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Hemmings Article on Scammers/Cloners BUSTED!
« on: December 12, 2017, 02:35:07 PM »
Interesting article... maybe things will begin to change if a couple of scammers go to PRISON!  :)

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2012/08/01/chevelle-corvette-cloners-busted-charged-with-felonies/

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Re: Hemmings Article on Scammers/Cloners BUSTED!
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2017, 02:41:30 PM »
Gary, that article was written 5 years ago and fraud is STILL rampant. It's never going to change since the chances of actually getting caught is slim. Dealers and (for the most part) auction houses take no responsibility for the accuracy of what they sell and we all know ebay is a joke. Crime in this country is so out of control that the authorities have no time to investigate fraudulent cars.

As an example, a few years ago there was a seller that had a fairly nice numbers matching 1968 LF7 (327/210) Coupe on ebay. It sold and a few months later surfaced again on ebay this time as a numbers matching SS 350! I contacted the seller and found out through a lot of detective work that he purchased the car using one ebay identity and sold it under a different one. At that time I was a ebay power user (whatever the heck that was), and had a phone number I could call and speak to an actual human being!! We discovered that particular ebay user had 3 different accounts. Not against ebay policy by the way, so there wasn't anything I could do.

However, armed with the original ebay auction information (pictures and description) and the fake SS 350 auction information (pictures and description), I contacted his local police and they told me that they didn't have the time or the manpower to investigate fake cars. That's when I realized that no one seems to care anymore.

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Re: Hemmings Article on Scammers/Cloners BUSTED!
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2017, 02:55:27 PM »
Ed,  You're probably right... but at 69 yrs old (and being a skeptic of most things these days), I still hold onto a hope that ultimately 'Right' will win out...  and we do have to keep trying!  :)
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Re: Hemmings Article on Scammers/Cloners BUSTED!
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2017, 03:32:15 PM »
Ed,  You're probably right... but at 69 yrs old (and being a skeptic of most things these days), I still hold onto a hope that ultimately 'Right' will win out...  and we do have to keep trying!  :)

Gary, I agree with you 100% on this topic! 
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Re: Hemmings Article on Scammers/Cloners BUSTED!
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2017, 04:34:27 PM »
I had a new neighbor stop one day when I had the Z out. He said he worked for the Ohio Highway Patrol and investigated stolen cars and if I saw anything on craigslist in ohio where someone was selling tampered with cars to let him know. He had some great stories. The one I remember was about a mustang that was in Virginia or somewhere in that area that had been a shell hanging in a restaurant. The buyer went to register it and the found out the title was for a car that wasnt even a ford. So OHP got involved. It had changed hands twice and the original guy never had a title, the 2nd guy added it. So the ohio guy, he had lied on his purchase price.  The nieghbor said they asked him on 2 occasions what he paid for it and it kept going up!!  So he implicated himself and now was without a car!!  He didnt know what they did to him. I dont think they would have thought anything about the price but if I remember right, they said why would you pay 7500 for a shell of a car thinking that was too high and they guy said I paid like 12000!!
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