Author Topic: Help please 68 z28 leafs ? (Read 48383 times)

Tx-Z 302 · « **on:** March 08, 2017, 10:15:33 PM »

I finally got one of the leads off my 68 I found this car in a Ohio after looking at many photos I decided to gamble on it because it had many z28 clues. It has the muncie Speedo hole, rear bumper guards, 4 leaf leaf springs, 2 piece disk rotors, correct booster with wt cylinder, the hood header panel and the cowl panel have remnants of white stripes but very crackled and faded. The motor and trans were gone, owner statedhis sons drag raced the car and put " a big motor" and an automatic in it and does not know where the original engine is. The car has a 12 bolt BW rear housing with the gm 456 gears still in it. This is all I really knew about the car when I purchased it, other than it had been sitting in a pasture for 15 years unprotected. When it was delivered to me the floor pans were rusted through as well as the rest of the bottom edges of the fenders, quarters etc. It was very disheartening. What I did t know was it came with many parts and pieces in boxes , that included the correct intake but pitted ( did not know aluminum could pitt) the correct distributor, bell housing, exhaust manifolds also pitted, carb, flywheel assorted pulleys, and a stock steering wheel. I don't know if it's real z28 or not there's not paperwork, I do have the title but it doesn't specify Z28, it's a Norwood car delivered to bill conner chevy in muncie indiana. So now you guys know pretty much everything I know about this car. I finally got one of the rust pitted springs off it pitted pretty bad I'm going to post pics to get opinion on original or fake and whether or not to reuse or get repros ? Sorry it won't let me add my pics due to size. Any opinions still appreciated

69z28302 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 09, 2017, 02:23:10 AM »

Sounds promising. Try to get some pictures on here.

Color?

68camaroz28 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 09, 2017, 02:25:43 AM »

Quote from: Chris on March 08, 2017, 10:15:33 PM

I finally got one of the leads off my 68 I found this car in a Ohio after looking at many photos I decided to gamble on it because it had many z28 clues. It has the muncie Speedo hole, rear bumper guards, 4 leaf leaf springs, 2 piece disk rotors, correct booster with wt cylinder, the hood header panel and the cowl panel have remnants of white stripes but very crackled and faded. The motor and trans were gone, owner statedhis sons drag raced the car and put " a big motor" and an automatic in it and does not know where the original engine is. The car has a 12 bolt BW rear housing with the gm 456 gears still in it. This is all I really knew about the car when I purchased it, other than it had been sitting in a pasture for 15 years unprotected. When it was delivered to me the floor pans were rusted through as well as the rest of the bottom edges of the fenders, quarters etc. It was very disheartening. What I did t know was it came with many parts and pieces in boxes , that included the correct intake but pitted ( did not know aluminum could pitt) the correct distributor, bell housing, exhaust manifolds also pitted, carb, flywheel assorted pulleys, and a stock steering wheel. I don't know if it's real z28 or not there's not paperwork, I do have the title but it doesn't specify Z28, it's a Norwood car delivered to bill conner chevy in muncie indiana. So now you guys know pretty much everything I know about this car. I finally got one of the rust pitted springs off it pitted pretty bad I'm going to post pics to get opinion on original or fake and whether or not to reuse or get repros ? Sorry it won't let me add my pics due to size. Any opinions still appreciated

Camaro Specialties and Heartbeat City sell the 4 leaf very correct looking leaf spring assemblies. The issue I had with my originals was a main leaf cracked #1, and secondly how to give the leafs a new clean raw look. I looked at some restored cars with painted leafs and after some attempts of blasting with cast iron I decided to purchase the repro's and would do the same thing again. If the leaf spring assembly is badly pitted but is 4 leaf one thing to look at is a raised stamping on many of the leafs.
Good luck with the project and welcome aboard.

68camaroz28 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 09, 2017, 02:39:55 AM »

Here are a couple examples of the raised stamping.

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 09, 2017, 02:41:53 AM »

Welcome to the site and congrats on your purchase. Sounds like you have some good clues it may be an original Z.

Photos just need to be re-sized to under 200mb I beleive. You can resize them your self, by making them smaller, or changing the quality.

KurtS · « **Reply #5 on:** March 09, 2017, 06:38:10 AM »

Try Light Image Resizer. Free and works well. (Sounding like JohnZ....)

And Welcome!

cook_dw · « **Reply #6 on:** March 09, 2017, 11:44:46 AM »

Also if you open your pics in Microsoft Paint you can resize them there also. Welcome and if you still cant figure it out email the pics to me.

cook_dw"at"hotmail.com

Replace "at" with @

69Z28-RS · « **Reply #7 on:** March 09, 2017, 02:51:54 PM »

Quote from: KurtS on March 09, 2017, 06:38:10 AM

Try Light Image Resizer. Free and works well. (Sounding like JohnZ....)

And Welcome!

Hey!

Can I get in on that too (ie. sounding like JohnZ?)..

At John's recommendation several years ago, I downloaded and used the free 'Light Image Resizer', and I liked it so well that after a while I purchased the commercial version which I'm still using. TRY the free version, and if you like it.. the cost to purchase is not high...
I join JohnZ and Kurt in recommending it highly. It provides a great amount of compression with little loss of image quality using advanced image compression algorithms, and YOU control how much compression you need.

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 09, 2017, 10:31:02 PM »

Third times the charm they say trying pics after resizing 🤔

cook_dw · « **Reply #9 on:** March 10, 2017, 01:00:04 AM »

Can you post pics of the battery tray and core support area.

