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Re: Warranty Engines
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2007, 05:07:13 AM »
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That also means there's no easy way to distinguish between a CE short block and a CE engine assembly. Heads and other components would be dated for the block, if those components are still on the block.

Not sure if it matters much, but the odd "CEN" stamped engine above had 492 angle plug heads on it, dated E 23 3.  Also had roller rocker arms (not roller cam), so who knows when the heads were installed, whether it be at the "possible" exchange time or later on down the road.  I have no idea if it would have been possible for them to use the later heads on one.

Everything inside was correct.  010 4bolt block, 302 crank, forged rods, pop-up pistons.  The timing cover, HB, intake, pulleys, alt, dist are #'d and/or dated correct for the car.  Aside from the peculiar stamp, all signs point to it being a CE.
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Re: Warranty Engines
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2007, 04:00:41 AM »
Pat (ccargo) & Kurt -

I don't know if this helps with your research, but there is a CE warranty engine ('69 302) listed on Ebay now.

Engine pad is stamped: CE9A321
Starter flange is stamped: 01 9 V
Block casting number: 3956618
Block casting date: A 20 9

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Camaro-DZ-Warranty-CE-engine-Jan-28-1969_W0QQitemZ200111818120QQihZ010QQcategoryZ140682QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Re: Warranty Engines
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2007, 03:45:31 PM »
Any ideas as to why the 33 on the end of the pad stamping is so out of place on the E-Bay CE block referred to by Paul?
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Re: Warranty Engines
« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2007, 03:49:43 PM »
Mine's like that too on my CE engine, only it's a 22.
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Re: Warranty Engines
« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2007, 08:53:27 PM »
Probably because they only incremented the main gang stamp every 100 parts. The last 2 digits were then added by hand.
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Re: Warranty Engines
« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2007, 04:51:53 PM »
Pat (ccargo) & Kurt -

I don't know if this helps with your research, but there is a CE warranty engine ('69 302) listed on Ebay now.

Engine pad is stamped: CE9A321
Starter flange is stamped: 01 9 V
Block casting number: 3956618
Block casting date: A 20 9

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Camaro-DZ-Warranty-CE-engine-Jan-28-1969_W0QQitemZ200111818120QQihZ010QQcategoryZ140682QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Paul

The above engine was sold on 5-23-07.   :)

Sale price: $2950.00
Engine pad is stamped: CE9A32133  (revised)
Seller id: tyrfryrtom
Seller location: Lexington, SC
Buyer id:  ???  (kept private)

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Re: Warranty Engines
« Reply #36 on: August 24, 2011, 05:48:38 AM »
thanks to Fran and all for sharing the info... it is still a good read.

I have a CE 87xxxx block at the shop now.  It has T078 by the starter flange bottom part of the block.   From what I have been seeing on the CE blocks it appears that the first number, the year the engine was replaced or assembled in this case, as stated, is 8 for 1968 and I suspect the next number was a month code.  I have no proof of this other than looking at a hundred or more CE blocks. I also think the stamp numbers on the starter flange would be T = Tonawanda plant, 07= July and 8 = 1968 matching the pad CE stamp.  There are also inspector stamps on the block too. 

If I understand this correctly, the year number, CE87xxxx in this case, does not represent the cars model year but rather the manufacturing year aka production year when the CE block/engine was replaced and or assembled.  In ccargo's example CE950332 on a 440 block dated G98 casting date Aug.09, 1968 for 1969 production got stamp T0808, again assembled Aug 1968 at Tonawanda and I agree was likely for a 67 or 68 car. but I think was replaced in May 1989. Also with Kurt's examples:

CE9B46015, CE9 = 1969, B= Feb and
CE0A965 0 9, CE0 = 1970 A = Jan
CEN72 502 = CE72 = either 1977, Feb or 1972 without a month,... Could the N be a engine code or for Norwood Camaro???

I might be completely wrong here but I hope my 2 cents of research helps.  I also suspect that the block casting number would be the block number you had until they ran out and then would be upgraded to the next better block but this is shear speculation.  Can anyone confirm any of this?   Thanks everyone, GI Joe
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Re: Warranty Engines
« Reply #37 on: August 27, 2011, 04:18:29 AM »
The A and B are either because they run thru the #'s and started a new series or it indicates the type of block (fitted, short block, etc).

Remember they were just building spare parts. They didn't care what car it went in, when it got used, or what block it replaced.

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Re: Warranty Engines
« Reply #38 on: August 27, 2011, 05:22:55 AM »
Thanks Kurt...


I just found a BB CE06870  3   with a starter flan stamp of T099 ...it appears GM waited to issue/assemble the block in June of 70,   i.e. if my speculation is correct...
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Re: Warranty Engines
« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2011, 04:55:23 PM »
Those stamps would occur within minutes of each other on the assembly line, so it would appear that's now how to decode it.

This is a hard topic to research cause the only real known is the casting date. Application and assembly date are unknowns.
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Re: Warranty Engines
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2015, 12:06:36 AM »
I have a NOS J207 dated, CE859944 coded short block assembly in my 1967 Z28. Came with a forged tuftrided crank, forged pistons and stage 3 small journal rods. Its a 657 block, with a small journal crank.
I Noticed the number stamped on this 657 block and it appears to be from Tonawanda?

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Re: Warranty Engines
« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2015, 12:22:21 AM »
I have a NOS J207 dated, CE859944 coded short block assembly in my 1967 Z28. Came with a forged tuftrided crank, forged pistons and stage 3 small journal rods. Its a 657 block, with a small journal crank.
I Noticed the number stamped on this 657 block and it appears to be from Tonawanda?

That is correct.  CE8 means it was a 1968 model year assembly and the rest of the number (59944) falls in the assigned number range for Tonawanda engines.  Seems odd to me that a 302 would have been done there.  I wonder if it may have been assembled from parts outside of the engine plant?

Just FYI.  I have been collecting CE blocks (mostly 396 and 427/454) and pics of the stamps for a while.  The earliest I own is a CE8xxxxxx (I can't remember the exact number at the moment) that was assembled in either September or October of 1967.
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Re: Warranty Engines
« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2015, 12:32:12 AM »
I just found a BB CE06870  3   with a starter flan stamp of T099 ...it appears GM waited to issue/assemble the block in June of 70,   i.e. if my speculation is correct...

The correct decode on this engine is that it is a CE engine from the 1970 model year (CE0).

The T099 by the starter area means it was machined and sent out of assembly plant in the 9th month of 1969 (September of 1969 - so this is part of the 1970 model year).
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Re: Warranty Engines
« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2015, 12:37:24 AM »
Thought only 302s came from Flint?

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Re: Warranty Engines
« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2015, 03:45:55 AM »
I *think* you meant that '.. 302's ONLY come from Flint'...  but Flint did build other engines than 302's.. :)

PS.  I suspect the engine discussed (a *supposed* 302 CE engine built in Tonawanda) was NOT really assembled in Tonawanda 'as a 302', but instead someone found a compatible CE block (ie. a 327 ?)  from Tonawanda and *built* the 302 from it for their Z28...  (purely speculation, but it's the only way I can think of for the facts to be as presented)...
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