Author Topic: International Camaro Club (Read 19083 times)

ko-lek-tor · « **on:** March 31, 2016, 01:22:17 PM »

Could someone give me some History on the International Camaro Club? The patch on this jacket says, 25th Anniversary. I am trying to learn what date that might be. Yes, I did some searching here and Google, but did not turn up a date. Thanks, CRG.

69Z28-RS · « **Reply #1 on:** March 31, 2016, 01:31:33 PM »

I think the 25th Anniversary was referring to the 25th year of production for the Camaro (1967 + 25 yrs), although some of those 'clubs' were begun more than 25 yrs ago (prior to now).

Note re some of these 'clubs': They are not really 'clubs', but are privately owned BUSINESSES, intended solely for the profit of the owner. They sell 'memberships', which are really nothing but subscriptions to poor magazines for the most part, until they realize they don't make money printing magazines, and then stop without any compensation to the 'members'. The 'members' of these 'clubs' have Zero input to the operation of the organization. One (or both?) of these Camaro organizations was begun by an individual who began the CCCI (as a club), but when we incorporated due to growth, he put his own name down as 'owner'. When questioned about this by all the people who worked for the club, he said he had to put down something and it didn't 'mean anything'... It probably didn't mean anything until he sold our 'club' to a private business a couple of years later and profited to the tune of $$$SevenMillion$$$.

HOT3O2 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 31, 2016, 03:44:07 PM »

Gary, What did CCCI stand for?

ko-lek-tor · « **Reply #3 on:** March 31, 2016, 07:08:57 PM »

Quote from: 69Z28-RS on March 31, 2016, 01:31:33 PM

I think the 25th Anniversary was referring to the 25th year of production for the Camaro (1967 + 25 yrs), although some of those 'clubs' were begun more than 25 yrs ago (prior to now).

Hey, never thought of that Gary? Bet you are right. That would be 1992! Makes sense based on the other patches.

All that club stuff usually ends in 'hard feelings', agreed. If I do belong to a club, it is just as a member and not active. I am sure the idea was for all to volunteer and help the club. the more invested you are, the harder to walk away when things go awry. But this is not the real topic which should be adhered to. It was just an observation on Gary's comment and since I am the OP, I can. But I do not want the thread to go in this direction, so I ask that this part of the conversation be dropped in the interest of not bashing clubs, personalities, etc...Thanks, B.

VINCE Z28 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 31, 2016, 08:38:00 PM »

I remember them being around late 1980's early 90's. They started a pace car registry back then but can't recall when the ICC got started , some of the key members here should know.

69Z28-RS · « **Reply #5 on:** April 01, 2016, 12:09:00 AM »

Quote from: Hot302 on March 31, 2016, 03:44:07 PM

Gary, What did CCCI stand for?

Classic Chevy Club International... was initially a 'club'... then D.M. declared himself the owner, and sold it for $7M... it's now a part of the Eckler industries... in Florida.

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 01, 2016, 04:39:15 AM »

Gary I thought you declared yourself treasurer .... Shouldn't you have Overseen the sale and disbursement to the shareholders (members)?

Kidding.

I didn't realize there was a dark side of the club scene.

Bentley where did you dig up that jacket?

69Z28-RS · « **Reply #7 on:** April 01, 2016, 04:55:02 AM »

No, I was not the treasurer...

Doug M. took the money and RAN.. then created one of the Camaro clubs (I can't remember which one?)... probably thinking he would do it all over again..?

PS. since I was one of the first *lifetime* members of the original CCCI 'club', helping raise money to reproduce parts, I still get the 'club' newsletter (Classic Chevy World - original title), now just called 'Chevy Classics' and printed/produced by Ecklers. Let's see... I paid $175 for a lifetime membership around 1978??, which has turned into a subscription to the Ecklers monthly magazine/sales catalog... going on 38 yrs worth?

bertfam · « **Reply #8 on:** April 01, 2016, 05:46:14 AM »

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PS. since I was one of the first *lifetime* members of the original CCCI 'club', helping raise money to reproduce parts, I still get the 'club' newsletter (Classic Chevy World - original title), now just called 'Chevy Classics' and printed/produced by Ecklers. Let's see... I paid $175 for a lifetime membership around 1978??, which has turned into a subscription to the Ecklers monthly magazine/sales catalog... going on 38 yrs worth?