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 10, 2017, 01:17:48 AM »

wish i could daryl, but car was drag raced and baterry tray was not with car, battery had been placed in trunk. all the front had been taken apart before i bought car.

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 10, 2017, 03:12:43 AM »

i can only post 4 at a time?

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 10, 2017, 03:14:11 AM »

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 10, 2017, 03:15:49 AM »

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 10, 2017, 03:17:25 AM »

69Z28-RS · « **Reply #15 on:** March 10, 2017, 05:02:30 AM »

Those photos were resized to a point TOO SMALL to see any detail. Are you using Light Image Resizer? if so just choose 50% reduction to start (retaining image size and x/y scale.. if that results in larger than 200 kb, then resize again with 40% etc.

cook_dw · « **Reply #16 on:** March 10, 2017, 01:16:01 PM »

Email me the pics please.

cook_dw"at"hotmail.com

Replace "at" with @

68camaroz28 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 10, 2017, 02:21:35 PM »

Quote from: 69Z28-RS on March 10, 2017, 05:02:30 AM

Those photos were resized to a point TOO SMALL to see any detail. Are you using Light Image Resizer? if so just choose 50% reduction to start (retaining image size and x/y scale.. if that results in larger than 200 kb, then resize again with 40% etc.

X2 Gary!
Chris, what are your plans for the car, restoration?

bertfam · « **Reply #18 on:** March 10, 2017, 03:08:52 PM »

Chris, it's looking good, but before we can confirm, we need a LOT more information.

1. What's the VIN?
2. Post a higher resolution picture of the trim tag
3. The axle appears to be stamped 0614 (June 14th), but what's the casting date on the center section (the "pumpkin")? BW was used in 1968 AND 1969, so the date would confirm if it's original to that car.
4. The Muncie Speedometer hole, rear bumper guards, 4 leaf leaf springs, 2 piece disk brake rotors, correct booster with wt cylinder, etc... were NOT limited to just the Z28, so none of this is conclusive.
5. Not all leaf springs will have the GMU casting. This casting was done every 10 to 15 feet, so it just depends on where the spring happened to be cut. There are a lot of cars out there with original springs that DON'T have the GMU casting, so again, inconclusive.
6. The paint sounds promising so can you show some better pictures of that?
7. You stated that you have no documentation, so how do you know the car came from Bill Conner Chevrolet? Not sure if they're still in business, but if they are, (Zone 25, Dealer 95), it would be worth a few phone calls.

Ed

1968RSZ28 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 10, 2017, 03:56:17 PM »

British Racing Green!

Paul

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 10, 2017, 07:09:32 PM »

I have tons of pictures, the resizing is a process! The 4 at a time is a process. I sent vin to some corvette club that I found on here, and pAID 40-50. Bucks for a sheet of paper that told dealer info build date etc etc. It does not state z28 on that paperwork. I did send pics to mcneish prior to the purchase For an opinion . he believes it is real but without actually seeing everything could not say for sure, but thought the price given was a good gamble. He told me it had to be a Z or an SS based on the picture evidence. As far as what my plans are? Well I
Have replaced all the sheet metal that was rusted out which was extensive. I have it in primer as of now. If it was a drag car like the owner stated I might be inclined to build it back that way yet street legal. I would love to make it all original but there are key pieces missing that are impossible to find, when you do you can't afford them. So I'm not rushing just trying to get opinions on z or not z, opinions on best way to restore it etc etc. I actually been thinking about selling all the z components and just fixing it like I want it vs some form of real restoration? From whAt I can see I probably have 10,000 dollars worth of used z parts piled up lol. To answer the other question it's british green, I couldn't be lucky and get red, blue or black or even white , had to be green

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 10, 2017, 08:15:41 PM »

Hey Chris while I am not a huge Green fan in general, the British Racing Green is actually a good looking color on a 68 Z, or SS.

How to restore it: Well it sounds like you have a majority of Z parts, so why not restore it as a Z. There are a ton (A TON) of fake Z cars out there, I think if you have enough date correct parts, and if anyone can help you verify it possibly, than a British Racing Green 68 Z would be a nice piece to own, or even a nice car to barter or sell for what you really want.
I am guessing you would be looking for date correct block, but they are out there.

In the end it is your car, build what you will enjoy. (just keep posting pics for us as you go...

)

69Z28-RS · « **Reply #22 on:** March 10, 2017, 09:05:25 PM »

British Racing Green has been one of my favorite car colors since I was a kid... Probably MORE marques have BRG as one of their colors than ANY other color... and how many other colors can make the claim that the *color* is so fast, that it had to have RACING in it's name..

BRG with saddle interior is classic and FAB...

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 10, 2017, 10:18:39 PM »

I think on a brit car it seems to fit better, with tan interior. American cars I could go with a couple others.

z28z11 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 10, 2017, 10:41:12 PM »

Im personally fond of BRG with a black interior, but I may be prejudiced -

One of the neatest paint combos I have ever witnessed on a '68 in BRG is the black stripe car that was around here, went to Atlanta and then elsewhere. Really subtle deal with the black stripes on British Green - very nice.

