69 RS Z

[X33RS]

The owner of the company my father retired from just bought this one....

http://www.bigboystoys-tn.com/inventory/1969-chevrolet-camaro-z-28-rally-sport 

[cook_dw]

Id be curious to see if its a clone or fake..  Hopefully for the new owner its not.

[X33RS]

I haven't laid eye's on it yet and the add doesn't reveal much.  For the price first thing I thought was fake.  But I'm told numbers matching, but that means different things to different people :shrug:   I'll get a good look at things and see.  It gets delivered today.

I do like the color combo.

[BULLITT65]

I agree, great color. I will be looking forward to your analysis... 

[ban617]

The comfortweave look original in the pics , slightly faded , looks good

[69 Zee]

I'm kinda partial to the Dusk Blue.    A steal if it is what it is ! 

[firstgenaddict]

I've seen the car, I was paid to go to TN to inspect it, I gave Kurt the details a few years ago. It was for sale for 38,000 a few years ago, the cowl tag is real but none of the real drive train is there and the tag shows blue std.

[BULLITT65]

Bummer. Good info though.

Now I would really want to see the stamps, to see what they passed off as the real deal though.

[firstgenaddict]

Kurt is the one who pointed out the interior code was blue std... after the drivetrain wasn't there we stopped pursuing the car.
The place had a NICE 1970 Boss 302 mustang with original paint (needed some metal replacement) for less than 30k I told the guy to buy it over the Camaro all day long.

[69Z28-RS]

I wouldn't mind a '70 Boss 302 sitting next to my Z28 in my garage.. 

[X33RS]

So the tag is real, and if original to the car meaning it's a real Z at least.   A plus this day and age.  I'll have to check it out.  Curious now what's there since he was told matching numbers.   I'm beginning to wonder if it's an original ZL2, bumper, spoiler and gauge car now, lol.

He may not like to hear it 

[69Z28-RS]

When I hear 'matching numbers' these days, I almost 'assume' that someone has MADE the engine/trans/etc numbers 'match' to the car re dates, etc...   

The term I prefer to hear is 'factory original' or 'factory installed'...ie. unmolested, non-restamped, etc...   and don't forget that some sellers even LIE about that..   so verify everything.

[X33RS]

I usually look for "date code correct" as the term commonly thrown around for a car that isn't matching numbers, when someone at least went through the trouble and spent the money to find dated parts, and is being honest about it.

When I hear matching numbers I expect the drivetrain to have original stamped serial numbers that match the body.  There is really no grey area with that term in my opinion.

[69Z28-RS]

We all know that is what those terms *are supposed* to mean, Larry..  but look at all the cars/engines/trans/etc that we find here that are advertised as 'matching numbers' which are restamps...  with all the fakery these days and people just not knowing what they have that they are trying to sell, those terms in an ad are *almost meaningless* unless you can verify it's correct AND original...

[X33RS]

I think us car guys understand the meanings, it's the ill informed that loosely toss the words around, maybe not intentionally creating this dark cloud in the hobby .  Then there are others that see there is money to be made.  Hopefully in this case it's the former and not the latter.

It's exactly why I stated earlier, that matching numbers mean different things to different people.