*original*?? Z28 distributors????

[69Z28-RS]

Wow...  the machined/stamped area on these (this?) distributor sure looks "fresh", eh??? 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/262252397053?item=262252397053&viewitem=&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/262252318859?item=262252318859&viewitem=&vxp=mtr

*another* 'quality?' item from our friend in Angola, IN ?? 

[BillOhio]

you would think they would clean up the rest of it?

[cook_dw]

Wonder why they didnt show it without the cap..  Lack of step in the casting..  hmmmm

[L78 steve]

Here's a real 480.

[z28z11]

Wonder why they didnt show it without the cap..  Lack of step in the casting..  hmmmm

Absolutely. If Delco had done a better job with turning the O.D. on originals, it would be a lot tougher to distinguish attempts like this (except for the differences in at least one of the stamped numbers). Hope no one falls for it.

Regards,
Steve

[69Z28-RS]

you know.. some people advertise falsely without knowing it.. but in this case, the seller KNOWS the following is not true....
"HERE IS A VERY NICE USED 1969 Z/28 CAMARO DIST ORIGINAL  MONEY BACK GUARANTEE , 1111480  DATED  1969 JAN 21  For  302 29O HP.  4 SPEED TRANS "

Because HE modified and restamped that distributor.  WHY isn't he sent to jail?  It is fraud (regardless of the amount of $$ he charges for it)...

I just asked him this question:  "Do you recall how long ago it was that you machined off the original numbers from the body of that distributor and restamped it?  You DO KNOW that it is fraud to misrepresent items for financial gain??"

[69Z28-RS]

I received his response:

"took in on trade 4 years ago do you need one or are you wasting my time "

Well, I'm certainly not going to buy it... that's probably his stock response anytime anyone questions his claims... pretends he didn't know any better?   I wish I knew how to turn him in to ebay authorities... 

Bullitt:  Isn't this your buddy in Angola, IN?? (ZL1buyer is what he calls himself now)...

[ZLP955]

Gary that is forever the problem, proving the intent to deceive deliberately. There will always be an excuse about how the seller came into ownership of the item, 'bought it at a swap meet' seems to be the standard fallback position. Only way I could see someone being found guilty of fraud is if they were either found in possession of restamped items and the matching equipment necessary to perform it, or actually in the process of so doing.

[BULLITT65]

If it is the angola guy he has already been convicted of fraud in the past, fake cross ram stuff. It wasn't that long ago he was peddling repro wood wheels as original. This guy is the reason so many are turned off by eBay or craigslist.

[L78 steve]

The only recourse is to post sellers like this on the forums and the message will get out.

[69Z28-RS]

If it is the angola guy he has already been convicted of fraud in the past, fake cross ram stuff. It wasn't that long ago he was peddling repro wood wheels as original. This guy is the reason so many are turned off by eBay or craigslist.

Ebay used to include questions and answers as a part of the auction, but now they apparently do not do so..  which precludes us from warning others with our questions...   

[cook_dw]

They still do but its the seller that can keep the questions hidden.

[Bryan302]

Here is another one below, but this one, a 9C4, is described as re manufactured!  This seller is leaving the decision upon the buyer, knowing that it is not authentic.

As far as the one that Gary posted, I know is against Ebay's policy.  If several complaints were filed against this seller, telling ebay that this seller is committing fraud and the seller knows he is selling fakes, and that several camaro archive groups have analyzed his fake products, and wanted him banned.  I think ebay would ban him.  If he didn't have a place to sell his junk, maybe he and these other junk pushers would give up.

I think there is a place to complain to ebay on the sellers page.  Possibly located were you would PM the seller.  I'm about to search for how to do this task.

Bryan


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Camaro-Z28-Distributor-1111480-Dated-9-C-4-/172073613231?hash=item281062f7af:g:XBsAAOSwo6lWN3Nc&vxp=mtr

[Bryan302]

I think this would do the trick.  I started looking on the sellers page, under policies at bottom of page, and found this reporting page.


http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/replica-counterfeit.html

Bryan

[Bryan302]

It works!  Load him up!...and all the rest that are selling crap!

Policy overview
click hyperlink "report listings that offer counterfeit items or replicas"

Three select topics will pop up
1. listing practices
2. Fraudulent listing practices
3. you suspect this listing is fraudulent
click continue
put in item number

If ebay gets a bombardment of complaints with this tool, they will have to act!

Bryan

[69Z28-RS]

I just reported both of those 'remachined' distributors as being fraudulent ... we'll see if it works...