Regards,
Steve

68camaroz28 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 10, 2017, 10:52:34 PM »

Quote from: Chris on March 10, 2017, 07:09:32 PM

I have tons of pictures, the resizing is a process! The 4 at a time is a process. I sent vin to some corvette club that I found on here, and pAID 40-50. Bucks for a sheet of paper that told dealer info build date etc etc. It does not state z28 on that paperwork. I did send pics to mcneish prior to the purchase For an opinion . he believes it is real but without actually seeing everything could not say for sure, but thought the price given was a good gamble. He told me it had to be a Z or an SS based on the picture evidence. As far as what my plans are? Well I
Have replaced all the sheet metal that was rusted out which was extensive. I have it in primer as of now. If it was a drag car like the owner stated I might be inclined to build it back that way yet street legal. I would love to make it all original but there are key pieces missing that are impossible to find, when you do you can't afford them. So I'm not rushing just trying to get opinions on z or not z, opinions on best way to restore it etc etc. I actually been thinking about selling all the z components and just fixing it like I want it vs some form of real restoration? From whAt I can see I probably have 10,000 dollars worth of used z parts piled up lol. To answer the other question it's british green, I couldn't be lucky and get red, blue or black or even white , had to be green

Day 2 cars are very popular and with the parts missing that might be a good route to go but no matter what you do, do what you want and have fun. Those springs look pretty pitted to have looking good but if you do go with the good repro's be aware that the car will sit high until they settle. To assist with the process add weight to the trunk like a couple 5 gallon buckets of wet sand.

maroman · « **Reply #26 on:** March 11, 2017, 01:14:42 AM »

Is the tire pressure sticker on the glove box? Should say 15 tires for a Z. I agree with making it as close as your wallet allows to being a Z if more evidence shows.

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 11, 2017, 02:22:33 AM »

Yes, the sticker is there but not in good condition, you can make out the tire size of 15 the car came with 15 on front and 15 on back. The rears are marked ag with junk slicks, the fronts are df. Plus two more df wheels.

x66 714 · « **Reply #28 on:** March 11, 2017, 03:14:59 AM »

The more you post the more it sounds like a car that should be preserved. I've owned my 68 z/28 for 41 years & it's never had it original engine or trans. I'm still hopeful to find it some day. I've seen several BRG w/white stripes. Very nice looking especially if it has sports style trim. My decal is like yours...ratty but I don't dare replace it. I used to have the EE front springs. Wish I still did. My car also has factory 4.56 gears. What a blast to drive...Joe

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #29 on:** March 11, 2017, 03:32:02 AM »

I sure would like to trace back to original owner, but seems impossible. I figure I could find out if it was a real Z through talking with the family, maybe even get a picture or two and who know he might have paperwork? The dealer is shut down years ago and the privacy laws seem to be strictly enforced at the dmv.

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #30 on:** March 11, 2017, 05:49:07 AM »

go through the guy you got it from or if you do find the dealer through NCRS the and the town it was originally sold in, somebody may remember it, if you put pic of it in a craigslist ad?

69Z28-RS · « **Reply #31 on:** March 11, 2017, 06:19:06 AM »

Quote from: Chris on March 11, 2017, 02:22:33 AM

Yes, the sticker is there but not in good condition, you can make out the tire size of 15 the car came with 15 on front and 15 on back. The rears are marked ag with junk slicks, the fronts are df. Plus two more df wheels.

You probably know this already.. the DF wheels are likely your original wheels (substantiating the Z28 claim). Are the dates consistent with your car's date? (The AG wheels are 8" wide Corvette wheels)..

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #32 on:** March 11, 2017, 06:25:35 PM »

The wheels are may or June dated i was not smart enough to shoot a pic before putting them in my storage unit, but I do remember that they were all four dated the same, but the car is 07 b ? So probably not original?

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #33 on:** March 11, 2017, 06:34:28 PM »

Probabley original to your car if they pre date it. So if they are dates may and June and your car is July, then that would fit good. Many of us have set up spread sheets just to document part numbers and dates of difference components.

maroman · « **Reply #34 on:** March 11, 2017, 10:13:28 PM »

This car is sounding more and more like the real deal to me. Good luck and have fun with it!!

Ramjett54 · « **Reply #35 on:** March 13, 2017, 01:03:53 PM »

Hey Chris great find
Is there a tuning sticker on the top right side of the radiator core support
I was told that Z28s tuning sticker was unique.

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #36 on:** March 13, 2017, 04:58:36 PM »

I'm not sure about it being unique. The car had Benn wrecked the radiator core support and inner fenders were gone. I got one fender a broken grille and bent up head light buckets.

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #37 on:** March 13, 2017, 08:14:52 PM »

more pics i resized these 50 percent on light image resizer and it still says to big, trying 40 percent

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #38 on:** March 13, 2017, 08:17:35 PM »

ok 40 percent seems to work, im slowley unpacking boxed parts to see what all is here, im going to try and post all of it plus more body pics too as i can, comments and questions appreciated

1968RSZ28 · « **Reply #39 on:** March 13, 2017, 08:26:18 PM »

Those photos look much better!

That's the correct master cylinder, though not limited to just the Z28, with the correct "WT" font.

Paul

bcmiller · « **Reply #40 on:** March 13, 2017, 10:11:42 PM »

Decent chance it's an original Z28. Lots of Zs built around that time. If you can - pm the VIN to me. Thanks!

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #41 on:** March 16, 2017, 08:28:52 PM »

here is the carb, it has not been retored but it has been soaked and kitted. obviously its missing the choke pull-off, im not sure what else might be missing or if this is piece mealed parts or original ?? thinking about just leaving it un restored?

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #42 on:** March 16, 2017, 08:30:19 PM »

more carb pics

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #43 on:** March 16, 2017, 08:31:57 PM »

more carb pics

1968RSZ28 · « **Reply #44 on:** March 16, 2017, 08:48:00 PM »

Chris,

What are the numbers and date code stamped on the carburetor air horn? It should look something like this...

