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bcmiller

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Re: Z28 VIN tag for sale
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2016, 08:37:10 PM »
Body number seems OK for that VIN.   
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 coupe - now old school 468 big block
1967 Camaro RS/SS 396 coupe L35/M40 - 4 generation family project
Looking for 68 Camaro with body # NOR 181016

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Re: Z28 VIN tag for sale
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2016, 10:36:55 PM »
Aside from the advertisers' words.. and the hand scribbled notes on the paper (saying Z28.. RS..etc)..  Is there ANY hard evidence on any of the provided GM information that confirms the car was a Z28, OR that it had white stripes (other than the white interior)...  The only thing I noticed was on the 'partial build sheet' was a CZ under the fan clutch (but I don' tknow that was unique for Z28)... - and did that partial build sheet show any confirmation to be from THAT specific car??

That entire ebay ad just screamed SCAM to me....
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Re: Z28 VIN tag for sale
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2016, 08:49:53 AM »
Gary,

The only hard evidence that I see is on the Chassis BC.  There ARE several broadcast codes that reflect Z/28.

Block 155 is a (G) that represents 302 Z/28
Block 159 is a yes for posi axle
Block 161 is an R = Rally Sport
Block 196 is CV = Z/28 fan clutch
Block 198 is FP = Chambered ??
Block 213 is DV = 456 DV deep groove
Block 217 is CG = 668 CG deep groove
Block 269 = ?H = possible UH Z28 radiator
etc., etc.

There is nothing that I see that ties the car to the Chassis sheet except the Hugger Orange and especially the P code in Block 147, which has shown to be Ivory/Blk. 727 standard interior!!!  Luck?, Nah.  Turn his ass in, somebody!

Bryan
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Re: Z28 VIN tag for sale
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2016, 05:56:39 PM »
Thanks Bryan, so based on that, the partial broadcast sheet DOES indicate an orange (with white interior) Z28/RS...  but the only facts on the broadcast sheet which ties it to the car in question is the color and the interior (which matches the Cowl tag codes)... hmmm

Based on that, if I believed that the cowl tag was original and for that car, nothing else was evident that indicated a mismatched or switched car, then I'd tend to believe the claims that the paperwork and tags are for a Z28..

BUT..  his selling this stuff the way he is DOES indicate that he's a crook..  so I'd tend not to believe anything he said...

I HOPE no one buys that stuff and 'builds' another fake 'original Z28 with all the paperwork' (such as the one that was sold via auction a few years ago), but you know that anyone that pays his asking price for the stuff has exactly that intent!     UGH...
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Re: Z28 VIN tag for sale
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2016, 10:14:19 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong.  The way I see it, is that this seller dug this cars grave.  It is dead!  We know the numbers, and now have record of them.  If this car is built, it's dead before it's born again.  124379L505413; LOS125673; 10D, TR 727, 72 72.

If the rally green Z would have been exposed before it was built, would it have brought 100k plus?  Would it have sold at all?

Thoughts? 

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Re: Z28 VIN tag for sale
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2016, 11:10:32 PM »
No sale 1-20-16...

Reserve not met = ? (> $3500.00)

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Seller location: Billings, MT

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Re: Z28 VIN tag for sale
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2016, 02:59:58 AM »
Correct me if I'm wrong.  The way I see it, is that this seller dug this cars grave.  It is dead!  We know the numbers, and now have record of them.  If this car is built, it's dead before it's born again.  124379L505413; LOS125673; 10D, TR 727, 72 72.


That car was *dead* when someone removed the VIN and cowl tag...
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Re: Z28 VIN tag for sale
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2016, 04:57:40 PM »
For discussion, my 10D Los car is 505849 partial VIN  and my trim tag is 132383  so while the VIN's are only 436 apart, the trim tags are 6,710 apart . It just seems odd to me that there is that wide a difference in VIN and trim tag numbers for the same week of 10D.  Just something to think about... maybe Mark or Kurt can help explain those spreads?  :)

For '69 Norwood and Van Nuys were on the same order entry system. Since Norwood built 87% of production there are going to be large gaps between VN body numbers. For every Camaro VN built NOR built 7.

The number on the body tag is the order confirmation number. It is unrelated to the VIN and was not a factor in production scheduling. A group of orders placed by a dealer may not have all been confirmed at the same time in sequence; they could be thousands apart. But they may have been built at the same time to facilitate shipping.

Many orders were cancelled; the highest body number through July '69 is in the 377,xxx range but by then only approximately 201,000 Camaros had been built. The first body number was probably 100001.

To demonstrate I checked our '69 VN db. There are 18 pair of consecutive VINs; the body number gaps are as follows: 3,179 2,055 2,406 24,329 1,872 1,027 355 3,706 369 38,361 55,372 7,468 1,114 11,897 12,589 3,839 8,503 5,508. There are also 3 consecutive VINs; gaps are 12,971 10,999 23,970. Worthy of note: in 10 of the 18 examples the higher body number was built prior to the lower one.

There were several factors involved in scheduling production: color, equipment, dealer status, ship to location, stock/customer/fleet order. Which was first among equals at a point in time is impossible to determine.
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Re: Z28 VIN tag for sale
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2016, 05:26:44 PM »
That is very interesting information, William..  both the large gaps in bdy no for consecutive VINs, and the huge number of 'canceled/unbuilt' bdy nos...
09C 69Z28-RS, 72 B 720 cowl console rosewood tint
69 Corvette, '60 Corvette, '72 Corvette
90 ZR1 red/red #246, 90 ZR1 white/gray #2466
72 El Camino, '55-'56-'57 Nomads, '55-'57 B/A Sedan