Hey, you're lucky! I was a "year by year" member of the CCCI (joined in 1974 when it first came out - member number was in the low 100's, but I don't remember the exact number), but then I let the membership laps after a few years because I sold my 57. I then bought my 55 Nomad and rejoined in 1980 or so as a lifetime member (member number 17180), and I don't get squat! I have EVERY issue of Classic Chevy World magazine form the first to the last, INCLUDING the two "Tech Books" (volume 1 and volume 2)!

I was SO P!$$ED when the club got sold. Like everyone else I guess.

Ed

68camaroz28 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 01, 2016, 10:59:37 AM »

Quote from: ko-lek-tor on March 31, 2016, 01:22:17 PM

Could someone give me some History on the International Camaro Club? The patch on this jacket says, 25th Anniversary. I am trying to learn what date that might be. Yes, I did some searching here and Google, but did not turn up a date. Thanks, CRG.

Interesting story Ed and info I was not aware of. Wow, I'd be you know what also!
What I liked was the jacket shown! I have some old patches and need to purchase some period looking attire and add them. Got me thinking, be neat if we had a CRG patch.

ko-lek-tor · « **Reply #10 on:** April 01, 2016, 11:41:44 AM »

OK guys. Thanks for replies. Scored this just a few days ago on another site for those who are curious. Here is the whole jacket. Looks like it might even be made in the U.S. It was bought new in the early 70's(have not received item yet).

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 01, 2016, 01:21:58 PM »

cool jacket. Deffinitley a conversation starter.
You could pass as Bloomington Gold Judge wearing that thing around.

HOT3O2 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 01, 2016, 10:22:53 PM »

Is anybody familiar with the "National Muscle Car Association"? I believe they put out a magazine called Fast Class that you got as a club member. I think it was back in the 80's.

69 Zee · « **Reply #13 on:** April 02, 2016, 03:57:54 AM »

Quote from: 69Z28-RS on April 01, 2016, 04:55:02 AM

PS. since I was one of the first *lifetime* members of the original CCCI 'club', helping raise money to reproduce parts, I still get the 'club' newsletter (Classic Chevy World - original title), now just called 'Chevy Classics' and printed/produced by Ecklers. Let's see... I paid $175 for a lifetime membership around 1978??, which has turned into a subscription to the Ecklers monthly magazine/sales catalog... going on 38 yrs worth?

Well Gary, If my math served me right..lol, Your making out. At 38 yrs and 3 month worth (459 months) for $175 bucks that just a tad over .38 cents per monthly issue and getting cheaper every month you continue to receive the mag...lol

If one was to factor in the cost of printing/shipping.....well your waaaaaaay ahead. Did you say "No, I was not the treasurer"...hehehe! J.K.

Bentley, very cool jacket.

69Z28-RS · « **Reply #14 on:** April 02, 2016, 11:25:16 AM »

No complaints from me in that regards, but $175 in 1978 was a significant amount to me..

.. I only paid $1000 for a good '68 Z28 in 1974... and there IS the 'cost of money' to be factored in...

68 Ragtop · « **Reply #15 on:** April 04, 2016, 11:13:32 PM »

What ever happened to the United States Camaro Club? I think I may have joined that one around 1990 because I have that sticker.

It's understandable to feel left out when a club you belong to, but have no control over, gets sold out.

Remember when Team Camaro was sold? It sure seems like things changed a bit after that.

I also wonder what would happen if a big money was offered for CRG and they sold. That would be bad. Many people contribute to CRG believing it is an altruistic group dedicated to gathering and analyzing data for the greater good. And for the most part it is, but the reality is it's probably owned by one or more individuals and most of us have no control over it.

bertfam · « **Reply #16 on:** April 04, 2016, 11:28:31 PM »

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I also wonder what would happen if a big money was offered for CRG and they sold. That would be bad. Many people contribute to CRG believing it is an altruistic group dedicated to gathering and analyzing data for the greater good. And for the most part it is, but the reality is it's probably owned by one or more individuals and most of us have no control over it.

NOPE! The Camaro Research Group is owned by no one. Kurt Sonen is the Copyright Manager and Doug DePew owns (or at least supplies) the server space (for free I might add), but no one person owns the Camaro Research Group. In a sense, it's owned by no one and everyone!

