I agree. I would like to see more members, and even more traffic on the CRG. I would think a sub area for discussion and knowledge on shows would be helpful to those seeking it. For example if someone attended a Camaro nationals show and got a deduction for a certain area, there may be others in the know that could explain it. Or if someone was planning on going to a judged event (there could be a dedicated thread for each major show) he could look up others experiences, or see what members have chimed in about attending and maybe pick there brain about what they thought of the event.
I also think comparing and contrasting what a judge may perceive or recommend at a show vs. contradicting info from well known sources would prompt more discussion and may, in the end, promote clear conclusions and more agreement across the judging spectrum. I could see there being a disparity from a judge on the west coast vs a judge on the east coast based on the cars they have come into contact with, seeing more cars made at one plant vs. another.
Also super cars: IS there a judging class for these cars?
for instance a Dana car seen/judged at a cars how on the west coast vs. a Baldwin car on the east coast. A discussion on how those cars would be judged and what parameters or what is considered day 2 for those cars. While obviously not factory correct, these cars I think are a neat part of Camaro history, and I have not seen a great thread comparing what each of those dealers provided or offered and how many cars were made?
I guess to sum it up, I think another category like this could bring about new discussions by new people. While I may not get into the weeds on judging and shows, I still think it is interesting to a certain degree.
There is nothing to prevent those kinds of discussions now, Austin.. in fact, we DO have such discussions when someone raises a topic (generally after attending a Nationals event)..
I see 'actual factory originality' as the mission of this group, and I believe that's the way it should be. If one wants to build/restore/preserve his car to factory originality, then the 'Original' section here is the best place to get the information. The biggest 'issue' with that now is that there is no 'organization to it, and finding threads in the topic area you are interested can be difficult to find.
To me, specific deviation of a particular organization's judging determinations - from actual factory originality, are worth no more than a note in this group. If enough people *care*, then they can/should get a change in that organization's guidelines. I've judged original restored (and unrestored) classes in the old NNC, the NCRS, and the CCCI, and in my opinion the 'original' determination boils down to the individual judges opinion and that is why most organizations average the scores from 3 judges. Part of the reason for those judges having different opinions are the discrepancies in the factorys themselves...
PS. One problem with having a 'separate category' for JUDGING, is that some people would begin to associate how an organization 'judges' a part or category as 'ORIGINAL' (such as with the Camaro Association's allowing full points for base/clear urethane paint). We need to remember what the CRG basis is... ie. factory production originality... NOT some organization's understanding or allowance for points. AND.. there are a number of organizations and probably they all judge differently.