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Re: 69 camaro 396/375 numbers
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2016, 05:31:05 PM »
Is it possible the block was decked and the numbers restamped? I'm sort of in that boat: decked block, lost numbers. Even if I could "find" them I'm really hesitant to restamp because it would look like a forgery.

The 'stamped numbers' only have importance in two situations today.  1)  Original Class Judging  and 2) If you Sell your car.  If you KNOW what the engine is/was and you don't plan to show/sell it, then leave it as is.   If you restamp it for judging purposes then let the 'judges' decide what they will .. :) .. and if you restamp it and sell it, then just admit to the buyer (potential buyer) what you did... and no harm done!

The 'problem' comes into play when people/crooks/cheats/liars/etc    Restamp a block for resale purposes and then claim that it's original.  Obviously they can't fool all of us, but they do fool some people ... and that is Fraud.
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Re: 69 camaro 396/375 numbers
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2016, 07:00:28 PM »
Don't know about all this other BS being talked about I was just looking for thought on these numbers. My customer bought this car which is real nice and the motor has some issues so he asked me to check it out and check the numbers out. I don't really see any of the original broach marks either?

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YES  our records show it was  sq decked   after repair of a water leak  fixed may 17 1999 ,  we have record of all blocks being resurfaced from 1974  to current machine shop records, jd

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Re: 69 camaro 396/375 numbers
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2016, 08:48:06 PM »
MR GMPARTS, is your name Greg Long?
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Re: 69 camaro 396/375 numbers
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2016, 08:51:30 PM »
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YES  our records show it was  sq decked   after repair of a water leak  fixed may 17 1999 ,  we have record of all blocks being resurfaced from 1974  to current machine shop records, jd

Mr GMparts.  I'm curious, how deep do you have to deck a block to totally remove the original factory stampings?   How much do you typically have to remove to 'square' a deck?
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Re: 69 camaro 396/375 numbers
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2016, 10:28:40 PM »
Let's keep it civil people.  :)

Hey can anyone identify this quote, character and movie? 

"Uh... It's not good. It doesn't look good."

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Re: 69 camaro 396/375 numbers
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2016, 10:34:49 PM »
Hey can anyone identify this quote, character and movie? 

"Uh... It's not good. It doesn't look good."

Maverick (Tom Cruise) in Top Gun!

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Re: 69 camaro 396/375 numbers
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2016, 10:37:16 PM »
Hey can anyone identify this quote, character and movie? 

"Uh... It's not good. It doesn't look good."
Maverick (Tom Cruise) in Top Gun!
Paul

And we have a winner!!! 

Sorry if that one was too easy.  :)
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Re: 69 camaro 396/375 numbers
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2016, 04:40:09 AM »
AT LEAST  THE CORRECT  ASSY CODE IS  ON THE PAD , WHAT ARE YOU TO DO WHEN YOU HAVE TO SQ DECK THE BLOCK , NONE OF YOU GUYS HAVE THE ORIGINAL TIRES OR THE ORIGINAL AIR  IN THE  TIRES....   SPEND YOUR TIME HELPING PEOPLE,   HOW MANY BLOCKS HAVE ANY OF YOU PEOPLE NUMBERED>>>>>>>>>>>>

Now that's where you are wrong... at least a few people have original air in the tires when they bought the cars... one with 1000 miles and 12lbs to 15lbs of air in the tires.
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Re: 69 camaro 396/375 numbers
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2016, 03:53:30 AM »
I think I would rather have a blank deck since it was decked & the numbers were machined off....

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Re: 69 camaro 396/375 numbers
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2016, 03:06:45 PM »
For those of you that are new here the Mr Greg Long from Angola Indiana that we assume is MR GM Parts was convicted and sent to jail a few years ago for selling fake GM parts, restamped parts etc. The ads seem to be much more carefully worded now. I think the detective that was instrumental in convicting him was T Crooks at the Angola Police dept.
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/06050701cld.pdf

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Re: 69 camaro 396/375 numbers
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2016, 03:25:19 PM »
For those of you that are new here the Mr Greg Long from Angola Indiana that we assume is MR GM Parts was convicted and sent to jail a few years ago for selling fake GM parts, restamped parts etc. The ads seem to be much more carefully worded now. I think the detective that was instrumental in convicting him was T Crooks at the Angola Police dept.
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/06050701cld.pdf

Yes, his 'story' now is that he obtained his parts via 'trade' and thus he 'believes' he has no responsibility for telling the truth - but he has no problems stating that those parts/stamps are *original*... (he seemingly doesn't understand the concept of 'truth');
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Re: 69 camaro 396/375 numbers
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2016, 03:40:28 PM »
This whole mess nowadays is why I still would rather drive and spend my time frequenting swap meets.  I would rarely consider buying something from ebay that had any substantial value unless they were close enough to drive and meet face to face.

Feel sorry for those that get taken like that with a bunch of knock off parts.  If ebay just disappeared it would be doing everyone a favor.

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Re: 69 camaro 396/375 numbers
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2016, 04:05:14 PM »
This whole mess nowadays is why I still would rather drive and spend my time frequenting swap meets.  I would rarely consider buying something from ebay that had any substantial value unless they were close enough to drive and meet face to face.

Feel sorry for those that get taken like that with a bunch of knock off parts.  If ebay just disappeared it would be doing everyone a favor.

I agree that it is the worst feeling getting taken. I have had it happen at the swap meet, eBay (Greg Long, but got my money back), & craigslist. There is always that chance you take, when purchasing anything, hell,  I went to Olive Garden last week, and my "sirloin steak" tasted like some turkey pork meat concoction, (should have stuck with pasta).
My point is, I think you always have to keep an eye out for fraud, and if you suspect it be on top of it, and if possible help others out to avoid it.
I like eBay and Craigslist, and while it was/is fun to look forward to going to swap meets, it seemed all to common, that the guys who brought stuff to the swap meets to "sell" would over price it, and would then end up having to pack it all up and take it home. Seemed less guys were out there to actually sell their stuff, they would rather talk about how nice and "rare" the stuff they brought was, then part with it. Anymore it seemed like there was more Vendors at the swap meets, then guys bringing quality original parts.

Ebay and Craigslist is not for everyone, as you guys alluded to, you have to be able to read between the lines, and like anything else do your research, and be able to spot the original, from the made to look original. I just like the fact that (for me) eBay is similar to a 24/7 swap meet, and you can still find gems, and below market price items on there, car related or not.

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Re: 69 camaro 396/375 numbers
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2016, 04:54:12 PM »
I buy from ebay occasionally, I just don't bid.  Don't like that whole concept.  I'd rather someone just be upfront, tell me the price and we'll make a deal. I'm just a straight shooter and prefer to deal that way without all the monkey business.  I've Been on the market fishing around at cars, but I pass anything up I have to bid on.  If it has a "buy it now" or a "make offer" then I'm interested.  If I have to bid with some hidden reserve, they can keep it.   I guess I'm just old school, don't fancy computers much, like to deal face to face and touch/feel what I'm paying for.  Then I'm confident in what I'm buying, the seller has his cash in hand and I have my part, everyone is happy.
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Re: 69 camaro 396/375 numbers
« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2016, 05:35:04 PM »
Thanks for your input, I was a little worried that the 19N was deeper than the rest or the partial, also. Anyone else thoughts???

I would agree that the numbers after 19N appear to be stamped at a different time...not sure how this would be done?
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