[69Z28-RS]

Here is another one below, but this one, a 9C4, is described as re manufactured!  This seller is leaving the decision upon the buyer, knowing that it is not authentic.
...
Bryan

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Camaro-Z28-Distributor-1111480-Dated-9-C-4-/172073613231?hash=item281062f7af:g:XBsAAOSwo6lWN3Nc&vxp=mtr

Yes, he calls it remanufactured and restamped, but he implies that he only restamped the original numbers!! SURE.. yet he also says he 'has other dates available'..  ie. meaning he will stamp another one with whatever date you desire.. UGH..   I sent him an accusatory email as well.... 

[Bryan302]

I think it would take several reports to work, maybe 6 to 8 different people.  Then, maybe the alternator, smog pump, and YH rally fakers would get scared and quit!

[HOT3O2]

You get them banned and then they just open another account under a different name. I've seen it happen before.

[dale_z28]

Are there any other identifiable marking that can help one distinguish a fake from an original? I have my original but the shaft is stuck in the housing (according to the guy doing my engine work) and I've temporarily replaced it with an electronic distributor. In "freshening" my original, what should I do (or avoid doing) to preserve it's authenticity?

[dale_z28]

He's got a DZ block listed too, with pictures of 2 different stampings, so does that mean he's got 2 for sale, or is it an illustration of his restamping skills? he offers other dates saying he needs to 'thin his trade...." I requested a photo of the VIN stamp. We'll see what he sends

[69Z28-RS]

He's got a DZ block listed too, with pictures of 2 different stampings, so does that mean he's got 2 for sale, or is it an illustration of his restamping skills? he offers other dates saying he needs to 'thin his trade...." I requested a photo of the VIN stamp. We'll see what he sends

If you can't see factory broach marks, then it's been restamped... Yea, he says he has to 'thin out his trade ins'..  apparently every restamped/fake/counterfeit part he has ..  was a TRADE IN..  he had nothing to do with it and knows nothing.  Smug bastard eh?

[L78 steve]

Are there any other identifiable marking that can help one distinguish a fake from an original? I have my original but the shaft is stuck in the housing (according to the guy doing my engine work) and I've temporarily replaced it with an electronic distributor. In "freshening" my original, what should I do (or avoid doing) to preserve it's authenticity?

You can freshen a real one but don't do any machining. You can tape off the outer radius and bead blast then spin the housing in a lathe and scotch brite the stamping. Bushings and parts  are avail. if needed from Paragon. Just don't use the repop Vac. Diaphrams.

[dale_z28]

You can freshen a real one but don't do any machining. You can tape off the outer radius and bead blast then spin the housing in a lathe and scotch brite the stamping. Bushings and parts  are avail. if needed from Paragon. Just don't use the repop Vac. Diaphrams.

When I had mine blueprinted, the distributor was converted to full mechanical advance and the vacuum can eliminated. I'll probably leave it that way instead of hacking it up more to restore the vacuum advance. Who knew back in the late '70's that it'd be a collectable? Not me...

[69Z28-RS]

I registered a complaint with ebay on the seller discussed herein.  Today I received a 'survey form' questioning how I was pleased/happy with their Online Help and Contact area...   what follows is my response to them.
"ebay could provide some *positive* means ot eliminating fraudulent sellers; The fact that I registered a complaint against this seller has NO effect that I can tell.  He has many such ads on ebay regularly, all or almost all his items are fraudulently represented as being *original* parts of a certain PN and code, but they are not.   He machines off the original code (from cheap common parts) and stamps them with the rare numbers.   I believe this is the same seller that has been convicted of at least 3 counts of such practices in the past (and sentenced to 3, 3, and 8 yrs jail time for them.  Sellers who do this continue to do it because 1) they can sell inexpensive parts by representing them as 'rare' parts, 2) all buyers do not know how to recognize the differences, and 3) ebay does nothing about it.  If Ebay were to ban this particular 'name' on ebay, they simply choose another re-register and do it again.  Surely ebay could check such things against their real names/IDs .."

[dale_z28]

I once listed a 10-meter (amateur) radio on ebay which could be modified to transmit on CB frequencies (mine had not been modified). Ebay pulled my auction and said that the FCC had reported that particular model of radio to be "problematic". Yet at the same time another seller was listing the exact model of the same radio, and to make matters worse, the digital readout in the featured picture was displaying a CB frequency, indicating the mod that was supposedly the "problem"! I filed a claim and got nowhere.  Ebay, sheesh!