Author Topic: Real 69 cowl hood or a reproduction ?  (Read 15248 times)

69 Zee

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 595
    • View Profile
Real 69 cowl hood or a reproduction ?
« on: November 26, 2016, 07:14:37 PM »
This past June I too answered a CL's ad about a 69 cowl hood.  The seller stated he wasn't a Camaro guy and he wasn't sure if it was an original or reproduction but to come look at it and I can decide.  He received it in trade for some work he'd done and it had been hanging in his detached garage for nearly 25 yrs.  I haven't really ever paid attention to what a reproduction looked like but for his asking price I thought I couldn't go wrong either way.  He was asking $120, I got it for $100.

I read over several other cowl thread and from what I've learned ... It has the standard notching (rear side corners) that a real GM cowl hood has but no "week stamp date" on the drivers rear side metal.

My questions are ... does it appear to be GM original ?   and If it's a GM hood, does the lack of a "date stamp" just mean it wasn't a line production hood or could there also be a chance that a line hood was never stamped ?

Darrell
'69 Camaro Z/28: 03B NOR X77 Dusk Blue, white top, all orig, Under construction
'69 Firebird all original 350 all power w/ac
'70 Plymouth Superbird: One owner, Limelight green, 45K miles, all original U code

69 Zee

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 595
    • View Profile
Re: Real 69 cowl hood or a reproduction ?
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2016, 08:28:46 PM »
And to add to the mix ... These are pics of my flat hood.  This is to be my original hood to my Z and the dusk blue paint can be seen under the repainted white.  There's no "week stamp date" on my flat hood as well.  Which lead me to asking if it's possible that a line hood was never stamped ?

or have hoods been stamped further up than the lower corner ?

Thanks all
Darrell
'69 Camaro Z/28: 03B NOR X77 Dusk Blue, white top, all orig, Under construction
'69 Firebird all original 350 all power w/ac
'70 Plymouth Superbird: One owner, Limelight green, 45K miles, all original U code

L78 steve

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 797
    • View Profile
Re: Real 69 cowl hood or a reproduction ?
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2016, 12:01:24 AM »
ZL2 hood is GM. Probably over the counter replacement.
69 Z/28 Dover White. SOLD
67 SS/RS Mt. Green 1W,2LGSR,3SL,4K,5BY,07C. SOLD
70 Nova L78 Blk. Cherry,Sandalwood,M21,02B

ko-lek-tor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1858
  • someday I'll get one finished
    • View Profile
Re: Real 69 cowl hood or a reproduction ?
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2016, 12:11:12 AM »
Darrell, Can't rule out hood was replaced? Any signs of a collision? Or hail?
Bentley to friends :1969 SS/RS 396 owned 79
1969 SS 350 (sold)
1969 D.H.COPO replica 4spd. owned since 85
1967 302 4 spd 5.13

69z28rsbilly

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 79
    • View Profile
Re: Real 69 cowl hood or a reproduction ?
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2016, 04:28:00 AM »
Its a GM....
My factory assembly line ZL2 hood has no date stamp numbers etc.
X33 72 72 RS
X33 71 71 RS
X33 10 10

Sauron327

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1364
    • View Profile
Re: Real 69 cowl hood or a reproduction ?
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2016, 12:42:07 PM »
The corners and hood bumper discs are not the only telltale sign of a reproduction. Repro hoods have poor definition at the front near the hood latch. Pics here: http://www.camaros.net/forums/12-body-shop/296466-1st-gen-ss-hood.html

I've bought numerous hoods over the years and had to repair them because people are compelled to stand a hood on the corners. A hood will stay upright if stored on its side.