And I know of NO plans to sell the site or the name, and I can definitely tell you the data will NEVER be sold or disclosed to ANYONE but other CRG members, and then only if it's required. There are only three or four people that have access to the data and it's because they maintain their particular years. I used to have the 1968 cars, but it was taken over by Steve when I left.

And speaking of leaving, I get numerous emails asking when I'll be coming back and all I can say is that I'm still having personal issues, so it won't be any time soon. However, I DO foresee a time in the (not too distant) future when I'll be returning. If they'll have me!

Ed

ko-lek-tor · « **Reply #17 on:** April 04, 2016, 11:34:19 PM »

Quote from: bertfam on April 04, 2016, 11:28:31 PM

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I also wonder what would happen if a big money was offered for CRG and they sold. That would be bad. Many people contribute to CRG believing it is an altruistic group dedicated to gathering and analyzing data for the greater good. And for the most part it is, but the reality is it's probably owned by one or more individuals and most of us have no control over it.

NOPE! The Camaro Research Group is owned by no one. Kurt Sonen is the Copyright Manager and Doug DePew owns (or at least supplies) the server space (for free I might add), but no one person owns the Camaro Research Group. In a sense, it's owned by no one and everyone!

And I know of NO plans to sell the site or the name.

Ed

Amen. The answer I was hoping and expecting. Thanks Ed.

68 Ragtop · « **Reply #18 on:** April 05, 2016, 01:27:12 AM »

Quote from: bertfam on April 04, 2016, 11:28:31 PM

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I also wonder what would happen if a big money was offered for CRG and they sold. That would be bad. Many people contribute to CRG believing it is an altruistic group dedicated to gathering and analyzing data for the greater good. And for the most part it is, but the reality is it's probably owned by one or more individuals and most of us have no control over it.

NOPE! The Camaro Research Group is owned by no one. Kurt Sonen is the Copyright Manager and Doug DePew owns (or at least supplies) the server space (for free I might add), but no one person owns the Camaro Research Group. In a sense, it's owned by no one and everyone!

And I know of NO plans to sell the site or the name, and I can definitely tell you the data will NEVER be sold or disclosed to ANYONE but other CRG members, and then only if it's required. There are only three or four people that have access to the data and it's because they maintain their particular years. I used to have the 1968 cars, but it was taken over by Steve when I left.

And speaking of leaving, I get numerous emails asking when I'll be coming back and all I can say is that I'm still having personal issues, so it won't be any time soon. However, I DO foresee a time in the (not too distant) future when I'll be returning. If they'll have me!

Ed

Well that's good news. I suppose if it's set up so no one person owns it that would make selling out more difficult.

But some one, or LLC, or something, must own the domain name. Is CRG modeled after any other group?

BillOhio · « **Reply #19 on:** April 05, 2016, 02:27:24 AM »

Glad to see Ed back on the forum anyway. His post are always informative.

bertfam · « **Reply #20 on:** April 05, 2016, 02:30:10 AM »

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But some one, or LLC, or something, must own the domain name. Is CRG modeled after any other group?

Kurt is listed as the IP owner (Intellectual Property Rights owner), but I'm not sure if he owns the domain name or not. That may be Doug. I'll have to have Kurt chime in.

As for the CRG being modeled after any other group, it was originally (and informally) associated with Wayne Guinn's camaro-Untoldsecrets.com (no longer active), but evolved into it's own entity with additional requirements, restrictions and set of rules. the CRG history is actually pretty interesting, and is more than what's stated on the ABOUT page! Next year will be the "official" 20th anniversary (although it's been around a little longer than that in an unofficial capacity)!

Kurt might have more to add (or correct!)

Ed

KurtS · « **Reply #21 on:** April 06, 2016, 03:22:51 AM »

Not much to add. It's a group thing.
Thanks to Doug for covering the costs for operating the site.
We accept no advertising and have no interest in cashing in - that's not why we started the group.

BULLITT65 · « **Reply #22 on:** April 06, 2016, 05:30:58 AM »

Glad to see you back Ed.

Thanks Doug for the server space, and making it easy for us to enjoy!

