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Engine Pad Stamps
« on: May 22, 2017, 11:44:06 PM »
Are these engine pad stamps original?



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Re: Engine Pad Stamps
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2017, 12:26:07 AM »
 I am not an expert but there is something else stamped behind the M and it "looks" like it has been ground sideways to the broach marks behind the MO. The experts will certainly chime in on this to as I don't like the fonts on the VIN. But l know little about LA stamps

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Re: Engine Pad Stamps
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2017, 12:28:50 AM »
I would have to compare it to some others later (busy now) but I don't see anything too concerning at first glance. 
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2017, 02:18:50 AM »
Don't follow the '68 numbers as much as '69, but the gap between the 'L' and '3' in the partial VIN is unusual.
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Re: Engine Pad Stamps
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2017, 03:59:09 AM »
The VIN stamp and the V0831 is definitely original. Not sure on the MO - probably is.....
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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2017, 04:52:52 AM »
The examples I have don't help much on evaluation of the MO portion of the stamping.  If I could see it in person, I might be able to tell more.  I can't give a thumbs up or thumbs down. But...the overall condition of the pad surface just looks a bit odd to me. 

I agree, the partial VIN portion is definitely original, based on some examples I have.
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Re: Engine Pad Stamps
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2017, 12:16:36 PM »
Do we have any other details about the block? Anything written on the side? Casting number and casting date? Any original 302 parts with it?
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Re: Engine Pad Stamps
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2017, 12:56:46 PM »
So it appears that the MO is not aligned with the other 5 characters in the stamp. I guess that's not unusual?
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« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2017, 02:57:28 PM »
I can't get into details, but there is variance in this general time period.
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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2017, 03:15:24 PM »
Understood.
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Re: Engine Pad Stamps
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2017, 04:20:55 PM »
Thanks to everyone who replied! :)

Do we have any other details about the block? Anything written on the side? Casting number and casting date? Any original 302 parts with it?

Bryon, it's a bare block so we only have the casting number (3914678) and the casting date (H 24 7).

Since it appears to be original, I have posted the information in the Orphans section...

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=15654.0

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Re: Engine Pad Stamps
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2017, 04:28:16 PM »
Anything legible in regards to it possibly having 302 written on it under the orange paint?
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« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2017, 04:43:58 PM »
Anything legible in regards to it possibly having 302 written on it under the orange paint?

Not from the photos in the eBay listing.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/272682451475?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

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Re: Engine Pad Stamps
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2017, 07:36:52 PM »
Buy it now price of $3300 seems a bit high.
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Re: Engine Pad Stamps
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2017, 02:12:29 AM »
The "O"'s in the engine date/code appear to be different. One is wider than the other.

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Re: Engine Pad Stamps
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2017, 02:18:59 AM »
The "O"'s in the engine date/code appear to be different. One is wider than the other.

That's not unusual.
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Re: Engine Pad Stamps
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2017, 02:39:51 AM »
The "O"'s in the engine date/code appear to be different. One is wider than the other.

The first "O" is a zero, so they are different characters. One zero and one "O". Just like when I type it, V0831MO. :)

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Re: Engine Pad Stamps
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2017, 03:52:06 PM »
Odd that they would care enough to be that critical about something like that when not much later you start to see stamps with the letter  "I" substituted for the number "1"

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Re: Engine Pad Stamps
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2017, 04:07:53 PM »
I suspect the capital letter I was used more when the number 1 was in short supply. If a lot of ones were being used in the stampers, I was substituted. The letter O was not used in a lot of engine stamped codes.
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Re: Engine Pad Stamps
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2017, 02:01:35 PM »
The "O"'s in the engine date/code appear to be different. One is wider than the other.

One is a letter, the other a numeral. The position and font of the MO suffix is correct - seen this on many examples, including the original I have in the garage. Appears legit -

JMO - 

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Re: Engine Pad Stamps
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2017, 04:16:01 PM »
Looks to me like the date was done with one stamp, the MO with a another. But that's a total guess on my part.
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« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2017, 03:03:44 AM »
Looks to me like the date was done with one stamp, the MO with a another. But that's a total guess on my part.

Certainly appears that way - most verified original ones I've seen have the suffix a little off, like it was a second gang stamp.   
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Re: Engine Pad Stamps
« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2017, 12:40:19 PM »
If I remember reading correctly, (my memory is suspect) I think John Z indicated that at Norwood they would make a stamp each day for every engine combination to be run with the date/engine code. What if it was done differently at LA such that they used 2 stamps, one for the date, the other for the engine suffix. They would only have to make up one date stamp each day, and not a stamp for every date/engine code. Just a thought.
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Re: Engine Pad Stamps
« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2017, 01:03:01 PM »
Jimmy only the partial VINs were stamped at Norwood or LA, the engine assembly plants (Flint or Tonawanda) stamped the dated application code.
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Re: Engine Pad Stamps
« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2017, 01:07:38 PM »
Jimmy only the partial VINs were stamped at Norwood or LA, the engine assembly plants (Flint or Tonawanda) stamped the dated application code so they should have been consistent.
And to add to what Tim stated, the engine suffix was stamped on the deck before the heads were mounted (at least for BB's....not sure about SB's), which would explain how some stamps can be so close to the heads that would otherwise make it impossible for a gang stamp to reach.

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Re: Engine Pad Stamps
« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2017, 01:19:37 PM »
That's right, my bad! Told you my memory was suspect.  :)
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Re: Engine Pad Stamps
« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2017, 03:14:17 PM »
I was thinking on the SB, that it was stamped with the heads on, and thats why some are a partial or stamped twice by the engine plant
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Re: Engine Pad Stamps
« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2017, 01:18:54 AM »
I was thinking on the SB, that it was stamped with the heads on, and thats why some are a partial or stamped twice by the engine plant

Pretty sure you're correct. Most small block stamps I've ever seen are far enough down on the edge to clear the stamp holder from the front face of the head, sometimes almost running off the pad. Big blocks have a core plug on the left side of the head over the pad: no way to get a stamp there unless you pull the core plug, which would be extremely difficult. That's why the engine code is on the side under the plug (before the heads were assembled to the block), and the VIN on pad stamped cars is in the clear (assembly plant stamping) on the open side of the pad. Makes sense -

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Re: Engine Pad Stamps
« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2017, 03:28:13 AM »
I have no idea if that's a cause for 'double stamps', but JohnZ has stated previously that small blocks were stamped after the heads were installed...
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Re: Engine Pad Stamps
« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2017, 05:14:22 AM »
That's not the reason for the double stamps, in my opinion. And double stamps are not that common.
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Re: Engine Pad Stamps
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2017, 11:39:56 PM »
I have no idea if that's a cause for 'double stamps', but JohnZ has stated previously that small blocks were stamped after the heads were installed...

I was thinking on the SB, that it was stamped with the heads on, and thats why some are a partial or stamped twice by the engine plant

Pretty sure you're correct. Most small block stamps I've ever seen are far enough down on the edge to clear the stamp holder from the front face of the head, sometimes almost running off the pad. Big blocks have a core plug on the left side of the head over the pad: no way to get a stamp there unless you pull the core plug, which would be extremely difficult. That's why the engine code is on the side under the plug (before the heads were assembled to the block), and the VIN on pad stamped cars is in the clear (assembly plant stamping) on the open side of the pad. Makes sense -

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