BULLITT65

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4476
    • View Profile
Re: Real 69 cowl hood or a reproduction ?
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2016, 06:50:32 PM »
Billy, how do you know yours is assembly line vs. over the counter?
(just curious)
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

69 Zee

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 595
    • View Profile
Re: Real 69 cowl hood or a reproduction ?
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2016, 06:53:29 PM »
Darrell, Can't rule out hood was replaced? Any signs of a collision? Or hail?
Bentley,  None that I can see.  Unless someone popped their big ole behind on the orig.  But all looks to be original.
Darrell
'69 Camaro Z/28: 03B NOR X77 Dusk Blue, white top, all orig, Under construction
'69 Firebird all original 350 all power w/ac
'70 Plymouth Superbird: One owner, Limelight green, 45K miles, all original U code

69 Zee

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 595
    • View Profile
Re: Real 69 cowl hood or a reproduction ?
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2016, 06:57:10 PM »
I've bought numerous hoods over the years and had to repair them because people are compelled to stand a hood on the corners. A hood will stay upright if stored on its side.
Scott, much appreciated for pointing that out.  After I pulled them out I rotated them to their sides to clean the edge looking for the stamp.  I left them on their sides, thinking "boy I don't want to bend these corners in".  So yes they all set on the flat sides.  :)
Darrell
'69 Camaro Z/28: 03B NOR X77 Dusk Blue, white top, all orig, Under construction
'69 Firebird all original 350 all power w/ac
'70 Plymouth Superbird: One owner, Limelight green, 45K miles, all original U code

69z28rsbilly

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 79
    • View Profile
Re: Real 69 cowl hood or a reproduction ?
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2016, 04:55:11 PM »
Billy, how do you know yours is assembly line vs. over the counter?
(just curious)

Hey Bullitt 65,
I know the history on the car and it was repainted once.....the repaint is flaking in some areas and a I can see the original paint underneath....
Its a factory ZL2 optioned car....
X33 72 72 RS
X33 71 71 RS
X33 10 10

BULLITT65

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4476
    • View Profile
Re: Real 69 cowl hood or a reproduction ?
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2016, 05:21:04 PM »
k. When did you purchase the car?
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

firstgenaddict

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2882
  • caretaker of 1971 LT1's 11130 & 21783
    • View Profile
    • Groome Family Automobiles
Re: Real 69 cowl hood or a reproduction ?
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2017, 05:52:00 AM »
01B original paint Yenko with a 53 week stamp.

James
Collectin' Camaro's since "Only Rednecks drove them"
Current caretaker of 1971 LT1's - 11130 and 21783 Check out the Black 69 RS/Z28 45k mile Survivor and the Lemans Blue 69 Z 10D frame off...
https://plus.google.com/photos/112392262205377424364/albums?banner=pwa

69Z28-RS

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5778
  • owner since 4-Apr-1976
    • View Profile
Re: Real 69 cowl hood or a reproduction ?
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2017, 06:52:16 AM »
Week 53?   Is this a screwup...?   they guy punched 52 last week and just incremented the punch?  :)   Should it have been a '1' punch?
09C 69Z28-RS, 72 B 720 cowl console rosewood tint
69 Corvette, '60 Corvette, '72 Corvette
90 ZR1 red/red #246, 90 ZR1 white/gray #2466
72 El Camino, '55-'56-'57 Nomads, '55-'57 B/A Sedan

BULLITT65

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4476
    • View Profile
Re: Real 69 cowl hood or a reproduction ?
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2017, 08:18:08 AM »
That does seem weird to me as well since mine is 26 on a original paint 08C car.
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

X33RS

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1092
    • View Profile
Re: Real 69 cowl hood or a reproduction ?
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2017, 04:42:52 PM »
I would say that seems a normal date stamp to me when I compare to mine.  My Z is a 12D 68 build so it's about 2 weeks before James' example, and all my body panels on the car are stamped with 50 or 51.   But what confuses me is that I thought the body panel stamps (weeks) started over at the first of the year???

My car is right in about the same week range where the cowl hoods hit production too and the serial number is just a few numbers past the first reported cowl hood car in Norwood which was a ZL1 if not mistaken.

 

anything