Vince · « **Reply #23 on:** April 06, 2016, 04:52:15 PM »

Quote from: 68 Ragtop on April 04, 2016, 11:13:32 PM

What ever happened to the United States Camaro Club? I think I may have joined that one around 1990 because I have that sticker.

It's understandable to feel left out when a club you belong to, but have no control over, gets sold out.

Remember when Team Camaro was sold? It sure seems like things changed a bit after that.

I also wonder what would happen if a big money was offered for CRG and they sold. That would be bad. Many people contribute to CRG believing it is an altruistic group dedicated to gathering and analyzing data for the greater good. And for the most part it is, but the reality is it's probably owned by one or more individuals and most of us have no control over it.

I'm only going by memory so I might not get this all correct or the dates accurate. My memory isn't what it used to be for sure. I joined the United States Camaro Club I think in the late 1980's when it was based in Dayton, Ohio. They moved to Apopka, Florida sometime in the early 1990's. They had a bi-monthly magazine called "Camaro Corral" originally which was changed at some point to "Camaro Enthusiast". In the late 1990's or early 2000's they were taken over by Classic Chevys (I think specializing in 1955-57 Chevys), which was then or soon became Eckler's. I stopped sending in my membership dues soon after. In my opinion with each succeeding move, the U.S. Camaro Club became less enjoyable and less of what I joined the club for in the first place, which was to connect with other Camaro buffs and learn more about all generations of Camaros.
Just to add: the best Camaro club I ever belonged to was in the late 1970's to early 1980's here in California called the California Z/28 Association. I don't know whatever happened to them, but I think they have been gone for decades.

68 Ragtop · « **Reply #24 on:** April 07, 2016, 06:33:38 PM »

That's it. I had those Camaro Corral magazines for years then finally tossed them when I moved about 20 years ago.

HOT3O2 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 07, 2016, 08:53:25 PM »

I still have my complete sets of the "Camaro Corral" and "Camaro Enthusiast". A lot of great articles and information. (Back then there were no computers to look things up. You actually had to read a magazine or book to get the info). Also a lot of great pictures in those magazines. I'm sure a lot of members on this site had there cars in those magazines and don't even know it. But I believe beginning in the 90's it was turned into "Camaro World".

Steve Shauger · « **Reply #26 on:** April 07, 2016, 09:02:41 PM »

The ICC was based in the Pennsylvania Poconos region. They had many regional chapters and a newsletter. I was a member for many years and believe the club disbanded in about 1998. I used to really enjoy their Camaro National show in the Poconos. The ACA picked up the pieces and resurrected the Camaro Nationals show in Carlisle in 1999 and relocated in Fredrick MD in 2010 or 2011.

SMS · « **Reply #27 on:** November 10, 2020, 09:10:12 PM »

Quote from: HOT3O2 on April 07, 2016, 08:53:25 PM

I still have my complete sets of the "Camaro Corral" and "Camaro Enthusiast". A lot of great articles and information. (Back then there were no computers to look things up. You actually had to read a magazine or book to get the info). Also a lot of great pictures in those magazines. I'm sure a lot of members on this site had there cars in those magazines and don't even know it. But I believe beginning in the 90's it was turned into "Camaro World".

Rick,
Any chance you have the Sept/October 1996 issue of Camaro Enthusiast? I'm looking for a detailed 68 Z under hood pic that is published in that one.

Thanks,
Bill

x66 714 · « **Reply #28 on:** November 11, 2020, 12:02:57 AM »

Read hear Bill....Joe

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=15818.0

SMS · « **Reply #29 on:** November 11, 2020, 01:08:12 AM »

This is the article and photo I’m looking for a copy of.

67conv6cyl · « **Reply #30 on:** November 11, 2020, 02:38:35 AM »

I also was a member of several Camaro clubs in my early twenties and also kept all the magazines....always looked forward to the next issue of the next icc, Camaro corral, and camaro enthusiasts.
That being said I have enjoyed and learned more from CRG then all clubs combined.

HOT3O2 · « **Reply #31 on:** November 11, 2020, 03:27:41 PM »

Bill, PM sent.

169INDY · « **Reply #32 on:** November 11, 2020, 08:00:35 PM »

USCC Mags, Funny the Cat must like the Taste of Cardboard, Little Minx.

PNWCC Member # 010.

