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Ceramic Coating
« on: January 11, 2007, 10:43:38 AM »
I just had my intake manifold for my 67 ceramic coated. it really looks good, It has a slight shine to it and looks like the natural cast iron but with silver tone to it not high polished chrome. Anyone else ever ceramic coat parts? What are your thoughts on doing this?

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Re: Ceramic Coating
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2007, 05:07:21 PM »
Sounds interesting.
Can you post a pic? How much did it cost? What's the max temp the coating can handle?
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2007, 05:35:57 PM »
I had the exhaust manifolds on my car done inside & outside a long time ago with a metallic/ceramic coating.  I haven't used the car much since they were done.  They still look good, but the sharp edges show some very minor rust.  They should look good almost forever, but I wish I had them re-skinned by Jerry M. instead.  Oh well.
Attached is a picture (please ignore the yellow plug wires - I put them on so nothing would happen to my good wires while at the paint shop).
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2007, 05:36:52 PM »
One more picture........

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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2007, 01:24:07 AM »
MY68SS:
As soon as some one can instruct me on how to post a picture I will do that. Cost for the intake and thermostat housing to be ceramic coated with what they call a "silver gray satin finish" was $150 turn around time at the shop is one week. I believe the protection against heat to the coating was over 500 degrees if I understood the owner of the shop that is doing it. I'll check to make sure. I think it is higher especially since alot of the headers are now ceramic coated.

Jeff: Your exhaust manifolds still look great! That is one of the advantages of ceramic coating. They say the finish, if the application is done correctly will last forever.

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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2007, 03:47:09 AM »
Personally, I love it.

I will have mine done on the car i'm doing now.

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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2007, 09:46:41 AM »
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MY68SS:
As soon as some one can instruct me on how to post a picture I will do that.
Click the preview button at the bottom, under the reply box.
On the preview page that then loads, click the 'Additional options' link at the lower left corner.
A few options will appear of which one is 'attach' with a browse button.
Click the browse button to find the pic you want to add.
Click the 'more attachments' link to add more pics [max 4 per post @ 128kb per pic]

Thanks for the info you have provided and thanks Jeff68 for the pics  :)

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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2007, 11:43:02 PM »
The spray welding reskinning process that we do has produced the best original patina look for restoring these cars.  Also good for NCRS Corvette restorers.  We, along with other customers have seen the ceramic coatings and they just don't have the original cast look.  You would also be shot down in any concours "Legend" certification judging.  With our spray welding process, the manifolds will never rust again and will maintain the factory cast appearance.  The set on my red 1968 Z28 were done in 1987 and are still perfect, no rust spots at all.  I spent years researching the differnet processes before we invested in buying the equipment to do the job.

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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2007, 04:58:20 AM »
Jerry--by any chance do you know Roger Gibson in Kelso, Missouri? He's helping me by email on my '68 resto. Super guy!
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2007, 05:43:17 AM »
Yes, I know Roger well.  Does excellent work and was one of the first to start documenting factory front end paint markings.

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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2007, 04:04:10 PM »
Here's what Jerry's spray-welded stock Z/28 exhaust manifolds look like on my car - they were done five years ago.  :)

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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2007, 06:34:08 PM »
Jerry and JohnZ:

Thanks for the info and picture. Your exhaust manifolds look really good. I am not into the judging side of the First Generation cars more into the driving and enjoying side. The shows that I do enter are more for getting just the dash plaques and helping car clubs or groups out.Just wanted to add  a little more color to the engine compartment using the stock parts.

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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2007, 10:56:40 PM »
Ok guys, here is the picture of my intake manifold. I stand corrected in stating it was ceramic coated. It was not, it was powder coated. I mis-understood that processes when they were explained to me. It is miserable getting old!!!!!!!!!!! Anyways, I like the finished product, it shows the contrast of the cast iron through the powder coat. It has a shine but not high gloss.The pictures in my opinion do not do the intake justice. There are reflections and flash bounce off the intake. I hope this works!!!!!!!! Oh and the powder coating is resistant to over 600 degrees. And if it ever gets that hot it means my engine is on fire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let me know what you think!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2007, 10:59:08 PM »
Got one of them!!!!! Here is the second one  ( I hope!!!!!!!!)

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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2007, 04:03:58 AM »
The spray welding reskinning process that we do has produced the best original patina look for restoring these cars. 

Jerry 
How do we find out the cost on a set of sb manifolds and where it is done Jerry?
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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2007, 04:11:39 AM »
Our exhaust manifold reskinning process cost $215 small block and $265 big block.

