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Glass Norwood Los Angeles
« on: March 01, 2018, 12:50:30 AM »
Would there be a chance that a Norwood car might have glass from the Los Angeles glass plant, ie. glass ending in "10"? Referring to a late 1969 built car.
Thank you, Joe
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Re: Glass Norwood Los Angeles
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2018, 05:00:52 AM »
Can you explain your question a bit more?  ie..  that 'code ending in 10' ???    I'm unaware that the glass was coded for the plant installing it....?
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Re: Glass Norwood Los Angeles
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2018, 07:15:12 AM »
I think if you read the CRG glass dating page, in early 69 (January) each glass plant would also etch a code for the plant that produced the glass.
10 = Lathrop CA.

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Re: Glass Norwood Los Angeles
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2018, 11:28:32 AM »
Can you explain your question a bit more?  ie..  that 'code ending in 10' ???    I'm unaware that the glass was coded for the plant installing it....?
It wasn't the plant that installed the glass. It was the plant that manufactured the glass. My quarters & back window are "IV" & my RH door is "TV10". The TV10 glass was made at the LA glass plant & my car was built in Norwood on Aug 28, 1969 so all those dates work. I've questioned the door glass. Last night I ran into another guy who has TV10 glass in his 09D Norwood car. After reading the article Austin posted, I'm thinking both cars could be correct.....Joe
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Re: Glass Norwood Los Angeles
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2018, 04:02:39 PM »
I think if you read the CRG glass dating page, in early 69 (January) each glass plant would also etch a code for the plant that produced the glass.
10 = Lathrop CA.

http://www.camaros.org/glass.shtml

Not entirely correct; maybe you missed this part..  :)   

 "...The "-xx" suffix on the LOF date code is the plant code. "-10" indicates the source was the Plant 10 Lathrope, CA LOF facility that supplied primarily the Van Nuys, CA Camaro assembly line. A "blank" code (no plant code) was used by Plant 8 that supplied all windshields to both Camaro factories, as well as tempered glass primarily to the Norwood, OH assembly line. "

I've never seen a glass date with a 'glass plant' code (on my '50s - 60's cars), but then we don't see too many VN/LA produced cars here, which is why I asked the question about the '10' referenced in an earlier post...  :)    Oh..  and the CRG glass section I believe has been updated fairly recently (since I read it)...
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Re: Glass Norwood Los Angeles
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2018, 04:32:19 PM »
My 08E Nor car has TV10 glass.
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Re: Glass Norwood Los Angeles
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2018, 05:45:49 PM »
Kelley. Does yours have TV10 on all glass or does it follow the same as mine? Your car was built the same day as mine. Thank you, Joe
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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2018, 06:44:02 PM »
If I remember correctly TV10 was passenger side rear glass I think. I wrote it down but it is at my home shop.
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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2018, 09:47:29 PM »
Kelley. Could you maybe take a look when you get home please? Thank you, Joe
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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2018, 02:27:06 PM »
Did not get to it yesterday. I will post all the glass dates this weekend.
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2018, 10:34:52 PM »
The CRG glass report says Lathrope primarily supplied Van Nuys, so presumably it could also have supplied other assembly plants.
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Re: Glass Norwood Los Angeles
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2018, 02:28:45 AM »
Did not get to it yesterday. I will post all the glass dates this weekend.
That would be great. Thanks again Kelley....Joe
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Re: Glass Norwood Los Angeles
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2018, 05:29:08 AM »
It's mostly the Aug 69 cars. I had one (08E) with XV-10 on the right 1/4. All the other glass was 'normal'.
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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2018, 12:24:21 PM »
Finally checked my 08E car. All glass has IV except the passenger door glass TV 10. Front and rear not original. All are Soft Ray LOF. I think Austin,s car is the same.
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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2018, 02:17:48 PM »
Thank you for taking the time to look Kelley.....Joe
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Re: Glass Norwood Los Angeles
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2018, 05:52:38 PM »
For my 08C (late 69). My glass is as follows both door glass (XV-10), same for my drivers (LH ) quarter glass. Passenger side (RH) quarter glass looks to just have (IV), and then my back window is (NV-10). (Sorry I do not have the original windshield)
So all of my glass is from the Lathrop Plant except my passenger quarter glass, but maybe I just couldn't see it in my pics. I will check in a few months when I am in front of the car.

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Re: Glass Norwood Los Angeles
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2018, 07:51:54 PM »
For my 08C (late 69). My glass is as follows both door glass (XV-10), same for my drivers (LH ) quarter glass. Passenger side (RH) quarter glass looks to just have (IV), and then my back window is (NV-10). (Sorry I do not have the original windshield)
So all of my glass is from the Lathrop Plant except my passenger quarter glass, but maybe I just couldn't see it in my pics. I will check in a few months when I am in front of the car.

Austin, Isn't that car a Norwood car???   with all that Kalifornia glass in it?  :)  ...   Kurt apparently knows something about late  August car from Norwood having LA glass?  That would be an interesting story I think...?  Kurt?
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Re: Glass Norwood Los Angeles
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2018, 08:11:47 PM »
For my 08C (late 69). My glass is as follows both door glass (XV-10), same for my drivers (LH ) quarter glass. Passenger side (RH) quarter glass looks to just have (IV), and then my back window is (NV-10). (Sorry I do not have the original windshield)
So all of my glass is from the Lathrop Plant except my passenger quarter glass, but maybe I just couldn't see it in my pics. I will check in a few months when I am in front of the car.