Jim

x66 714 · « **Reply #33 on:** November 11, 2020, 08:07:10 PM »

One of my cats chews on cardboard also...Joe

VINCE Z28 · « **Reply #34 on:** November 12, 2020, 12:43:24 AM »

Jim, was Don Berry Member #1 ?. Terry CRCC Member#68

169INDY · « **Reply #35 on:** November 12, 2020, 02:18:30 AM »

Yes, He advertised a Meeting in (Gosh 84 or 85) Everett the intent to meet and form a actual Club separate from the WWCC (Western Wa Camaro Club) & the response was great. I get to see Don at Bremerton Raceway with His Nova & 6cyl Running down the track. Don is Great Camaro Fella in the PNW one of the Best. The cooperation between Vanc BC Canada club & the Two Wash clubs (I think CRCC was based in Vanc Wa>?) was a spectacular era. I was in teh USCC also. The Bi Monthly Pubs were a wonderful resource at the time. I sure Liked the Shows in Wilsonville Ore.

Jim

Silvrmax04 · « **Reply #36 on:** November 12, 2020, 11:10:14 PM »

Any one heard of the magazine called “In the Fast Lane” by the ICC? I have the July/August 1987 edition.

HOT3O2 · « **Reply #37 on:** November 13, 2020, 02:46:31 PM »

Yes,I was part of that club for a while and have some of the magazines.

Silvrmax04 · « **Reply #38 on:** November 16, 2020, 12:22:01 AM »

Do you have an extra or want to part with the 87 July/August edition. Wouldn’t mind having an extra as my car is on the cover and 2 articles about it. One being how to decode the trim tag using mine as an example.

HOT3O2 · « **Reply #39 on:** November 16, 2020, 08:45:10 PM »

Let me check. I’ll get back with you.

HOT3O2 · « **Reply #40 on:** November 16, 2020, 09:01:47 PM »

I checked and I don’t have that issue.Did come across a set of Fast Class magazines from the National Muscle Car Association and a dozen or so Super Chevy magazines from the early 80’s.

Silvrmax04 · « **Reply #41 on:** November 17, 2020, 12:22:23 AM »

Thanks for looking. Where are you from? My car came out of the NY, NJ area. I also have a large ICC decal on the driver rear window with the 1st 3 generations on it.

HOT3O2 · « **Reply #42 on:** November 17, 2020, 01:41:09 AM »

I’m down in San Diego. Back in the early 80’s I was joining every car club I came across. Love re reading those old magazines. They have some great articles and pictures.

Silvrmax04 · « **Reply #43 on:** November 17, 2020, 10:43:26 PM »

Oh. Ok. I thought you may have been here on the east coast. Yes a lot of good articles. Takes you back.

camaroboy68ss · « **Reply #44 on:** November 18, 2020, 06:01:14 PM »

Quote from: 169INDY on November 12, 2020, 02:18:30 AM

Yes, He advertised a Meeting in (Gosh 84 or 85) Everett the intent to meet and form a actual Club separate from the WWCC (Western Wa Camaro Club) & the response was great. I get to see Don at Bremerton Raceway with His Nova & 6cyl Running down the track. Don is Great Camaro Fella in the PNW one of the Best. The cooperation between Vanc BC Canada club & the Two Wash clubs (I think CRCC was based in Vanc Wa>?) was a spectacular era. I was in teh USCC also. The Bi Monthly Pubs were a wonderful resource at the time. I sure Liked the Shows in Wilsonville Ore.

quite a few PNW Camaro clubs formed in the early 80's. Columbia River Camaro Club formed in 82. We are still chugging, almost folded around 2005/2006 but the 5th gen saved us with an influx of new members.

westonz28 · « **Reply #45 on:** November 19, 2020, 01:08:19 AM »

I was member number 4838 and have all the magazines. Was not very happy when it was sold. One good thing that they did was start getting information off the trim tags and decoding it for the members. As a member you could call them and they would decode your trim tag over the phone. My numbers matching 1967 RS L30/M20 was the car that disproved the 4P as an SS car. They told me that it decoded to a SS but it had the original 275 HP 327 Engine. With the P.O.P and order form. Kinda ruined there day. My Brother-in-Law bought it off the lot in March 1967. That is just for all of you guys information.

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Author Topic: International Camaro Club (Read 19083 times)