol safety inspection from 1970.

Mike

[Mike S]

Ed.....all I can say is "WOW"!!!! $250 each car per year? Why so much?

Mike

[bertfam]

Because Jerry Brown needs more money for graft.

http://www.capradio.org/articles/2017/12/19/california-vehicle-registration-fees-increasing-in-2018

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/energy-green/sd-fi-california-gastax-20170413-story.html

I'll get off my soap box now since we're supposed to keep politics off the forum.

Ed

[Mike S]

 Ca. is long overdue for a coup d'état, IMO, especially with today's current events. 
My cousins bailed out of that state a couple of year ago due to the situations.

Mike

[camaroboy68ss]

In Oregon, there were various things tried from the 50's through the 70's. On pre-WWII cars the plate was stamped with either a year or a date on them and then you would have to change plates every time you registered the car. Then in the early 50's they moved to changeable year tabs that were stamped steel and you would just swap the metal tag for the year and then a month was stamped onto the plate, so your plate would expire after that month on the year on the plate. The metal tab plates really only lasted about 5 years. They then went to having the month stamped and then a year decal and that was the norm though the 60's and 70's before going to month and year decals. 

[BULLITT65]

Because Jerry Brown needs more money for graft.

http://www.capradio.org/articles/2017/12/19/california-vehicle-registration-fees-increasing-in-2018

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/energy-green/sd-fi-california-gastax-20170413-story.html

I'll get off my soap box now since we're supposed to keep politics off the forum.

Ed

not politicking, thats just factual Ed.

To play devils advocate, I think 1 benficial thing fo the gas tax is it affects everyone who drives (gasoline powered) vehicles equally. The poor and the rich, those that don't pay taxes and those that do.

I don't buy into the idea that, improving roads is going to save each consumer $700 a year. Thats BS.

There are other states that are able to stay in the black. It is interesting when you look at the political map, how the red states do vs. the blue states, as far as being fiscally responsible. Obviously California is the largest in debt. Although largely considered a blue state, because of the metropolitan voter influence, outside the metropolitan areas California is very RED.

It is also interesting when you look at the history of California's Governors. Arnold Swartznegger got elected based on A recall effort of Gray Davis (former governor) that raised the registration fees for vehicles, and once Arnold was elected he lowered the registration fees, just long enough to AGAIn raise them back up to where Gray Davis had them. But lets not kid ourselves into thinking Arnold was fiscally conservative either.

One more note: California license plates used red letters on a white background for the month sticker intially, and I believe in the early nineties they switched to blue letters on a white background for the stickers.

I have lived in a handful of different states, but grew up and have spent most of my time here in Calfornia. I am not going to tell you California has the best political climate, or its political leaders represent most of the citizens of the state. There is good weather in some parts of the state, and I guess many of us hope there is some sort of revolt , and at some point we get back to sanity here regarding taxes, and the social issues. 

[Mike S]

 I have an ARCO (in Solvang, Ca.) gas receipt I found under the rear seat when I bought the LOS car and it was dated 1-22-71. The sale was for 13.3 gallons at a total cost of $5.31    The plate on the car at that time was U (or V) HE647  I have that saved as a search item on e-bay in the hopes that it may appear one day.

Mike

[BULLITT65]

Solvang is cool dutch town to cruise through, now.

[bertfam]

I have an ARCO (in Solvang, Ca.) gas receipt I found under the rear seat when I bought the LOS car and it was dated 1-22-71. The sale was for 13.3 gallons at a total cost of $5.31

39.9 cents a gallon! Boy do I miss those days.

People tell me all the time that inflation isn't always a bad thing, but I have to disagree.

In 1960 my father was a Lieutenant in the US Navy. His take home pay was just under $500 a month, which included his sea pay, his flight pay (he was a fighter pilot) and his hazardous duty pay. On that, we owned our own 3 bedroom, 2 bath home, ate fairly well (hamburger, chicken and pork chops most of the time, but steak every few weeks), had two cars (one new and one used for mom), went on a 2 week vacation every year in the summer, and on this, my mom was able to stay home and "raise her family". Now it takes at LEAST two incomes to be able to afford a home, a new car, a used car, food, electric, gas, water, etc..., and even with two incomes, it's difficult.