Austin, Isn't that car a Norwood car???   with all that Kalifornia glass in it?  :)  ...   Kurt apparently knows something about late  August car from Norwood having LA glass?  That would be an interesting story I think...?  Kurt?
I agree...Joe
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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2018, 09:23:21 PM »
I only know because I'm the only one who records all these stupid details and can sort them.....
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« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2018, 10:11:19 PM »
I only know because I'm the only one who records all these stupid details and can sort them.....
That's funny :)
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Re: Glass Norwood Los Angeles
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2018, 10:27:46 PM »
So from your data Kurt was there a batch of August cars you have seen with  California glass? Maybe Norwood was running short? Were the other cars soft ray glass as well?
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« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2018, 10:41:05 PM »
August being in the timeframe that the plants would normally be switching (or have switched) to the next model year production, I wonder if that has something to do with it...  and I still recall 'car magazine articles' that referenced a 'strike' that would delay 70 production (although I realize that has been somewhat debunked over the years here in this forum).  Does someone have a 'best guess' as to why the Norwood plant would have been without their normal glass supplier for a few weeks in August '69??
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« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2018, 11:59:17 PM »
August being in the timeframe that the plants would normally be switching (or have switched) to the next model year production, I wonder if that has something to do with it...  and I still recall 'car magazine articles' that referenced a 'strike' that would delay 70 production (although I realize that has been somewhat debunked over the years here in this forum).  Does someone have a 'best guess' as to why the Norwood plant would have been without their normal glass supplier for a few weeks in August '69??
Gary. Is your car a 09C 69? Maybe if it is you could post some of you date codes. I'm looking at some glass in Phoenix that came from an 09D car & so far one piece of his is the same as mine.....Joe
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« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2018, 02:39:35 AM »
 I can give you a "possible" explanation. When we build out a model. Gm would give us the final total needed. That is what we would produce about 3 weeks to 4 weeks ahead. Its possible Rossford did not have the second Gen contract and were busy producing whatever replacement contract they got to take its place "OR" spent three weeks producing the second Gen glass. Our plant (Collingwood opened in 1968 and did not temper glass until 1970 I believe) Its likely Lathrope was going to produce all the aftermarket glass and was still in production and in the mad scramble to build more 69's was the only option for three weeks while Rossford got there production schedules in order to start production again.
   You can imagine this was a nightmare scenario for all parts suppliers.
   Again only a possible explanation.

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« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2018, 04:31:13 AM »
That was my guess on it also Rick...

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« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2018, 05:53:30 AM »
August being in the timeframe that the plants would normally be switching (or have switched) to the next model year production, I wonder if that has something to do with it...  and I still recall 'car magazine articles' that referenced a 'strike' that would delay 70 production (although I realize that has been somewhat debunked over the years here in this forum).  Does someone have a 'best guess' as to why the Norwood plant would have been without their normal glass supplier for a few weeks in August '69??
Gary. Is your car a 09C 69? Maybe if it is you could post some of you date codes. I'm looking at some glass in Phoenix that came from an 09D car & so far one piece of his is the same as mine.....Joe

OK..   side glass codes were not in my document listing, although I know I've noted them several times before, so I went down and got them again (2 trips up/down the 19 steps!).. :)

Windshield:    Front and rear glass dated TV (Aug '69).  Car build date:  18 Sep 69
- Installed when I purchased it in April 76:  (PPG Windshield - with wiper scrapes):
     Sunshade, SOLEX, PPG Duplate, Laminated, AS1 M30 69, DOT 15/18??
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   Shaded, Soft-Ray, Safety LOF Plate,  AS-1  TV,  Laminated, DOT 15  M6

Rear Glass:   Soft-Ray, Safety LOF FLO-Lite,  AS-2   TV,  Solid Tempered,  DOT 15 M75
Driver Door:  Soft-Ray, Safety LOF FLO-Lite, AS-2   IV,  Solid Tempered, DOT 15 M74
Drvr Side Qtr:  Soft-Ray, Safety LOF FLO-Lite, AS-2   IV,  Solid Tempered, DOT 15 M75??

Passenger Door:  Soft-Ray, Safety LOF FLO-Lite, AS-2   IV,  Solid Tempered, DOT 15 M75
Pass side qtr:   Soft-Ray, Safety LOF FLO-Lite, AS-2   IV, Solid Tempered, DOT 15 M75 ?

All the sideglass was dated 'IV' (June '69), The M74/75 was difficult to read on the side glass as it was below the belt line... that's why the ???...
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Re: Glass Norwood Los Angeles
« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2018, 06:56:44 AM »
There's not a huge amount of glass data, but the CA glass shows up in 68 and 69. 4 different months in 69.
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« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2018, 09:27:53 AM »
Plausible theory, since Van Nuys stopped production of '69 Camaros well before August, and Norwood continued into November, that Lathrope was manufacturing for spare inventory and sent some glass to NOR assembly when demand required.
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« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2018, 11:38:08 AM »
So Gary. None of your glass had the 10 after the letters, like TV10? Thank you for posting your information...Joe
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« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2018, 03:29:55 PM »
So Gary. None of your glass had the 10 after the letters, like TV10? Thank you for posting your information...Joe

No, and I don't recall ever seeing extensions to the glass date code (not on the Classic Chevys I have, nor Corvettes, or the Camaro(s)... which is why I had questioned the '10' notation in a prior posting of this thread.

PS.  I've never JUDGED Camaros at the Nationals, so if I had I might not be able to say that!  :)   
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Re: Glass Norwood Los Angeles
« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2018, 03:57:37 PM »
Here's a picture of "California" glass...Joe
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