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Trunk Spatter Paint Color for 1st Gens.
« on: November 17, 2005, 07:55:15 PM »
I've been in discussing this issue with a friend of mine, and we both came to the conclusion that the trunks in 1st gen cars are supposed to be Grey & White spatter instead of Black & Aqua which is being touted as correct. We have access to three totally original, non-restored 1st gen cars, from 67 to 69, and all are grey & white.

If that is what is really correct, then why are places like Ricks only selling Black & Aqua??????

Any takers / suggestions / remarks ???

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Re: Trunk Spatter Paint Color for 1st Gens.
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2005, 12:44:40 PM »
my 69 z28 van nuys built, is black/aqua.
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Re: Trunk Spatter Paint Color for 1st Gens.
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2005, 01:29:39 PM »
Interesting...the three cars I looked at were Norwood cars..........

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Re: Trunk Spatter Paint Color for 1st Gens.
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2005, 04:40:21 PM »
My original/unmolested '69 02D Norwood Z/28 is black/aqua.  :)
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Re: Trunk Spatter Paint Color for 1st Gens.
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2005, 06:20:19 PM »
The paint used was described in period refinshing literature as "blue-grey-aqua multi-fleck".

Having the correct paint is only half the battle. It is difficult to replicate the pattern and spatter size. Back in the '80s we used OE paint and never did get it to match in a side-by-side comparison with an original.

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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2005, 07:45:15 PM »
I hope I'm not opening up the preverbial Pandora's box, but I can't find any definite answer on this subject.

None of McNeish's books eludes to this. I thinking is kind of important to get what's right and wrong.....

Could GM used both ????

I've had people "in the know" tell me different things......

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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2005, 11:12:40 PM »
What colors were these original cars that you've looked at? Not saying it's impossible, but I can't recall ever seeing a grey/white trunk that was original. I've dealt with 67/68 primarily though, 69's might be different.

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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2005, 01:05:07 AM »
Correction:

The 11/71 rev of the R-M 1969 Chevrolet colors lists trunk paint as #844 black-gray-aqua multiflek.

We used it and it matched.

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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2005, 08:27:57 AM »
I have a 12D 68 LOS car and it was gray/white, I read in one of my books it was gray white to early mid year production for 68 then changed over black/aqua.  To late right now to dig through my books but I'll look and post what book it's in.  I know you can't believe everything you read but I know what my car had.  GM also still sells the paint and it was a pretty good match, also dries pretty hard unlike the repop stuff.  Not water proof, but water resistant.
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2005, 06:33:01 PM »
My 1967 03D Camaro RS when I bought it had original sheetmetal, original paint and unmolested trunk. Trunk splatter paint was/is black/aqua. I can post pictures later.

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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2005, 10:30:16 PM »
William is correct. I checked with Jerry M and he recommended ordering paint from Larry Christensen at christensenZL1@comcast.net if you want the correct Dupont custom color in solvent based form for use in a splatter gun or Schutz gun.

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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2005, 03:43:42 AM »
Any info on how high towards the deck lid the spatter went ?  Thanks, Bruce   

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Re: Trunk Spatter Paint Color for 1st Gens.
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2005, 03:46:05 PM »
It varied a lot (imagine yourself leaning into the trunk with a spray gun with instructions NOT to get any on the body color edge of the gutter around the opening); my original Norwood 02D car has coverage right up to the top of the deck lid latch, and most of the inside of the tail panel is covered, along with the hinge boxes and hinge arms.  :)

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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2005, 11:53:14 PM »
Here's a pic of my former 02A LA built 69 Z. This car had the best trunk I've ever seen.
« Last Edit: December 23, 2005, 11:54:51 PM by Ed Ernst »
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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2006, 10:06:06 PM »
Here's a shot of my 69 van nuys car - built in Sept '68.  Looks like Black with grey flecks in the picture - will have to look at it up close again to be sure.

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« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2006, 11:53:09 PM »
My 04A 68 Norwood has the black/gray pattern
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« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2006, 01:53:48 PM »
My 67 Norwood has the black/grey combo.
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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2007, 02:09:03 AM »
Attached are pics of the splatter paint from a survivor 69 Pace Car. The car's build date is 03D.  The splatter paint is black/aqua.