Paul

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #45 on:** March 17, 2017, 12:42:27 AM »

carb pic with numbers

1968RSZ28 · « **Reply #46 on:** March 17, 2017, 02:48:42 AM »

That's the correct Holley for a '68 Z28! The date code is 841 and translates to 1st week of April, 1968.

Paul

bcmiller · « **Reply #47 on:** March 17, 2017, 02:53:00 AM »

Chris - most of your earlier pics are too small to see details. Images just need to be less than 200kb. Most recent ones are good!

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #48 on:** March 17, 2017, 03:09:33 AM »

Tell me which pics can't be seen and I'll try to fix, and April carb on a 07b car? Maybe not born with carb?

bcmiller · « **Reply #49 on:** March 17, 2017, 12:26:58 PM »

Chris, most of the early pics you posted are small. A larger one of the firewall would be good.

Carb may be a bit early, let me do some checking. It's within reason though.

Carb - first week of April. Car - second week of July.

bertfam · « **Reply #50 on:** March 17, 2017, 01:19:33 PM »

Quote

and April carb on a 07b car? Maybe not born with carb?

No, not too early at all. Holley carbs were built in batches so it's not unusual to find one on the car built a few months before the car was assembled. For example, my 05D Los Angeles L89 has the original carb and it's dated 833 (third week of March, 1968). That's two months prior. More "normal" for LA cars than Norwood, but still within the norm.

Ed

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #51 on:** March 17, 2017, 01:51:08 PM »

Where could a guy find the correct choke pull off?

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #52 on:** March 17, 2017, 02:32:32 PM »

Correct? so are you considering building it as a Z???

(just giving you a hard time Chris) Sounds like the car is turning into a mixed blessing.

Enjoy your journey with that car. Sometimes while learning about the history of the car and restoring it, we learn a little more about ourselves.

bcmiller · « **Reply #53 on:** March 17, 2017, 03:05:32 PM »

Quote from: Chris on March 17, 2017, 01:51:08 PM

Where could a guy find the correct choke pull off? If

Send me a PM, or better yet an email. If I have an extra, you can have it. But I need to look what I have first.

bertfam · « **Reply #54 on:** March 17, 2017, 03:19:39 PM »

If you want "correct", make sure you get one with the "bent" nipple (see below).

Ed

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #55 on:** March 18, 2017, 03:31:49 PM »

this green sun tach was one of the boxes of parts, I know its not a factory piece. I have never seen green on a sun tach? all mine growing up were blue. I dont know what this box is? the distributor has been rebuilt locally the technician says its spot on and seems correct to him.

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #56 on:** March 18, 2017, 03:56:55 PM »

more pics

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #57 on:** March 18, 2017, 03:58:25 PM »

more pics

maroman · « **Reply #58 on:** March 18, 2017, 05:18:20 PM »

Chris, the box is what makes the tach work. Could be bought for 4,6,or 8 cylinder, 6 or 12 volt.

bertfam · « **Reply #59 on:** March 18, 2017, 08:36:24 PM »

Green Sun Tach's are from the late 50's to late 60's, possibly the early 70's but I'm not sure.

The distributor (1111467) with a date code of 8F4 (June 4th, 1968) is correct for a 1968 Camaro Z28.

Ed

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #60 on:** March 18, 2017, 09:08:27 PM »

so just for curiosity sake, every car i built i ran dual point distributors, so on basically factory built race car, with a engine designed to turn pretty serious rpm's why did gm choose to go with a single point design? that seems odd? and none of my sun or autometer tach's needed a box to make them work?

maroman · « **Reply #61 on:** March 18, 2017, 10:45:44 PM »

I forget exactly when I bought mine, must have been around '72 for my '67 Camaro. The more I see and hear about this car the more I like it. MY OPINION is that dual points are a PIA, had and still have a few. Not sure how much better they were.

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #62 on:** March 19, 2017, 12:32:55 AM »

Pia ? Or was that pos? Lol

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #63 on:** March 19, 2017, 01:44:42 AM »

Anyone have a good pic of 68 z oil fill tube? How long is an original ?

69Z28-RS · « **Reply #64 on:** March 19, 2017, 02:49:48 AM »

Quote from: maroman on March 18, 2017, 10:45:44 PM

I forget exactly when I bought mine, must have been around '72 for my '67 Camaro. The more I see and hear about this car the more I like it. MY OPINION is that dual points are a PIA, had and still have a few. Not sure how much better they were.

I had to comment on this. If your distributor shaft has 8 lobes on the cam, then I agree that I'm unsure what advantage dual points have. OTOH, if your shaft has 4 lobes, then that means that the dual points are operating alternately, and thus each set of points is opening only HALF as frequently. In this latter case, I do think it helps re eliminating point bounce until you reach your actual upper RPM limit... (such as the Mallory Rev Pol distributor I ran on a couple of my Z28 engines...

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #65 on:** March 19, 2017, 11:15:58 PM »

oil pan original for a 68 Z?, DF rims all dated the same?,timimg cover? intake is correct but there's a chunk missing in that divider? the bottom oil shield was missing when i took it off? and the codes are grainy casting flash or something? the cam i took out its gm but doesnt seem to be the 30-30? other storage parts pics. the cam, intake, distributor, 291 heads, oil pan, water pump, carb, all were taken off the motor that come with the car (its a 327 with factory pop ups, steel crank) the timimg cover in the pics, was in a box of odds and ends parts. the 327 had a two piece cast aluminum aftermarket cover, the 291 heads are the 68 202 with side sending unit hole. im wondering if they blew up the factory block and moved all the parts over to the 327 block to keep racing? the oral history was that the original owner drag raced the car since it was new, but took the engine out and replaced it with a bigger engine? when i think bigger i think BB but a 327 is bigger? lol did a 327 ever use 291 castings? i dont know im just thinking out loud.

the intake has some rough pitting on the passenger side, its not attractive but the guy that cleaned it up for me says he thinks its just cosmetic and will run fine. i had the heads professionally done, he says they are unported, he put hard seats in and recommended pinning the studs, my other cars were screw in studs, but he said these heads never came that way and that pinning with hardened roll pins was a period correct and reliable way to secure the studs??? i let him do it ?? it kinda looks awkward but he seems confident that if the factory studs stayed in pinning was even better?

