Author Topic: Caveat Emptor...a little early methinks  (Read 4985 times)

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Re: Caveat Emptor...a little early methinks
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2016, 04:44:53 PM »
How can a car with a warranty book and POP showing it was sold in Phoenix AZ have a NCRS report that it was shipped to a dealer in Utah?



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Re: Caveat Emptor...a little early methinks
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2016, 05:49:11 PM »
VIN: 124379L511422

How can a car with a warranty book and POP showing it was sold in Phoenix AZ have a NCRS report that it was shipped to a dealer in Utah?

Dealer trade?

Paul

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Re: Caveat Emptor...a little early methinks
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2016, 06:11:08 PM »
Numerous "issues" ...
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Re: Caveat Emptor...a little early methinks
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2016, 11:03:48 PM »
VIN: 124379L511422

How can a car with a warranty book and POP showing it was sold in Phoenix AZ have a NCRS report that it was shipped to a dealer in Utah?

Dealer trade?

Paul

Seems unlikely to me. Some COPO's may have been dealer traded if they sat around a while, but this was shipped and sold in less than a month(12/5/68-1/3/69).

Every documented COPO I have seen has been much later in production and a Norwood car.

When the NCRS reports became available, I figured there would be some fake POP's discovered when the made up data did not match the shipping report. This may very well be one of those cases.

On the bright side, it's a nice looking car with interesting ownership history for not real COPO money.

At least it does not have a certificate of authenticity with it!

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Re: Caveat Emptor...a little early methinks
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2016, 04:12:06 AM »
Could be the lighting, but that red paint looks to bright to be Garnet Red IMO.
William wouldn't that rear end be from January of 70 since it is a "C" BE ?
(January of 69 would just read BE)
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Re: Caveat Emptor...a little early methinks
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2016, 12:17:29 PM »
How can a car with a warranty book and POP showing it was sold in Phoenix AZ have a NCRS report that it was shipped to a dealer in Utah?




That sounds like quite a distance to be possible in this case but I do know cars were moved among dealers and sold other places.  My SCJ mustang is that way.  Per the Marti Report it was special ordered and delivered at one dealer in Oklahoma.  Then about 3 weeks later on the Marti it was moved to another dealer about 40 miles away in Oklahoma and sold there.

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Re: Caveat Emptor...a little early methinks
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2016, 12:21:34 PM »
VIN: 124379L511422

How can a car with a warranty book and POP showing it was sold in Phoenix AZ have a NCRS report that it was shipped to a dealer in Utah?

Dealer trade?

Paul

Yup, possible.  From Utah to Arizona has me question it though.  That's a hike.  Anyone know of other new cars traded among dealers with that kind of distance?

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Re: Caveat Emptor...a little early methinks
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2016, 12:24:17 PM »
Could be the lighting, but that red paint looks to bright to be Garnet Red IMO.
William wouldn't that rear end be from January of 70 since it is a "C" BE ?
(January of 69 would just read BE)

It would be too wide for the car if it were a 70 model rear...

Did I read your question correctly?

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Re: Caveat Emptor...a little early methinks
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2016, 01:06:59 PM »
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-427-COPO-/152056154140?forcerrptr=true&hash=item236740c81c:g:zeIAAOSw3mpXEYfl&item=152056154140

How can a car produced December 5, 1968 have an axle dated January 7, 1969?
Would it be possible the axle failed under warranty (hard driving?) and it was swapped out entirely soon after?
I would think that unlike a motor, a whole rear would just be swapped if bad.
Just a guess,
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Re: Caveat Emptor...a little early methinks
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2016, 02:08:25 PM »
The axle is one of several chronological anomalies that require explanation.

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Re: Caveat Emptor...a little early methinks
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2016, 02:35:29 PM »
Lots of "creativity" on the drivetrain.
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Re: Caveat Emptor...a little early methinks
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2016, 05:20:26 PM »
We were getting a bit off topic on this car. The other posts about a dealer trade were split off into a new thread.
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 coupe - now 468 cubic inch BBC/M21
1967 RS/SS 396 coupe L35/M40 - 4 generation family project
Looking for 68 Camaro with body # NOR 181016

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Re: Caveat Emptor...a little early methinks
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2016, 07:02:34 PM »
The Ebay ad shows listing ended because the car is no longer available.

I wonder if that means the seller decided not to sell or if there is a new owner? I guess time will tell. It's sure to pop up again somewhere.

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Re: Caveat Emptor...a little early methinks
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2016, 08:24:13 PM »
I suspect the car was sold that is why the E-Bay ad was removed, the hype around someone famous owning it was the big selling point....
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