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Dealer trade?
« on: April 18, 2016, 02:58:12 PM »
VIN: 124379L511422

How can a car with a warranty book and POP showing it was sold in Phoenix AZ have a NCRS report that it was shipped to a dealer in Utah?

Dealer trade?

Paul

Yup, possible.  From Utah to Arizona has me question it though.  That's a hike.  Anyone know of other new cars traded among dealers with that kind of distance?

According to the NCRS my car was sold to a dealer in Ohio, But then my original invoice and the rest of my paperwork shows Plymouth Michigan, and that is where the original owner purchased it, and picked it up in August of 69 new. So I am thinking dealer swap or something.
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-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

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Re: Dealer trade?
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2016, 03:39:44 PM »
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According to the NCRS my car was sold to a dealer in Ohio, But then my original invoice and the rest of my paperwork shows Plymouth Michigan, and that is where the original owner purchased it, and picked it up in August of 69 new. So I am thinking dealer swap or something.

Possible but not likely in my opinion.  How far apart are the dealerships?

More likely that the NCRS is wrong.
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Re: Dealer trade?
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2016, 07:46:19 PM »
seemed like a couple of hours apart (maybe 3)from what remember when I googled it. They did get my production date right (Gary was only off by 1 day on his calculation). I was thinking since it was ordered by purchaser, to speed up the delivery they may have pulled a similar ordered car from the Ohio dealer to deliver that quick. Just guessing here
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-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

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Re: Dealer trade?
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2016, 08:24:23 PM »
Oh it is possible. Just seems if that was the case they could have found one closer than that.
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 - now 468 ci, M21, 12 bolt
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Re: Dealer trade?
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2016, 09:08:54 PM »
VIN: 124379L511422

How can a car with a warranty book and POP showing it was sold in Phoenix AZ have a NCRS report that it was shipped to a dealer in Utah?

Dealer trade?

Paul

Yup, possible.  From Utah to Arizona has me question it though.  That's a hike.  Anyone know of other new cars traded among dealers with that kind of distance?

According to the NCRS my car was sold to a dealer in Ohio, But then my original invoice and the rest of my paperwork shows Plymouth Michigan, and that is where the original owner purchased it, and picked it up in August of 69 new. So I am thinking dealer swap or something.

That's interesting Austin.  I've seen a handful of oddities like this with fords, probably because the Marty information is so readily available for everything so there is more of it floating around.  I haven't heard of this much on GM stuff, likely because of the lack of paperwork so it's neat to hear about it, and the distance thing peaked my interest.

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Re: Dealer trade?
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2016, 09:33:24 PM »
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According to the NCRS my car was sold to a dealer in Ohio, But then my original invoice and the rest of my paperwork shows Plymouth Michigan, and that is where the original owner purchased it, and picked it up in August of 69 new. So I am thinking dealer swap or something.

Possible but not likely in my opinion.  How far apart are the dealerships?

More likely that the NCRS is wrong.

Has there been a documented case of NCRS providing wrong information from the shipping reports?

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Re: Dealer trade?
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2016, 12:23:42 AM »
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According to the NCRS my car was sold to a dealer in Ohio, But then my original invoice and the rest of my paperwork shows Plymouth Michigan, and that is where the original owner purchased it, and picked it up in August of 69 new. So I am thinking dealer swap or something.

Possible but not likely in my opinion.  How far apart are the dealerships?

More likely that the NCRS is wrong.

Has there been a documented case of NCRS providing wrong information from the shipping reports?

Yes, the first report on mine listed the dealer ship 'zone' wrong; it happens that I knew what the zone was supposed to be, so I asked them to check, and it turned out the microfiche card was 'damaged in that area' and they read '31' as '21'...  I got a corrected report later...
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Re: Dealer trade?
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2016, 02:16:06 AM »
my report showed a different dealer, which was close to the selling dealer. I asked if there was a way to check and from what I understood, they couldnt tell what the actual dealers number was.
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Re: Dealer trade?
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2016, 03:46:51 AM »
Ok Gary and Bill who do you ask about this?
(Maybe there is a issue with the micro fiche or something like a hard to read number with mine)

1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2016, 11:45:38 AM »
When Roy Sinor was responsible for this in NCRS, he was very helpful...  He actually left that job before I received my corrected report, and I think a lady (and I can't recall her name without going back and trying to find the email from her) took over for Roy, and finally she provided my corrected report.   You should ask whomever provided your report (if you received what you believe to be an incorrect report).   I had to provide some information on the changes in 'zone' and the dealer code for my car to help them figure out the damaged card. 

Austin,  What did you expect yours to state, and how did it actually differ??  (I don't recall ever seeing results of your report?)..

PS.  Depending on what one is looking for, I've had dealers look far and wide for a car for me when I had unusual requirements (not unusual for me).. :)

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Re: Dealer trade?
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2016, 05:17:48 PM »
Austin, I was just thinking that if it was a dealer trade they should have been able to find one in or around Detroit, much closer than going down into Ohio to find one in 1969.

But honestly you have so much paperwork from your car from the selling dealer, nothing else would matter if it was my car.
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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2016, 05:57:41 PM »
I understand, but I did pay $50 to get the correct NCRS so if it was a dealer swap, thats fine. But if there is a possible error on the NCRS report I would like to make sure. What kind of paperwork would be required for a dealer swap? Or did it just take a phone call from dealer to the other?
Than what would the window sticker say?
( I never got a window sticker with the car, I wonder if this played into it, since the Original owner was a stickler for keeping everything else)

Gary I think it was Marylyn that signed the bottom of mine. I will see if I can email her. thanks
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

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Re: Dealer trade?
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2016, 06:19:01 PM »
How much time elapsed between the time the car was shipped and the date it was sold?
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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2016, 07:27:39 PM »
I am going to contact Marilyn and see if there may be an error in Zone. I do not have the NCRS report in front of me.
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

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Re: Dealer trade?
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2016, 08:16:28 PM »
I don't know Austin, it might not be that unusual, we just don't here about it with GM cars much because there isn't all that much documentation floating around.

I looked at the paper work on my SCJ again just to see what the date spread was.  Wasn't Oklahoma by the way it was Kansas, (memory lapse on my part) lol.   It was delivered March 4th to a dealer in Dodge City Kansas,  On March 27th I have paperwork showing it was sold to a dealer in Scott City, Kansas, and then sold to the first owner on April 7th.    I googled the distance between dealers and it's 88 miles.

If this happened with Fords, and many documents supporting it, then I'm sure it happened with Chevrolets.  I wouldn't sweat it too much.  Sometimes it's something as simple as the color that sends people or dealers off on a search like that.  Shucks I had to go all the way to Texas to get the duramax I wanted, lol.