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #66 on:** March 19, 2017, 11:17:34 PM »

nore pics

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #67 on:** March 19, 2017, 11:18:29 PM »

more pics

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #68 on:** March 19, 2017, 11:19:27 PM »

more pics

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #69 on:** March 19, 2017, 11:20:15 PM »

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Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #70 on:** March 19, 2017, 11:21:34 PM »

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Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #71 on:** March 19, 2017, 11:31:01 PM »

im using light resizer, im setting these to 45 percent, there is an option for reseting the pixles or resolution etc... i dont know about this stuff so if anyone knows a better resolution setting that works on here just let me know. i dont know , what i dont know> lol

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #72 on:** March 19, 2017, 11:48:51 PM »

maroman · « **Reply #73 on:** March 20, 2017, 12:00:28 AM »

What is the date on the water pump and the heads? I think I would have the web welded back in on the intake.

1968RSZ28 · « **Reply #74 on:** March 20, 2017, 12:19:44 AM »

Quote from: maroman on March 20, 2017, 12:00:28 AM

What is the date on the water pump and the heads?

One of the above photos shows the coolant pump is dated F 10 8 (June 10, 1968).

Paul

JKZ27 · « **Reply #75 on:** March 20, 2017, 12:22:33 AM »

Oooo! Gold interior!

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #76 on:** March 20, 2017, 01:36:36 AM »

I will get pics of the heads Tuesday, I'll be at thefirehouse till then.

Z28Project · « **Reply #77 on:** March 20, 2017, 03:24:20 PM »

Intake has the old 3 bbl. notch!

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #78 on:** March 21, 2017, 07:47:40 PM »

Head casting number pic ? Note pinned studs lol
Both heads have the same date.

1968RSZ28 · « **Reply #79 on:** March 21, 2017, 08:14:48 PM »

3917219 is the correct casting number for '68 Z28 cylinder heads, but with casting dates of K 1 7 (November 1, 1967), I don't believe those are the original heads.

Paul

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #80 on:** March 21, 2017, 09:32:14 PM »

Well that's bad news. It thanks for the info. Wish I had thought to ask before spending the kids inheritance. Lol

1968RSZ28 · « **Reply #81 on:** March 21, 2017, 09:38:27 PM »

Quote from: Chris on March 21, 2017, 09:32:14 PM

Well that's bad news. It thanks for the info. Wish I had thought to ask before spending the kids inheritance. Lol

Chris, nobody will know unless they pull the valve covers. If the heads are good, use them!

Paul

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #82 on:** March 22, 2017, 01:44:22 AM »

Your right nobody would know but me, they are good, but with all the other parts starting to add up as far as the car possibly being a legit Z by part number and casting dates seeming to be right this head information is somewhat of a set back. But it is what it is 😓

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #83 on:** March 22, 2017, 04:50:07 AM »

you probably could sell them and at least break even, guys are always on the look out for this stuff.

Out of curiosity what would be the correct date for Chris to look for ? (may/june?)

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #84 on:** March 10, 2018, 05:33:19 PM »

I have disassenbled the steering components some useable , some not... i had a friend clean and bead blast this pitman arm. i have read and re read every article on here about the z front end peices and i cant figure it out, so i read the pozzi article and got even more confused. help!

68Zproject · « **Reply #85 on:** March 10, 2018, 08:01:02 PM »

Verify that part is 5.8" long. I think that is the long PS Pittman arm.

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #86 on:** March 10, 2018, 08:42:13 PM »

Quote from: 68Zproject on March 10, 2018, 08:01:02 PM

Verify that part is 5.8" long. I think that is the long PS Pittman arm.

My car is manual steering and I took this off my car? It has an M stamped on it for manual. It meaured roughly 5-3/4 inches from center of hole to center of threaded shaft? I know its what come off the car, just can't figure out if it's correct for a 68Z with manual gear.

janobyte · « **Reply #87 on:** March 11, 2018, 12:45:51 AM »

Highly reccommend ordering a copy of the 68 Camaro assembly manual. Somewhere in the forum should be a pic of my pitman arm. 04D Z, manual box. Part number shown.

janobyte · « **Reply #88 on:** March 11, 2018, 12:49:20 AM »

Also, Mr. Pozzi is a very nice guy. Drop him an email, he will answer your steering question.

KurtS · « **Reply #89 on:** March 11, 2018, 02:48:12 AM »

Might be a service part, but that's a 69 part.
68 Z should be 3908391 with manual box.

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #90 on:** March 12, 2018, 12:52:54 AM »

Quote from: KurtS on March 11, 2018, 02:48:12 AM

Might be a service part, but that's a 69 part.
68 Z should be 3908391 with manual box.

Clarify something for me Kurt, I respect all of the facts and opinions I read and receive on here! But I'm confused on several issues one being this pitman arm. Jerry M has that definitive 302 book, it list this number for 68, lists that 391 number for 67.....both manual steering. He's a human so he might be wrong or it could be a misprint?