As JohnZ noted about how the splatter paint not to "splatter" up onto the body color area of the gutter, the splatter paint on the RH side was up to the area where the gutter wrapped in to the trunk area.  I don't recall that the LH side was similar. Also note the splatter paint on the trunk latch and bolts, and around the underside of the tail light housings.

I have seen other unrestored 69's and the splatter paint has appeared black/aqua and varied greatly in the spray patterns throughout the trunk.   

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Re: Trunk Spatter Paint Color for 1st Gens.
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2007, 02:11:20 AM »
OOOOPS, pulled the trigger and forgot the pictures!

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« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2007, 02:13:12 AM »
Here are a couple of more....

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Re: Trunk Spatter Paint Color for 1st Gens.
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2007, 10:50:39 AM »
My trunk on my 67 is aqua and black. I have never seen anything other than that, not to say there wasn't the other.

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Re: Trunk Spatter Paint Color for 1st Gens.
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2007, 06:10:42 AM »
At what point during the assembly of the car was the splatter paint applied? After the filler neck,tail lights,bumper brackets were installed or before?

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« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2007, 04:33:18 PM »
At what point during the assembly of the car was the splatter paint applied? After the filler neck,tail lights,bumper brackets were installed or before?

The trunk spatter paint was applied in the Paint Shop, when the body was just a shell, long before any trim or hardware parts were installed.

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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2007, 02:30:46 PM »
Two vendors are making the correct truck spatter paint for first gen Camaros.  Larry Christensen at Camaros Plus in Arvada, CO and Brian Henderson at Supercar Workshop in LaTrobe, PA.  Both are the accepted standard in concours judging and pretty damn close to the original.  A professional pressure gun is needed to apply this paint.  If you are hoping to find the right stuff in a rattle can, forget it.

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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2007, 07:30:12 PM »
Fortunately (I hope), I bought and used cans of original GM splatter paint years ago, for my restoration.  I must assume that it was GM over-the-counter service paint.  It looks very close to what I have observed in original/survivor cars.  However; I would agree with Jerry@CHP because of the batch lot and spray patterns with a pro spray guns may not match that from a repro rattle can.

If you do buy repro rattle cans (like most of us need to do), test it on card board and look at it for a day to two, to comparer it to the "original" splatter spray in your trunk.  Buy 3 4 cans and a couple cans of sealer made for splatter paint.  You may need touch-up paint at some point in the future.  If only the absolute correct spray is desired, Jerry provided several good sources.  I have purchased numerous parts from Larry C.  He has a very impressive lot of Camaros, and is a good resource for info.

Note in the pics that the camera flash can washout the color so that the black/aqua may look black/gray to black/white. So verify with documentation or pics of your own trunk paint if original to try and duplicate it.

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« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2009, 06:28:53 PM »
The trunk spatter paint was applied in the Paint Shop, when the body was just a shell, long before any trim or hardware parts were installed.

John/Jerry,
Would the Shock Plates in a 68 have splatter on them?

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Re: Trunk Spatter Paint Color for 1st Gens.
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2009, 04:15:07 PM »
John/Jerry,
Would the Shock Plates in a 68 have splatter on them?

Nope. The shocks were installed many hours later by Chevrolet, on the other side of the plant.

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« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2009, 06:16:03 AM »
Thanks John!  One other thing, the steel cover for the gas filler neck, am I correct in assuming that it was hung in the trunk somewhere and sprayed then installed later like the ballast weights for convertibles...or maybe just put in place but not screwed down??

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« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2009, 07:22:39 PM »
Thanks John!  One other thing, the steel cover for the gas filler neck, am I correct in assuming that it was hung in the trunk somewhere and sprayed then installed later like the ballast weights for convertibles...or maybe just put in place but not screwed down??

I'm not familiar with that detail on 68's, but the A.I.M. shows it as a Chevrolet-installed part, so it wouldn't be present in the Paint Shop; RatPack can give you a better answer.

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« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2009, 06:16:21 AM »
Thanks again John!

