Author Topic: 1969 early L.A. cars (Read 12912 times)

BULLITT65 · « **on:** July 06, 2017, 07:04:46 PM »

So I have been meaning to start this thread for a little while now. I know there are many differences for the early production cars vs. late. I also wanted to see if there are many differences between early L.A. cars vs. Norwood.

One thing I noticed recently is my 10B L.A. car which has a 711 interior code, (black standard), and has metal seat belt buckles, where my 08C (late 69) norwood car, with the same interior code has plastic. Also both cars have the Z23 option.

ko-lek-tor · « **Reply #1 on:** July 06, 2017, 07:25:40 PM »

not sure, but I thought there was an option A39? those metal seat belt buckles were an option upgrade.

bertfam · « **Reply #2 on:** July 06, 2017, 07:26:22 PM »

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One thing I noticed recently is my 10B L.A. car which has a 711 interior code, (black standard), and has metal seat belt buckles, where my 08C (late 69) norwood car, with the same interior code has plastic. Also both cars have the Z23 option.

Z23 has nothing to do with the seat belts. EVERY car came with the standard (plastic buckle) belts unless RPO A39, AK1 or ZK3 was ordered. (More info HERE)

As for differences between early, mid and late, and differences between L.A. and Norwood, there are literally dozens and dozens!. Most small and minor, but a few major.

Ed

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 06, 2017, 07:37:52 PM »

OK, was A39, a stand alone option, or was it used in conjunction with any other options? Also is the dates on the seat belts all line up with the car, is there any other way to check that these were original to this car?

bertfam · « **Reply #4 on:** July 06, 2017, 08:04:39 PM »

Deluxe belts weren't required with any other option, so yes, they were stand alone. If your belts are original, the dates should be close to the cars build.

Ed

HOT3O2 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 06, 2017, 08:33:20 PM »

My deluxe belts on my 12B LA built car are dated 48 (week).

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 06, 2017, 10:35:14 PM »

Rick do you have deluxe interior? or was yours a stand alone option?

HOT3O2 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 06, 2017, 10:49:35 PM »

It has the deluxe interior.

cook_dw · « **Reply #8 on:** July 06, 2017, 11:38:02 PM »

Austin it doesn't matter if the car had deluxe or standard interior.. The seat belts was a separate option. You could get deluxe interior with standard belts. Ricks just happen to have been optioned with deluxe interior and deluxe seat belts..

That's what Ed means by stand alone..

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 07, 2017, 12:00:01 AM »

I thought it was stand alone, and also included with the deluxe interior, like the wood steering wheel, but now I understand.

KurtS · « **Reply #10 on:** July 07, 2017, 03:47:02 AM »

Ed linked above to my article that explains it.
http://www.camaros.org/seatbelt.shtml

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 07, 2017, 04:00:08 AM »

thanks for the link. it seems like production was pretty low for the deluxe seat belts. Is there any breakdown by color for the deluxe belts for each year?

bertfam · « **Reply #12 on:** July 07, 2017, 01:58:08 PM »

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Is there any breakdown by color for the deluxe belts for each year?

Not unless Paul (fsc66) has something in the "good book"!

Ed

jdv69z · « **Reply #13 on:** July 07, 2017, 02:48:51 PM »

Interesting. Now I've got my marketing stick if I ever sell my Z. "Equipped with rare ZK3 deluxe seat belt option".

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 15, 2017, 03:41:37 PM »

Ok in sticking with this L.A. theme and early cars in general. I noticed on my 10B (early) white car that the radiator hoses which I thought were replacements have codes stamped into the rubber (no white ink) that correlate to the original GM white stamped (not pressed into the rubber) hoses. ( which I have a set of GM originals on my late 69 car, that are identical to Skips orange Z).

So for the early 69 car, I have the different numbers stamped in them and then a AU code on one, and then a AG code on the other. Has anyone else seen hoses like these?
Could this have been original but through a different supplier that was used earlier in the model year, or just at the L.A. plant?

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 27, 2021, 11:14:11 PM »

So A guy on the 69 L.A. registry posted about a 69Z car he had. When he removed the headliner he found a "red tag", which was written "Z/28", has anyone else seen this before?

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 27, 2021, 11:27:31 PM »

the tag:

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 27, 2021, 11:32:09 PM »

He also had found the broadcast copy above the gas tank. It says "stripes to be black" on the bottom of the BC. Car was a - - special paint car.