Ed

[69Z28-RS]

I agree with you Ed...  Inflation is a very bad thing.    It gives the false feeling that one is 'making financial progress', but really we are not..   what it does do, is reduce the value of your long term savings (from what it would purchase without inflation).   I think it only benefits those that are taking in today's money, and repaying back with long term promises of payments (ie.  government and big company retirement plans).

[Pacecar]

Issue that I have with a gas tax is that we already subsidize electric vehicles. Increasing the gas tax for road improvements would subsidize electric cars even more. Better way would be based on usage or miles driven if that could be accomplished. Last political comment or economic comment I will make

[Kelley W King]

I am not that worried about the electric cars for now. With the range, lack of charging stations, and other things I think the novelty will wear off. When you pay your power bill for that 50 amp quick charger that runs off power that is mostly created by fossil fuels you kind of need to think about the inconvenience of planning your day around your round trip mileage. If you drive your 1st gen Camaro at least there is a high test pump every few miles.

[BULLITT65]

I am not that worried about the electric cars for now. With the range, lack of charging stations, and other things I think the novelty will wear off. When you pay your power bill for that 50 amp quick charger that runs off power that is mostly created by fossil fuels you kind of need to think about the inconvenience of planning your day around your round trip mileage. If you drive your 1st gen Camaro at least there is a high test pump every few miles.

I would disagree with you on part of your statement. While I agree electric vehicles primarily run off of fossil fuels currently, out in California there is a growing trend for people to install solar on their roofs of their houses. Since it is sunny most of the year out here, some of it is subsidized, but people can agree to a contract and pay about $150 to the solar company a month ( solar company owns the system), but they can use as much power as they want. Or they can purchase a system, about a 20 year pay off at about the same $150 a month, and then they would own the system. In each of these scenarios you could then charge your electric car overnight, for no extra cost. Yes you are still limited on miles, but most EV cars are used for commuting anyways.
The thing that is going to take off is autonomous vehicles. Yes somebody died last week in AZ from being hit by a self driving vehicle. It was on auto pilot and had a person observing in the car, but I believe the woman that got hit was crossing the street (not in a crosswalk), and from the police report, even a human would not have had quick enough reflexes to have stopped or swerved in time. Now the decapitation story (first guy killed ) by the tractor trailer , that could have been prevented I think. But regardless that technology will be an option in five years on luxury cars, and then you can figure it will be a standard option on some cars perhaps 10 years after that.
The thing that has me excited is that there has been more leaps in Nuclear fusion,(not fission)  and scientists think in 10 to 15 years it may have a practical application ironed out. Doubt it would see its way into an automobile in my lifetime, but exciting none the less.

[Mike S]

There is always the chance we will see the 'Flux Capacitor' soon 

[BULLITT65]

Well I think with the space X program and many other leaps in technology, hopefully todays best minds will work on more evolutionary ideas, than the current trend in technology, (to give your phone more emoji's , and the expansion of social media?,)WHAT A WASTE of brain power from developers, and users) How many different kinds of smily faces do we need?

 

[bertfam]

I was really hoping technology would get behind Hydrogen fuel cells. Hydrogen is cheap (after all, it's the most common element in the universe!), and easily dispensed (pull up to the pump and dispense like gasoline.) The only bi-product is water, so it's clean.

Hell. It's what we got to the moon on, so it's proven. Just too expensive to build Hydrogen filling stations I guess. You would think all the big gas companies would embrace it though. They can't keep pumping out fossil fuel forever.

Ed

[BULLITT65]

I think with the EPA and government taxes, you would never recoup your initial investment in a hydrogen plant, and the oil companies have figured it is cheaper to just maintain the oil refineries they have. To put it plainly Gasoline is still the cheapest fuel available.
Referencing your article Ed, it is unfortunate that the elected leaders in Calfornia (amoung other states) think they can tax their way to fixing spending problems. Adding over 70 cents to each gallon of gas seems ridiculous to me, especially when you consider that is just for 87 octane!
Currently for that 87 octane it is about $3.20 here, and again that is for the special low emissions california blend ( more money to produce, because it is different supposedly)

Now on the flip side (Indiana)
I visit Indiana at least once a year. I have heard people say there are 2 seasons in Indiana: Winter, and Construction. 

