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william

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Caveat Emptor...forget something?
« on: April 26, 2017, 04:06:17 PM »
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-/122464298706?hash=item1c8370e6d2:g:tqQAAOSwBOtY~5a8&vxp=mtr

Sold for $88,000 at B-J FL a few weeks ago. The auction description mentions [twice] a "...restamped restoration engine" based on a CHP inspection. The ebay ad states: 100% NUMBERS MATCHING DRIVE TRAIN, 302-290 HP "DZ" ENGINE.

You be the judge.

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Re: Caveat Emptor...forget something?
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2017, 04:16:17 PM »
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HERE'S the BJ auction and the description:

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Lot #664 - Finished in Rally Green with black vinyl roof and interior, this Z/28 was sold to Arden Flower of Grand Rapids, MI, by C. Bell Chevrolet in Grand Rapids, MI. The original Window Sticker lists the following original equipment: tinted glass, vinyl roof, center console, posi-traction 4.10 rear end, power disc brakes, 4-speed close-ratio transmission, electric clock, AM radio, special ducted hood and Z/28 special performance equipment. It's equipped with the original transmission and rear end and powered by a restamped restoration engine. Documentation includes original Protect-O-Plate, Window Sticker, dealer sales order, installment sales contract, owner's manual and owner information and history. This Z/28 was found in a Jerry MacNeish publication. The professionally restored car features the original interior, matching-numbers transmission and rear end, and a restoration engine. The restoration was judged by Classic Chevy International and Worldwide Camaro Club February, 2010. It scored 993/1000 points, taking First Place in Restored Class. Received a special award for First Place Best Interior. The restoration is outstanding. The owner history, original documentation and recent judging make this stock Z/28 great. A full Jerry MacNeish report from December 2016 is included with the sale.

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Re: Caveat Emptor...forget something?
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2017, 04:44:04 PM »
SO as long as you stamp the engine with the right number that makes it numbers matching?!!
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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2017, 05:18:34 PM »
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SO as long as you stamp the engine with the right number that makes it numbers matching?!!

Apparently. And it also makes it worth $37k more than what they paid for it!!

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Re: Caveat Emptor...forget something?
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2017, 06:03:19 PM »
It is matching numbers..  Just not "born with" those numbers.. 


More of a resurrection...
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Re: Caveat Emptor...forget something?
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2017, 02:38:45 AM »
SO as long as you stamp the engine with the right number that makes it numbers matching?!!

If you put the right 'pretty words' on a turd...  some people will tell you that it smells good!
(I think McNeish is the entity that coined the current pretty phrase...  'restamped restoration engine'... apparently so he didn't have to call the turd a 'turd'... and maybe stop the $$ from flowing?
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Re: Caveat Emptor...forget something?
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2017, 04:00:51 PM »
I emailed him. He says he doesn't consider the motor as part of the drive train, and that his auction description was taken right from BJ, "word for word", which is BS.  It states twice in the BJ listing that it is a re-stamped restoration engine, and doesn't mention that at all in his listing. He said buyers need to ask him about the motor, then he will tell them it is a restamp. What a scammer! >:(
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Re: Caveat Emptor...forget something?
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2017, 04:35:55 PM »
Restamped Restoration Engine? Ughhh....   :(
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Re: Caveat Emptor...forget something?
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2017, 04:41:40 PM »
He says he doesn't consider the motor as part of the drive train


WTF!!  Moron...



 He needs to be...

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Re: Caveat Emptor...forget something?
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2017, 04:52:00 PM »
If the engine is not part of the DRIVE train what is?
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2017, 04:57:09 PM »
 Sounds like a politically correct, word playing li........

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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2017, 05:23:39 PM »
I was at the Palm Beach, BJ auction a few weeks ago and looked this car over. If I remember correctly the seller had a notebook full of pictures and ALL of the MacNeish report there to look through. Page two clearly stated that the engine was not the original. It also clearly stated it on the windshield description. So the seller at the auction was honest about the restamp.
Obviously the new owner is just another typical crooked scammer that conveniently only shows the "Certificate of Authenticity" page of JM's report and not the full report in there ad to deceive and try to make some quick money.  >:(

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Re: Caveat Emptor...forget something?
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2017, 08:07:18 PM »
 Emailed him on EBAY asking about re-stamped engine. He replied "thanks, are you an interested buyer"

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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2017, 08:19:18 PM »
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Emailed him on EBAY asking about re-stamped engine. He replied "thanks, are you an interested buyer"

Reply telling him you were until you read the BJ description and found out the engine is a restamp and NOT numbers matching as he's advertising it as!

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Re: Caveat Emptor...forget something?
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2017, 09:32:46 PM »
Looks like he changed his description a tad !  Now he should adjust his price  ;D
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