Author Topic: Black out tail pan BB 67 IPC (Read 14962 times)

ccargo · « **on:** February 07, 2016, 06:04:37 PM »

Hello,

I'm getting ready to paint my BB O-1 1967 Indy Pace Car and would like some input. The issue I have is that my car is a 396 and not the 350 but has the exact same RPO build as the pace cars sent to the Indy Zone for IMS commitment activities. Its not a commitment car because it doesn't fit the criteria being a 396 and was produced the 1st week of April. The NCRS says the car was delivered to the Indy Zone and it has the vin delivery stamp etc. Basically the TT reads exactly like the actual two pace cars would have if the were not a refit from 4P L78 cars but factory built the way they paced the race. I plan to black out the tail pan and I'm sure I will get into lots of lengthy conversations about the combo of identifiers once I start showing. I just thought I would bounce it off you guys first.

Thank you.

ccargo · « **Reply #1 on:** February 07, 2016, 06:05:24 PM »

ccargo · « **Reply #2 on:** February 07, 2016, 06:07:31 PM »

maroman · « **Reply #3 on:** February 07, 2016, 06:16:02 PM »

Does the car have the correct engine? Pictures?

ccargo · « **Reply #4 on:** February 08, 2016, 02:48:50 AM »

It has a correct 396 engine but not the original engine. When found it had a swap to black interior. Blue behind the black paint on the dash. The body is now in primer and blocked and frame is done.

maroman · « **Reply #5 on:** February 08, 2016, 05:52:43 AM »

Not trying to bust your bubble, but are you sure it is a pace car? White with blue interior does not mean it is.

KurtS · « **Reply #6 on:** February 08, 2016, 06:11:54 AM »

Doug,
It's real.

1968RSZ28 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 08, 2016, 07:04:46 AM »

VIN: 124677N203382

Paul

maroman · « **Reply #8 on:** February 08, 2016, 11:11:54 AM »

Quote from: 1968RSZ28 on February 08, 2016, 07:04:46 AM

VIN: 124677N203382

Paul

Quote from: KurtS on February 08, 2016, 06:11:54 AM

Doug,
It's real.

Cool! Now I'm impressed.

firstgenaddict · « **Reply #9 on:** February 09, 2016, 05:35:12 PM »

O-1 is special paint - white top.

Are you under the assumption that the tail pan should be black?
If so what gives you that idea?
If not why would you paint the car in an incorrect configuration?

If showing it in stock classes you are going to encounter all types of push back and needless point deductions.

ccargo · « **Reply #10 on:** February 10, 2016, 01:33:06 AM »

Yeah I'm not being very clear with my question, sorry. Most 67 396 cars with the exception of some dark colors have a black out tail pan cove. This is an 04A, O-1 (special paint) 396 pace car ordered by the Indy Zone for what purpose I don't know. Most recall that the two real 03C, O-1, (special paint) 396 pace cars have body color tail pans (white). However, show paint and tail pan cove to be painted body color (white) is part of the 98168 up fit performed in the first week or so of April and not when they were painted at the factory in 03C. So my question is my O-1 396 built in April and is special paint, could it be white? It seems they kind of had a theme going with the all white thing for the speedway IPC's and I can see how having 50+ all white and then a couple with black tails...IDK?

I have no idea how many Indy Zone 396 pace cars are out there to compare to as I've not seen another and don't have access to any of the accumulated data bases out there. In Hooper and Crispino's Indy Pace Car Book on page 60 is this "The only unsolved mystery... was the rear panel of the big block cars flat black or white? Those built in April delete the black panel" I doubt I will ever really know because it's such a small sampling and that's why I'm going to play the safe bet and paint it black. I do know that C-1 396 IPC's have black tail pan coves.

ccargo · « **Reply #11 on:** February 10, 2016, 01:43:20 AM »

And for you folks out there digging up your old Hooper and Crispino Indy Pace Car Book, take a look at page 35 and you will see a TT with exactly the same RPO's as mine. Also 04A and they are showing the body number as 193251 but its surely a typo and 103251 instead 2 body numbers off mine. It's still out there somewhere in someones garage

His67PC · « **Reply #12 on:** February 10, 2016, 01:51:17 AM »

Check this website. I don't think you want a black tail!

http://www.camaropacecars.com/67index.htm

ccargo · « **Reply #13 on:** February 10, 2016, 02:01:56 AM »

Hi His67PC,

Your comment pushes the point I'm trying qualify here. Most pace car enthusiasts would expect an 0-1 IPC to be all white

Everybody else really could care less lol. Enjoy your IPC!

maroman · « **Reply #14 on:** February 10, 2016, 04:04:34 AM »

Ccargo, to ask the obvious question did you take out a tail light or scrape paint off to see what 's underneath. I do hope you get this figured out, this is the fun part of restoration.

ccargo · « **Reply #15 on:** February 10, 2016, 01:53:54 PM »

Yeah I started this project maybe 8 years ago and it was lets say more of an opportunity then other projects I had done in the past. I agree 100% about the fun part and I stepped back from the car thing 5 years ago being burned out and not having much fun. I'm looking forward to getting back to it again with the right attitude.

