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ebay 69Z buyer beware.
« on: September 13, 2017, 03:17:01 AM »
I would be ashamed to show a close up of that trans and partial VIN block stamp.
"1969 Chevrolet Camaro RS/ Z28 has the correct DZ 302 C.I. (290 HP) V8, I don't know if it's a numbers matching"

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VIN 124379N577414
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Re: ebay 69Z buyer beware.
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2017, 03:36:54 AM »
Might as well just write it in Crayon.

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Re: ebay 69Z buyer beware.
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2017, 04:56:52 AM »
I have seen some block stamps that were somewhat similar to that * except that sideways 4.
While not typical I was not quick to rule it out as original.

Now the trans stamp does look ground down, and restamped to me.
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Re: ebay 69Z buyer beware.
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2017, 01:22:31 PM »
I noticed the clutch pedal looks bent. wonder how you do that??
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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2017, 01:47:07 PM »
The fact that he photographed and showed those questionable items perhaps indicates that he purchased the car that way, and had no personal knowledge of the issues... restamp or not...

I thought the front end was sitting a little high also... the restorer probably bought the same new springs as everyone else does... :)

Questions and issues aside...  'Has there EVER been a more beautiful color combination'???    :)

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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2017, 03:43:30 PM »
'Has there EVER been a more beautiful color combination'???    :)




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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2017, 06:10:27 PM »
The fact that he photographed and showed those questionable items perhaps indicates that he purchased the car that way, and had no personal knowledge of the issues... restamp or not...

I thought the front end was sitting a little high also... the restorer probably bought the same new springs as everyone else does... :)

Questions and issues aside...  'Has there EVER been a more beautiful color combination'???    :)


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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2017, 07:13:10 PM »
Ah, those orange/black RS 69 Z's are a dime a dozen!  ;D
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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2017, 07:55:13 PM »
too early for trick or treat
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2017, 03:28:36 PM »
The engine and trans stamps look original. Someone just added the hokey VIN stamps....
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2017, 05:50:03 PM »
While I would agree he trans looks ground down and re-stamped, the motor does not look like it has been. So how would they have re-stamped the motor VIN stamp then?
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2017, 08:48:15 PM »
A little bit of knowledge is dangerous. Hard to explain how a car final-assembled around January 13, 1969 received an engine built 39 weeks later.

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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2017, 09:17:54 PM »
According to the ebay ad, Sold  $47,000.00  Sept 18, 2017
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2017, 09:53:31 PM »
From the ad:

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I don't know if it's a numbers matching...

This is ebay speak for "it's not".

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True X33, RS/Z28 Camaro

And yet no picture of the trim tag. Wonder why that is!

And yes, it sold, but look at the buyer. Zero feedback. It'll be back, mark my words.

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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2017, 10:06:23 PM »
Good point. It probably will
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« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2017, 12:09:34 AM »
A little bit of knowledge is dangerous.


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« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2017, 11:03:01 AM »
You were right Ed.  It didn't take long.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/152713578344?ul_noapp=true
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« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2017, 04:27:22 PM »
Yep. Possible shill bidding? I reported the old auction and invite others to do the same.

To report shill bidding:

Shill bidding is where the seller uses another account to bid on their own item to increase the price and they should be reported.
On the listing page which you are reporting you need to click on the blue Report Item,(above the Item number and to the right of the Description and Postage tabs.
Click on the arrow on the Report Category box,(it will bring up a drop down menu).
Click on: Listing Practices
Then click on the next box: Reason for Report and select Fraudulent listing activities.
Then on the Detailed Reason select seller is using other accounts to inflate item price.
Then click continue.
Then once the box with the listing number comes up,click send report.

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« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2017, 08:10:04 PM »
Thanks Ed and John, I will report.
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« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2017, 08:39:05 PM »
Actually, if you look at the new auction it appears to ALSO have shill bidders? I've reported that one as well.

However, I HIGHLY doubt ebay will do anything. They don't seem to care anymore.

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« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2017, 11:45:17 PM »
"The fact that he photographed and showed those questionable items perhaps indicates that he purchased the car that way, and had no personal knowledge of the issues... restamp or not.."

Rule of thumb: Whenever a seller starts "playing stupid", be doubly suspicious!
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« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2017, 01:35:46 AM »
How do you know they are shill bidders ?

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« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2017, 02:29:44 AM »
Charley, while there's no definitive way to detect shill bidders, a big hint is the feedback the bidders have. Someone with zero or very low numbers is a pretty good indicator. Especially with a seller that also has low numbers.

In this case, the winner of the original auction had zero feedback and as stated above, the car was back on ebay a few days later. This is a very good indication that the seller is using shill bidders.

Even in the last auction, there were four bidders with very little feedback. While the winning bidder had 567 feedbacks, the price of the car may have been driven up by shill bidding.

If you look at the winning bidder in the first auction (i***r), it sold for $47,000 but came back again a few days later. If you look at the second auction, _***e  went up to $38,300 but didn't meet reserve. However, if you look at the seller's feedback, it sold to r***c (who didn't bid in EITHER auction) for a best offer which was under $45,500. Not impossible, but strange none the less.

But like I said, there's no way to know for sure, but it's a HUGE red flag when people with little or no feedback start bidding. And of course, all of this may be on the up and up, but it's not what I would call the "norm" for ebay auctions.

As an aside, HERE'S a link regarding the car when it was on ebay back in 2015. The ebay auction no longer has the pictures, but the important ones are still in the TC thread.

And as always, this is just my opinion and in no way does this reflect the opinion of the Camaro Research Group.

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« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2017, 05:44:40 AM »
I am aware of the almost no feedback bidders probably being shills or scammers but that most recent auction had mostly high feedback bidders.

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« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2017, 02:18:04 PM »
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I am aware of the almost no feedback bidders probably being shills or scammers but that most recent auction had mostly high feedback bidders.

And like I said, it could be on the up and up. However, when I posted that comment above, the low feedback bidders were the only bidders. But they may have been "newbies" trying to get a deal. That happens all the time too. Not so much on auctions with reserves, but mostly without.

HERE'S ebays shill bidding policy, and HERE'S some good reading on how to detect shill bidders. And unfortunately, HERE'S an article on ebays "relaxed" policy regarding shill bidding.

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