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« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2009, 02:08:25 PM »
Anyone got some some pic's of a original 68 trunk???  Seems almost every pic I see is of a 69 and the ones that aren't don't have the filler neck cover in the shot >:(  Just need to know if it's splattered too and if so is the mounting screw splattered and is the latch support splattered behind where the cover installs?
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« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2009, 02:45:05 PM »
Hey Chris,
  I have a 68 Z28 with an original trunk.  I will try to get some photos today.

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« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2009, 02:51:18 PM »
Two vendors are making the correct truck spatter paint for first gen Camaros.  Larry Christensen at Camaros Plus in Arvada, CO and Brian Henderson at Supercar Workshop in LaTrobe, PA.  Both are the accepted standard in concours judging and pretty damn close to the original.  A professional pressure gun is needed to apply this paint.  If you are hoping to find the right stuff in a rattle can, forget it.

Jerry

Jerry, would you know if anyone is distributing this product up here in Canada? I went for a longshot today and tried my local GM Dealership for the splatter paint that was previously posted here....not even on their Radar anymore....thanks in advance for your help.

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« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2009, 04:06:02 PM »
Hey Chris,
  I have a 68 Z28 with an original trunk.  I will try to get some photos today.

Jerry G.


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« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2009, 12:39:29 AM »
Pex,
Check your e-mail for trunk pictures. Hope it helps.
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« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2009, 12:15:26 PM »
Pex,
Check your e-mail for trunk pictures. Hope it helps.
  VTFB68

VTFB68, didn't get the email, could you send again?
Jerry G., anything you can send or post too would be great!
Getting ready to re-spray trunk...

Could you guys also let me know date & plant of the cars?

Thanks again guys!

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Re: Trunk Spatter Paint Color for 1st Gens.
« Reply #36 on: June 03, 2009, 06:39:44 PM »
The GM paint is still obtainable. 1051499 for black/aqua   1051498 for gray/white
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« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2009, 01:24:24 PM »
Chris.....I have a 07C 1968 Norwood car.  Haven't had a chance to get to the garage with the camara but I did go by and look.  It has a coating of black and white speckle and the gas filler cover is speckled but the screw looks like a regular phosphate one and it appears to be speckled behind the filler tube as well.

Hope that helps...
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« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2009, 02:14:33 PM »

So you are saying that the trunk and cover where spatter painted at the same time  then the cover was installed later  in the production process. Does anyone know where the cover was actually spatter painted ( in the trunk on a wire or off line)?
What color is the back of the cover? Some % of black or body primer?
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Chris.....I have a 07C 1968 Norwood car.  Haven't had a chance to get to the garage with the camaro but I did go by and look.  It has a coating of black and white speckle and the gas filler cover is speckled but the screw looks like a regular phosphate one and it appears to be speckled behind the filler tube as well.

Hope that helps...
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« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2009, 03:24:32 PM »
Am I correct in assuming there was never carpet or liner installed by the factory?

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« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2009, 04:02:39 PM »
Am I correct in assuming there was never carpet or liner installed by the factory?
Deluxe interior received trunk mat.
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« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2009, 07:28:05 PM »
All of the ones I have observed had spatter paint on them, so Chevrolet must have been painting them. I will see if I can dig up some pictures of the original ones I have around here that are not restored...................RatPack.......................
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Re: Trunk Spatter Paint Color for 1st Gens.
« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2009, 08:22:58 PM »
The GM paint is still obtainable. 1051499 for black/aqua   1051498 for gray/white

Question is, does it look the same?  I know GM sells it in the spray can, but I'm fairly certain it doesn't look the same.  Perhaps I'm off on this.  Anyone have experience with it?

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« Reply #43 on: June 04, 2009, 11:32:49 PM »
The GM paint is still obtainable. 1051499 for black/aqua   1051498 for gray/white

Question is, does it look the same?  I know GM sells it in the spray can, but I'm fairly certain it doesn't look the same.  Perhaps I'm off on this.  Anyone have experience with it?

It's close, and dries rock hard, but being that it is being sprayed from a can and not a gun the pattern is way off so it looks totally different.

Really appreciate all the help from from everyone so far!!!