Prior to me getting the car it had new GM quarters installed over a nasty brazed in Frankenstein mess of patched in sections from the rear seat support back to and including the tail pan. I basically tore it out and redid it and that's where I am now. The floor pans doors and fenders were pretty nice so my guess is it was rear ended and repaired poorly. So the tail panel had no sign of previous paint and likely not original to the car. The car seems to have always stayed in Indiana and the previous owner did not know it was a pace car.

KurtS · « **Reply #16 on:** February 11, 2016, 07:59:39 PM »

Wasn't there a pic of a IPC in the parade with a black tailpanel?

maroman · « **Reply #17 on:** February 11, 2016, 08:01:28 PM »

Ccargo, I know someone that knows someone that has a BB '67 pacer. It's a 325hp, and I never knew they were built. My buddy has seen the car and THINKS it has a black tail panel. He will check into it, I'll report back later.

67ModTop · « **Reply #18 on:** February 12, 2016, 06:05:07 AM »

Big Block Pace Cars had Blacked out rear ends.... Track 1 and Track 2 did not....... Pat, Why in the world do you feel your Pace Car isn't a Commitment Car??

All Cars that were delivered to the Zone ( With the Embossed date ) were known as Commitment Cars....

Your car can ONLY have come out of one of two different groups we know the Big Blocks were in.

1. Display Group: We know ( By proof of Vintage Pics ) that there were at least 2 Flag bearing, Blacked Out Rear End Cars ( #123 and # 124 I believe ) and one, possibly White Rear, Big Block that was on Display at the Murat Temple Lobby where the Victory Banquet was held year in year out. For sure one of the Black Tail Big Blocks was on Display at the old Indy Museum and the other one pretty much made the rounds for Chevrolet at many different Indianapolis Metro Areas where A Pace Car was to be displayed.

2. The 2nd Group: We have the Assignment Letter that shows Car # 107 and if memory serves me right # 109 were Big Block Cars set aside for members of the press. Oddly enough, these two guys I looked up there reviews and they gave the New Camaro somewhat poor reviews. The number one complaint (outside of storage space) by these guys was that the Cars they had been given to test were 6 pops. Therefore, both reviews mentioned cars they tested were "Under Powered" ......Leave it to Chevrolet not to make the same mistake twice with these two guys....

So, knowing The Brass Hat Commitment numbered Cars had at least 2 Big Blocks available to them (maybe more) it is likely that there might be at least one more car (maybe more) just like yours that hasn't been found yet.... If a car does ever show up like yours, your car might have been one of the 2 Big Blocks mentioned on the Assignment letter.
T.

ccargo · « **Reply #19 on:** February 12, 2016, 03:23:08 PM »

Okay, I went through some of the old photos I had stored on my ancient computer and found a photo of a black tailed big block pace car with flags no less! I will really throw people for a loop if I put flipping flags on it too

Tony, I guess I'm confused as to what is what for cars with embossed date (zone) and the specific speedway build. It seems to be a very purpose driven action on Chevrolet's part to have them all looking the same so it crossed my mind that if they requested the 03C BB pace cars to be repainted all white that a subsequent 04A BB O-1 with the same speedway build might have a white tail pan cove. Smart money says, black, and that's the way I'm going to go with it. Thank you everyone, it was fun tossing this around.

firstgenaddict · « **Reply #20 on:** February 12, 2016, 04:37:16 PM »

What about the trunk latch support? Did you check it or black over white at the top?

maroman · « **Reply #21 on:** February 12, 2016, 10:52:53 PM »

Killer information. Now, I have a question or two. My buddy knows the car I spoke of being a 325 hp, owner has had it for decades. I THOUGHT I had read only 375hp BB's were built. How many BB's were 325's? I have an official post card I bought in the '70's with a '67 pacer. I wonder which book it's acting as a book mark in?

67ModTop · « **Reply #22 on:** February 13, 2016, 04:50:14 AM »

There has been so much wrong information written on these Cars it's sad.... Yes.... The original 3 Pace Cars were built originally as 375 hp cars....

These cars were changed to basically 350hp motors by the engineers at the proving grounds. 2 of those cars #90 and #92 were delivered to the Speedway, the 3rd one was the car that the engineers used as the TEST MULE when coming up with the different mods necessary for the Pace Car duties. No one knows what happened to that car.

Chevrolet made a replacement car that was originally made to be given to the winner of the race. The evidence suggests that car was the same car on Display at the Murat Temple.

ccargo · « **Reply #23 on:** February 13, 2016, 06:04:31 AM »

Quote from: firstgenaddict on February 12, 2016, 04:37:16 PM

What about the trunk latch support? Did you check it or black over white at the top?

No I didn't think of that, good answer, I will give it a try. Its unlikely with all the work that's been done in that area but worth a try. Thanks, I will let you know. When Charlie owned #92 he was kind of enough to let us look it over in detail and I did try and find evidence of black over-spray but didn't see any. He drew the line at knocking out a tail light bezel or letting us scratch a little spot with my car keys.

Kurt I have a Q: how did they know at the paint area to do the black out on the early 4P L78 cars?

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Author Topic: Black out tail pan BB 67 IPC (Read 14962 times)