The pozzi article that I keep getting referee to indicates that the 391 was or is correct for 67, but was used at Norwood and van Nuys from March 68 to June 68 and references the from vin xxx to vin xxx maybe due to production shortage of 68 components? It goes on to list those part numbers used it says 391 was the subbed number. My vin and build month (july) is outside that 67 parts subbed time frame. To me that indicates that 68 models up to March and after June used a different pitman arm number? Maybe the one mine had which is what the 302 book also lists? I'm just playing piece meal detective.

Is your info based on info collected on the group's info or

Thx for the work you do!

KurtS · « **Reply #91 on:** March 12, 2018, 07:09:43 AM »

I've never seen that arm on a 68.
http://www.camaros.org/suspen.shtml#steer and look at what is on original cars - Danny's, etc.

janobyte · « **Reply #92 on:** March 12, 2018, 12:36:41 PM »

68Z, born with part

68Zproject · « **Reply #93 on:** March 12, 2018, 03:48:14 PM »

Now you're gong to make me have to go see if I can get a pic of mine. I don't even remember what my number was, but it is one of those in the time frame where 67 parts were used.

cook_dw · « **Reply #94 on:** March 12, 2018, 08:13:30 PM »

12D of 67

68Zproject · « **Reply #95 on:** March 13, 2018, 12:21:21 AM »

westonz28 · « **Reply #96 on:** March 13, 2018, 12:31:22 AM »

Looks like you have a 1968 Z28 Camaro just like mine. See "1968 Z28 on CRG. I have most of the same evidence and pictures that you posted. I plan on trying to save the evidence on the rear valance of the original stripes. I wish i knew how to post the link to the post. Good luck on your build. By the way those heads would work perfect for my 12E Z28.

bcmiller · « **Reply #97 on:** March 13, 2018, 07:13:10 AM »

As posted there are some cars that received the 3908391 long pitman arm in 68.

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #98 on:** March 13, 2018, 04:37:34 PM »

I think I'm ready to sell this project before I go insane. Thanks or the it's and information. I'm g going to shop and taking pics of my steering parts and post.

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #99 on:** March 13, 2018, 05:44:19 PM »

ok so i had an epiphany while reading your replies to my post, the glass beaded part that i assumed was right came off the car as it was delivered to me, that number matches what Jerry says is correct so i got very excited, then you guys showed pics of the other number and give me info that lead to me being deflated once again. but the car was wrecked and has many boxes of parts that i been posting, i went to my shop and dug through the steering components and snapped picks and this gear and pitman and idler are in that box. this gear is not on the car now, nor was it on the car when i got it....but its in a cardboard box that came with the car, i never really paid it much attention to it! (in fact started to let a friend have it) if im not going crazy i think its the numbers you men are showing to be the 68Z, so now i have a new question....
from these pics can we tell if this gearbox is what come on the car? 07b ? please?

?

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #100 on:** March 13, 2018, 05:46:53 PM »

this is the idler that was in the steering parts it appears to be 39?7581B

?

cook_dw · « **Reply #101 on:** March 14, 2018, 03:29:24 PM »

What is the date on the box itself. The stamped date on the front pad just below the "CHECK" casting on the cover and reference it to the build date on the car to give you an idea of it possibly being the original.

Again 12D of 67

320th day of 67

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #102 on:** March 14, 2018, 04:23:15 PM »

looks to be A 1318 ?

cook_dw · « **Reply #103 on:** March 14, 2018, 05:10:35 PM »

Assume the A is for 1st shift and B for 2nd.

May 10th of 68

Sounds about right for your car.

What's the date on the other box?

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #104 on:** March 14, 2018, 06:58:01 PM »

Ok so now I'm back to square one. Its still MAYBE a Z. Lol. I hate cars. Lol. Thanks for deciphering , I guess I need to clean and rebuild this gear and replace the peices.

bcmiller · « **Reply #105 on:** March 15, 2018, 06:34:58 PM »

Steering box is a sign but not proof of being a Z28.

Just start making a list of what parts with the car are correct for a Z28. The more the better.

Real proof is the drivetrain. Again, the more correct parts you have will improve your case of it being a Z.

I would have to go back but is the axle original and what code?

KurtS · « **Reply #106 on:** March 15, 2018, 09:40:49 PM »

I'd be curious what idlers were used with those 8392 pitmans listed above. I'd assume 7581 idlers.....

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #107 on:** March 16, 2018, 04:16:01 PM »

Quote from: bcmiller on March 15, 2018, 06:34:58 PM

Steering box is a sign but not proof of being a Z28.

Just start making a list of what parts with the car are correct for a Z28. The more the better.

Real proof is the drivetrain. Again, the more correct parts you have will improve your case of it being a Z.

I would have to go back but is the axle original and what code?

It's a multi leaf 12 bolt, BW code. It has 1981 dated 4.10 gm gears in It, but 1968 dated 4:56's in a box.
I have no clue if it's the original housing or not.

x66 714 · « **Reply #108 on:** March 16, 2018, 04:23:29 PM »

What's the rest of the code & what's the vin?....Joe

bcmiller · « **Reply #109 on:** March 16, 2018, 05:20:03 PM »

Quote from: Tx-Z 302 on March 16, 2018, 04:16:01 PM

Quote from: bcmiller on March 15, 2018, 06:34:58 PM
Steering box is a sign but not proof of being a Z28.

Just start making a list of what parts with the car are correct for a Z28. The more the better.

Real proof is the drivetrain. Again, the more correct parts you have will improve your case of it being a Z.