Our aluminum initake restoration is still $120, shipping is extra.  Check out our web site, www.z28camaro.com and read some of the customer feedback.

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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2007, 05:45:59 PM »
Wow Jerry, had a click around your website. That is superb stuff!! Inspirational!!
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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2007, 08:59:41 PM »
Dave,

Thanks for emailing me those pictures.  Your thread kind of wandered to exhaust and back to intake, but it was worth seeing what Jerry does to exhaust manifolds. There are shops with powder coating springing up all over the place.  One of my Chevelle buddies just had a lot of black powder coating done to various parts under his hood.  Looks brand new and shiny.  Do you think your powder coating will chip or scratch much?  I understand the heat resistance.

Thanks, again.

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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2007, 10:30:50 PM »
Phillip:

From what I was told, the finish is pretty tough regarding chips and scratches. And being out of the way of everything it should last a long long time.

Thanks for the response.

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« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2007, 04:07:52 AM »
We do it in house, well, actually I do the spray welding outside behind my shop.  Cost is $215 for SB and $265 for BB.  Shipping is extra.

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« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2007, 02:57:09 PM »
For those interested, here is a picture of my engine with the installed powder coated intake manifold. Waht do you think?

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« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2007, 07:13:32 PM »
Dave,

Thanks again for the pics you emailed me.  I tried pulling your picture up here and got nothing...

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« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2007, 08:41:43 PM »
Unfortunately, this is not the best way to go with an aluminum intake manifold.  It won't take long before the elements and leaking fluids gets to it.  The heat from the engine will will discolor it over time.

Have been this type of restoration work for a long time and all that I say is based on facts from other customers who have been down this road before.

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« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2007, 10:42:04 AM »
Jerry:

Thanks for the input, but the intake is the original cast iron manifold.

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« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2007, 02:34:27 PM »
Jerry,

Would ceramic be any better? (Iron or aluminum) I'm not thing so much of appearance, as keeping the intake temp down.


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« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2007, 03:07:17 PM »
Tom,

With an aluminum intake, having it natural will disapate the heat the quickest.  Cast iron, I'm not sure.  I can you tihs though, in the world of NHRA's Stock Eliminator class, all of the guys who run the cast iron intake classes do not ceramic coat intakes.  And in their case, they want the heat to disapate as quick as possible.  Most just paint their intakes black.

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« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2007, 05:10:34 PM »
Jerry,

Thatnks for the info, I was thinking more of the heat shield effect from coating the underside of the intake. Not a great important concern, just kind of wondering.

Thanks again,

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« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2007, 06:13:46 PM »
I'm sure in racing, heat built up in certain areas of the engine would be a concern. But since I don't race it is not an issued.
Tom, take a look at Swain Technologly, www.swaintech.com, they have been in the ceramic coating buisness for quite a few years and are pretty well known in  alot of the racing venues. They even discuss the application of ceramic coating to the"underside" of the intake manifold to help decrease heat build up.

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« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2007, 01:02:01 PM »
Moroso also makes a metal heat shield that mounts in the lifter galley.  Does a great job and very inexpensive.  I run one in the Old Reliable Z28 that I race.  Keeps all of the heat off the intake.

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« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2007, 01:52:08 AM »
So what is involved inan aluminum intake "reskinning"?  If you can say wihtout giving away trade secrets ;)  Will the finish last once reinstaleld and run on the car?  Or will it behave as fresh cast aluminum?  I have been considering the best way to clean up my intakes and have them stay looking nice on the car....

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« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2007, 03:09:28 AM »
It's a vibratory tumbling process.  Will not say much more than that as we've worked very hard to perfect this process, chemicals and media.  It's the best for restoring aluminum, and our process meets all NCRS standards too.

Not dull like sand blasting or glass beading would leave it, leaves a nice satin shine just like when the casting was new.  No dust issues or finger prints when touching it.  The best part is the care.  If you spill gas or anything on it, you just take a can of brake clean and a paper towel and wipe it down.  Don't believe me, read the feedback on our web site, www.z28camaro.com.  We do most of the high end resto shops aluminum work and repair nationwide.  A lot of high profile people on our site. 

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« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2007, 06:59:07 PM »
Here's an example of Jerry's "re-skinning" work on the intake and valve covers on my '69 Z/28; he also did the carb, brake booster, distributor, exhaust maniifolds, and alternator.  ;D


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« Reply #32 on: March 03, 2007, 08:07:32 PM »
Jerrys work speaks for its self. If you are doing a factory resto, there is no other choice...... 8)  Ceramic has its place, on hotrods and customs.