KurtS · « **Reply #18 on:** January 28, 2021, 05:25:08 PM »

Car appears to be hugger orange, so that was to override the default white stripe color.

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 28, 2021, 05:48:09 PM »

thank you for pointing that out.
Any ideas regarding the "red tag"? Some guys on the FB thread suspected it was a way for LA to identify a Z/28 going down the line?

HOT3O2 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 28, 2021, 06:34:38 PM »

Do you have a link to that FB thread?

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 28, 2021, 06:43:00 PM »

try this: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2513646002231546/permalink/2735217273407750/?comment_id=2735896630006481
you may have to scroll down to find the post

KurtS · « **Reply #22 on:** January 28, 2021, 08:52:50 PM »

No idea, esp where it was found.

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 28, 2021, 08:56:24 PM »

Well I thought to myself why would they need that when they have the broadcast copy. Would John Hinkley have an idea on this or was he only at Norwood? Any LA plant workers on here?

HOT3O2 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 28, 2021, 09:43:50 PM »

Thanks Bullitt, They sure want a lot of information just to join.

GMAD_Van Nuys · « **Reply #25 on:** January 28, 2021, 10:34:18 PM »

I didn't work at Van Nuys until the second generation Camaros and Firebirds were being built, but recall that even tags at that time had some sort of number so they could be inventoried. I remember when we used scales to weigh fasteners during inventory when the containers had been opened.

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #26 on:** January 28, 2021, 10:37:50 PM »

Hey Rick, I am a member of both groups (69 camaro LA registry, and the 69 Z/28 specific LA/ Norwood registry) We also started a 69Z registry over on meWe (FB alternative). Questions are more or less to sort out the guys that post spam. You can always send me a PM, and I can get you in. 😉

GMAD- did you guys ever use a red tag like that for cars going down the line?

GMAD_Van Nuys · « **Reply #27 on:** January 28, 2021, 10:50:02 PM »

BULLITT65 - I can't remember seeing anything but a broadcast sheet, which on the 3rd generation F-car was called a manifest, on cars coming down the assembly line at Van Nuys. An operator only had about a minute to complete a task on the assembly line, so things were done at a rapid pace.

fsc66 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 28, 2021, 11:29:26 PM »

Deluxe Belts: just totals for A39 and ZK3, not even an ECL list just says (All) for each.
Sometimes the good book isn’t so good......

KurtS · « **Reply #29 on:** January 29, 2021, 05:17:57 AM »

Quote from: BULLITT65 on January 28, 2021, 08:56:24 PM

Well I thought to myself why would they need that when they have the broadcast copy. Would John Hinkley have an idea on this or was he only at Norwood? Any LA plant workers on here?

You should reread the assembly article.
Fisher / Body side vs Chevrolet. The body side never saw the broadcast sheets.

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #30 on:** January 29, 2021, 07:24:43 AM »

so if there wasn't anything Z/28 specific done to the bodies on the fisher side, but if the red tag was under the headliner, why would fisher need to know a car was a Z/28?

fiveforty · « **Reply #31 on:** January 29, 2021, 03:28:59 PM »

Did you notice the wire on it, maybe was on a component and got stuck in there somehow during body assembly. It was actually between the roof insulation and front windshield support

69Z28-RS · « **Reply #32 on:** January 29, 2021, 03:50:55 PM »

workers on the line sometimes hid 'surprises'...

bcmiller · « **Reply #33 on:** January 29, 2021, 05:18:52 PM »

Gary is probably right.

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #34 on:** September 28, 2021, 08:53:46 AM »

So I thought I would add this update. Warren Malkin jr. located these on a LA built 04A 69Z survivor that he has. He told me he thinks they were located under the original carpet, not the headliner, since the original headliner is still intact. the red tag looks similar

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #35 on:** September 28, 2021, 08:56:39 AM »

and here is the red tag:

firstgenaddict · « **Reply #36 on:** September 28, 2021, 03:51:16 PM »

Nice... I have seen similar carpet tags on Norwood cars - the carpets I have seen in Norwood built cars were made by JP Stevens.

GMAD_Van Nuys · « **Reply #37 on:** September 28, 2021, 05:31:24 PM »

When it was possible, GM would buy from local suppliers as the cost to build vehicles at Van Nuys was higher than Norwood due to shipping parts to the West Coast. We were still paying invoices to all suppliers at the Van Nuys Plant when the second generation Camaro/Firebird were being built and I was surprised to find that the Checker Motor Company built the frame rails.

News:

Author Topic: 1969 early L.A. cars (Read 12912 times)