I would have to go back but is the axle original and what code?
It's a multi leaf 12 bolt, BW code. It has 1981 dated 4.10 gm gears in It, but 1968 dated 4:56's in a box.
I have no clue if it's the original housing or not.

What’s the build date of the car on the trim tag? And the axle assembly date? Axle assembly date is the rest of the stamped info after the BW.

If we can determine the axle is original, that’s a big step.

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #110 on:** March 16, 2018, 06:01:30 PM »

BW0614G1
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bcmiller · « **Reply #111 on:** March 16, 2018, 07:53:30 PM »

Chris, I went ahead and looked through the posts and pics. I am 99 percent confident it is a Z28.

That is the correct axle for the car in my opinion. What are the dates on the ring and pinion?

An inspection and report by Jerry M. would be enough proof for anyone.

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #112 on:** March 16, 2018, 10:33:24 PM »

Quote from: bcmiller on March 16, 2018, 07:53:30 PM

Chris, I went ahead and looked through the posts and pics. I am 99 percent confident it is a Z28.

That is the correct axle for the car in my opinion. What are the dates on the ring and pinion?

An inspection and report by Jerry M. would be enough proof for anyone.

They are in my shop and I'm at the fire station. I'll get that info when I get off duty in the morning. Thx for looking, I sent tons of pics of the muncie hole in firewall and brake sytem etc etc... To Jerry he said it had to a Z or an SS and he feels that it is likely a Z, however he can't say without the inspection. And that's not exactly cheap.

janobyte · « **Reply #113 on:** March 16, 2018, 11:14:26 PM »

Where 4.56's an ss option?
BTY, my housing is dated april 24, and the car is 04d. Iooking through your posts, I'd agree pretty safe bet its a Z.

bcmiller · « **Reply #114 on:** March 16, 2018, 11:36:29 PM »

Yes you could get 4.56 with SS. L78 and L89.

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #115 on:** March 16, 2018, 11:52:14 PM »

Quote from: bcmiller on March 16, 2018, 11:36:29 PM

Yes you could get 4.56 with SS. L78 and L89.

i love the cloud! i got my pics from the cloud, because im a computer guru! not!

bcmiller · « **Reply #116 on:** March 16, 2018, 11:58:22 PM »

Those would probably be original. Date spread is a little larger than I would expect (Feb pinion, March ring gear, June assembly). But they are probably OK and are not common.

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #117 on:** March 17, 2018, 12:30:32 AM »

Quote from: bcmiller on March 16, 2018, 11:58:22 PM

Those would probably be original. Date spread is a little larger than I would expect (Feb pinion, March ring gear, June assembly). But they are probably OK and are not common.

I would have thought the ring and pinions would be matched sets ? As in both made in March or Feb?

bcmiller · « **Reply #118 on:** March 17, 2018, 01:16:54 AM »

Usually but not always.

bcmiller · « **Reply #119 on:** March 17, 2018, 01:23:21 AM »

Just make a list of all the Z parts that you have and their dates. Proof will depend on the amount of evidence.

Depends on what you want to do on certification. If you can get others to come to the same place, Jerry can certify multiple cars. Certification fee won’t change but I believe the travel cost can be spread to multiple people if all done at the same time. But you would need to verify that with Jerry first.

169INDY · « **Reply #120 on:** March 17, 2018, 03:43:01 AM »

Yup, I missed out on a PNW swing he did a few years ago in Seattle & Vanc B.C.
I think he did 4 or 5 cars Great Way to economize the trip and spread out the costs.
I wish Tex was closer to Wa, As I need to get him back to the PNW.

Keep taking detailed (& High Resolution) pics as you work- Very important to document

JIM

firstgenaddict · « **Reply #121 on:** May 27, 2018, 11:44:48 PM »

WOW BRG over Ivy Gold would look GOOOOOD.
and with 4.56's.... damn what a screamer especially if you had a M20!

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #122 on:** May 28, 2018, 08:55:40 PM »

Quote from: firstgenaddict on May 27, 2018, 11:44:48 PM

WOW BRG over Ivy Gold would look GOOOOOD.
and with 4.56's.... damn what a screamer especially if you had a M20!

Thank, I'd prefer black over black, red over black, gold over black, blue over black or even brg over black.... But it is what it is lol

firstgenaddict · « **Reply #123 on:** May 29, 2018, 08:30:03 PM »

I'd prefer Black over red DLX, white HT, or blue DLX, however... Ivy Gold is a green gold which should set off the BRG nicely.

Kelley W King · « **Reply #124 on:** May 30, 2018, 03:36:58 PM »

I think what is trending today is anything "different". So many muscle cars have black interiors and are red or blue that something different just catches your eye. My 6 cars are 6 for 6, all black interiors. My next one will be "different"

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #125 on:** May 30, 2018, 03:49:50 PM »

I have black interior on a couple of cars, and red interior on 2 others. The red looks sporty. My friend had a 67 RS/SS blue turquoise with deluxe turquoise interior( with white inserts) and I really liked that combo. I think having the different colors that were offered back then is very cool to see now a days, because there is so few factory options on interior colors on new cars. At best you can special color stitching on black seats.
At least the 5th gen you could get orange interior as an option, or the synergy green you could get a green trimmed interior.
The 50's and 60's cars having so many color options really makes them stand out even more, and thats what guys want right now, the car that doesn't look like everyone else's.
I hope with this trend more guys go back to to the factory colors on their cars. There was a time when you would go to a car show and it was mostly just red and black cars. How boring is that?

cook_dw · « **Reply #126 on:** May 30, 2018, 04:08:07 PM »

Quote from: BULLITT65 on May 30, 2018, 03:49:50 PM

How boring is that?

