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Re: Dealer number
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2018, 01:50:20 PM »
For Kelsey & Sons I have zone 34 dealer 270.

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Re: Dealer number
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2018, 01:51:44 PM »
Steve,
What info did they give you on the L78?

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Re: Dealer number
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2018, 02:03:32 PM »
My Z went through, my L78 was in the dead zone also. It is a 12A car.
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Re: Dealer number
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2018, 02:15:20 PM »
Mike:
This should help you with NCRS, see this web site:
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0517-282648/1970-chevrolet-camaro-z28/

1970 Camaro sold at same dealer, scroll down to the paperwork. There is a Car invoice bottom left, the dealer zone and code appear on the top left section of the invoice. Shows 34 270.
See attached little blurry but still legible:

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Re: Dealer number
« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2018, 02:17:40 PM »
Mike:
PM me your e-mail and I'll send you clearer copy enlarged.

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Re: Dealer number
« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2018, 02:24:05 PM »
Mike,
More info here, scroll to bottom of post:
http://www.truckforum.org/threads/for-sale-1971-chevy-cheyenne-c10-long-bed-at-factory-ac-all-stock.35016/
I e-mailed him asking for any original paperwork showing the zone and code.

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Re: Dealer number
« Reply #36 on: January 23, 2018, 05:18:58 PM »
Hi Paul,

   That dealer info code shown on the document is in the NCRS DB and I wonder if it one of two possibilities:
1- The document in the photo is not original and the NCRS DB info was used to create it.
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2- The dealer code changed based on Ed's reply #20 "First - Every Time GM had a upper management change they restructured the Zones......" and the NCRS DB reflect the changed code.

  Per Marilyn at NCRS she re-checked her research and the dealer code is 267 (what they sent me originally) except the error for the dealer state.

Mike
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Re: Dealer number
« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2018, 05:39:18 PM »
Ok, are you saying that Car invoice is not original in the 1970 ad?
The NCRS on-line database is a compilation what people added to it, nothing to do with what NCRS uses when they research dealer info for orders. They use GM documents and microfiche. However, when we need supporting information to have them change what they have, you need original documents for that. I would say that car invoice is original.

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Re: Dealer number
« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2018, 06:29:12 AM »
I can confirm - Kelsey and Sons in Buellton was 34 270 in 69.
I noticed that with the 34 267 #, NCRS listed them in the town next door, Solvang.
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Re: Dealer number
« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2018, 01:10:42 PM »
Hi Kurt,

   The original owner who lived in Solvang told me he bought it at a dealer in Solvang in 67. I'm not familiar with that part of Ca. but I see Buellton and Solvang are near each other so if the dealer moves to another location, does the code change?

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Mike
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Re: Dealer number
« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2018, 02:27:30 PM »
The information I gathered in my area for several years in the late 60's, early 70's would suggest that the 'dealer number' would change if there was a change in ownership (or name) of the dealership.
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Re: Dealer number
« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2018, 04:22:00 PM »
Hi Paul,
  Interesting reads! This one ( http://www.oldgas.com/shoptalk/ubb/Forum4/HTML/001062.html)  mentions Kelsey moved from Solvang to Buellton but doesn't mention the year. So if Kurt's research shows it was code 270 in 1969 and NCRS shows it as 267 in 1967, I suspect Gary is correct about the code changing when the dealer moved. This leads me to believe that Kelsey moved from Solvang to Buellton sometime between 67 and 69.
  I love splitting hairs research  :)

Thanks!
Mike
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Re: Dealer number
« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2018, 05:02:24 PM »
I obtained a LOT of information re 'Dealer names/codes' and zone numbers from questioning a long time friend of mine who has worked in 4 or 5 of the north alabama dealerships in the PARTS Department over 40+ yrs.   It seems the *parts guys* know more about these changes than anyone else in the dealerships as all the parts that come in to them have the zone/dealer number included.  I 'suspect' that GM uses/used the zone/dealer number for shipping/billing of everything shipped to that dealer (cars and parts as well).   For the Huntsville Alabama dealership (that has changed owners/dealer names a half dozen times since then, the *dealer number changed each time.   For all the north Alabama dealerships, the ZONE number also changed several times due to the *warehouse location* changing over the years (It's been in Birmingham, Atlanta, Mississippi, and now is in Texas I think).

So the point of my 'story' here is to find an OLDer long time parts department manager or employee, they *might* be able to recall the history of the zone/dealer numbers for your dealership of interest.
Gary W / 09C 69Z28-RS, 72 B 720 cowl console rosewood tint
69 Corvette convertible, silver/black 350 hp,
60 Corvette white/red, 72 Corvette coupe, '70 Mach I 
90 ZR1 red/red #246, 90 ZR1 white/gray #2466
72 El Camino, '55-'56-'57 Nomads, '55-'57 B/A Sedan

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Re: Dealer number
« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2018, 06:39:33 AM »
Mike:
Preliminary research; if the car was purchased in Solvang I would venture to guess it was bought at Solvang Motors. It looks like when the dealership moved to Buellton they changed the name to Kelsey & Son.
I have ads still showing Solvang Motors up to July 1966. Then 2 ads from June 23 and June 24 both 1968, that show Kelsey & Son in Buellton. Unfortunately no 1967 ads. Spoke to the Santinez Valley History Museum  and Carriage House today, asked them to research both dealers and find out when they changed names and when they moved. If they get back to me I'll let you know.

Paul