It is true though. While you have cheaper gasoline prices ( about $1 cheaper on average) the roads are crap.
I remember taking the Camaro out for a cruise one night in Elkhart, and every road I was on had orange cones, pot hole repair, it was ridiculous.
With the freezing and thawing, salting the roads in the winter for snow and ice, you have to seek out roads to enjoy. Sometimes on the outskirts of the town, in the country it can be ok. UNTIL they decide to repave the road....
What does this involve?
Them dropping a bunch of crushed rock! Yes literally they just dump crushed rock on the country roads, and they do not compact it. That is left to the people who drive those roads! SO as you can imagine the rocks fly everywhere as cars go down those roads with the fresh rock, seems archaic to me, but thats the way it has always been done, so they continue to do it.
MAYbe it keeps the costs down? ( so taxes stay low)
So sure you can get cheap 93 octane or high race gas, but many times there is no where to enjoy it

[qwertyme77]

Hello Group,

   I've been searching this topic and get conflicting answers from people I ask locally.
The question is: The small license plate sticker seen on, let's say NY or California 60's plates, is the sticker month/year when registration was issued -or- the month/year of registration expiration.

Thanks!
Mike

Back on topic...Pennsylvania no longer uses stickers on our plates. Until recently, in Pennsylvania the plate sticker designated the expiration month and year for the car's registration. Our safety and emissions inspections expiration USED to coincide with the plate expiration. When that changed, I'm not sure. However, back when I started driving in the seventies prior to mandatory emissions testing, we used to have to have our cars inspected every six months.

[vtfb68]

Hi Guys,
 I was born and raised in California, Please give me a state I can not pick apart and demean (Nothing special, anybody can do the same). I agree taxes are too much, Mostly due to California
supporting 45 historically Bankrupt other states! all while they give us the middle finger. California is the cleanest it's been in my life, and getting better. We all know luxury is not cheap, so why complain?
 Moving away hurts Nobody here! There are plenty of others willing to take their place that actually want to be here. And if they take a toxic spewing company with them all the better.

   My Two Cents

[BULLITT65]

Your not supporting many conservative states. Indiana is one right off the top of my head that is repeatedly in the black. If you looked at the spectrum of states in the red and looked at which party had been in control, you would see the correlation. 😉

[Mike S]

 I removed the 67 NY sticker and put a 5/68 sticker in its place. The sticker is not a repro....I bought it in the mid-80's from someone selling old NY stickers. As for the black w/yellow characters California plate, did they have 63 embossed into one of the two small squares, and if so, was that same plate used for 67 too (with the 63 embossed)?

Thanks!
Mike

[BULLITT65]

Mike ,
yes most black plates had 63 embossed in the corner. I believe this due to the fact the were made in 63. Late 68, early 69 plates do not have the 63 embossed. Somewhere between XPY and XQY they no longer had it. 1967 plates (which would have started in 66 ) would have the 63 embossed on them.

[x77-69z28]

Mike, I believe the DMV requirement for using the year of production plates is that it had a sticker on it from the year of production of the car they are going on.
Buddy

[Mike S]

Mike, I believe the DMV requirement for using the year of production plates is that it had a sticker on it from the year of production of the car they are going on.
Buddy

Hi Buddy,
  I think I remember that back in the 80's when I first registered with the vintage plates. Too late now that I change it yesterday! 
Getting ready for the shows and cruise nights on LI? I had the car's first showing in the St. Patrick's parade in Center Moriches and it sure was a good long term idle test for that 'turtle race'.  We had the Model A club ahead of our club plus a bagpipe band so the crawl was slow.

Mike

[Kelley W King]

I think NC went to 2 stickers in the mid 70,s from new plates every year. I have a 1975 plate. Now we are down to just the year sticker with a bar code. They says the police computers can do everything from just the number. The prison inmates make the plates. I think in the 70,s they pushed for and got minimum wage which caused the yearly plates to be more costly.