Kelley W King · « **Reply #127 on:** May 30, 2018, 05:35:09 PM »

You think someday an interior other than gray or tan in a car produced in this decade might be "rare"

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #128 on:** May 30, 2018, 05:38:43 PM »

Quote from: firstgenaddict on May 29, 2018, 08:30:03 PM

I'd prefer Black over red DLX, white HT, or blue DLX, however... Ivy Gold is a green gold which should set off the BRG nicely.

I'm from texas though.... No body roots for the green and gold Baylor Bears? Lol

pjbizjak · « **Reply #129 on:** May 30, 2018, 09:02:47 PM »

What was your method to post pictures?

pjbizjak · « **Reply #130 on:** May 30, 2018, 10:57:50 PM »

check the inside of the glove box for tire sticker, this is another way of determining a z/28, the tire size should be 15".

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #131 on:** May 31, 2018, 02:01:31 AM »

Quote from: pjbizjak on May 30, 2018, 09:02:47 PM

What was your method to post pictures?

Light image resizer

firstgenaddict · « **Reply #132 on:** June 01, 2018, 04:02:48 PM »

Quote from: Kelley W King on May 30, 2018, 03:36:58 PM

I think what is trending today is anything "different". So many muscle cars have black interiors and are red or blue that something different just catches your eye. My 6 cars are 6 for 6, all black interiors. My next one will be "different"

I tell people this all the time.. once you have a few you begin to realize how rare cars with White, Red, or Blue interiors are in the muscle car era. Then you start looking for cars with nice guts in colors other than Black... AND ORIGINAL INTERIORS in the colors are even rarer.

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #133 on:** June 02, 2018, 02:24:16 PM »

Quote from: cook_dw on May 30, 2018, 04:08:07 PM

Quote from: BULLITT65 on May 30, 2018, 03:49:50 PM
How boring is that?

Lol.... My wife tells me I'm predictable and generic. 😜

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #134 on:** June 03, 2018, 02:46:21 AM »

Here is the clutch, this was not with the car when i got it, however since the fan was in the car i have been hunting an original clutch. I found one and done some parts swapping and i think i came out ahead....either way we both got what we were looking for. these seem to be like finding a tooth in a chickens mouth.

68camaroz28 · « **Reply #135 on:** June 03, 2018, 03:07:29 AM »

Quote from: Tx-Z 302 on June 03, 2018, 02:46:21 AM

Here is the clutch, this was not with the car when i got it, however since the fan was in the car i have been hunting an original clutch. I found one and done some parts swapping and i think i came out ahead....either way we both got what we were looking for. these seem to be like finding a tooth in a chickens mouth.

Good snatch Chris and note how the end is painted silver. That was on ours and have noted that on other originals. Good on ya!

169INDY · « **Reply #136 on:** June 03, 2018, 05:14:05 AM »

Quote from: Tx-Z 302 on June 03, 2018, 02:46:21 AM

Here is the clutch, this was not with the car when i got it, however since the fan was in the car i have been hunting an original clutch. I found one and done some parts swapping and i think i came out ahead....either way we both got what we were looking for. these seem to be like finding a tooth in a chickens mouth.

Great now will it require rebuild by KIRKCONNELL corvettes> or acceptable as is?

I called him and he has about a 2-3 week turnaround on rebuilds, very quick,

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #137 on:** June 03, 2018, 10:23:38 PM »

Quote from: 169INDY on June 03, 2018, 05:14:05 AM

Quote from: Tx-Z 302 on June 03, 2018, 02:46:21 AM
Here is the clutch, this was not with the car when i got it, however since the fan was in the car i have been hunting an original clutch. I found one and done some parts swapping and i think i came out ahead....either way we both got what we were looking for. these seem to be like finding a tooth in a chickens mouth.

Great now will it require rebuild by KIRKCONNELL corvettes> or acceptable as is?

I called him and he has about a 2-3 week turnaround on rebuilds, very quick,

I'm likely to not ever use it. Just neat to have to go with the fan blade.

hihorse · « **Reply #138 on:** June 15, 2018, 11:02:20 AM »

Assuming that this car is confirmed as a Z, wondering what this car is worth at this stage

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #139 on:** June 16, 2018, 01:57:53 AM »

Quote from: hihorse on June 15, 2018, 11:02:20 AM

Assuming that this car is confirmed as a Z, wondering what this car is worth at this stage

I have no clue... Its been a drag car most of its life so I'm not sure.

bcmiller · « **Reply #140 on:** June 16, 2018, 01:20:18 PM »

Quote from: pjbizjak on May 30, 2018, 10:57:50 PM

check the inside of the glove box for tire sticker, this is another way of determining a z/28, the tire size should be 15".

This is one of many CLUES to look for. The glove box door is an easily swapped item, so it is not a solid way for verification that a car is a Z28.

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #141 on:** July 06, 2018, 06:12:44 PM »

Do any of the data keepers happen to know what the latest known 68 Z build month is, some camaro guys on facebookcamaro forums are telling me. July is too late for my car to be a Z?

cook_dw · « **Reply #142 on:** July 06, 2018, 06:50:44 PM »

They built Z's in July. Ignore the "experts" on fakebook.

Tx-Z 302 · « **Reply #143 on:** July 06, 2018, 09:39:30 PM »

Quote from: cook_dw on July 06, 2018, 06:50:44 PM

They built Z's in July. Ignore the "experts" on fakebook.

Thx

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