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EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« on: December 14, 2015, 12:00:48 AM »
EO Z28 is back at auction - estimate $225,000 to $275,000 :o

https://www.mecum.com/lot-detail/FL0116-229945/0/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28/4-Speed/

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« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2015, 04:31:04 PM »
So is this an early build? I see AD wheels listed.
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« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2015, 04:59:38 PM »
What makes it worth what they are expecting?
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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2015, 05:04:10 PM »
Really?

Who cares if it's for sale again?

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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2015, 08:30:47 PM »
I think it is interesting how often it comes to auction. I wonder if Dana owns it, because I was pretty sure he owned the special paint carolina blue car( they were having trouble getting bids) , and they were trying to get about the same amount for it.
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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2015, 12:06:19 AM »
Really?

Who cares if it's for sale again?



LOL..  When I saw this thread I thought..  Oh no not again..
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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2015, 04:18:39 PM »
I just find it interesting how time seems to change things - a few years ago this car was the subject if extensive debate on the original colour actually being EO, was restored & sold on eBay for $59 k in 2014 & now is on the block for $225k.

I hope any potential buyer knows the history...

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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2015, 04:35:31 PM »
Another interesting thing about the recent authentication of the car is both Jerrys report, and the affidavit of the dealer and original owner. I wonder how you present both those findings without it looking contradictory. Seems like you would have to go with one since there was not an agreement on the color. I think this car will continue to raise eye brows concerning the paint, and price for years to come.
 I don't see this car settling in to anyones collection...
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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2015, 05:12:13 PM »
I'm with you on your summary BULLITT :)
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« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2015, 06:53:44 PM »
I just find it interesting how time seems to change things - a few years ago this car was the subject if extensive debate on the original colour actually being EO, was restored & sold on eBay for $59 k in 2014 & now is on the block for $225k.

I hope any potential buyer knows the history...



I think for any potential buyer to know the history, all parties involved would have to be present at the auction.  Including the original owner, the dealer, as well as Jerry and anyone else involved in this car so they can all put their heads together and let the buyer draw a conclusion.  Otherwise I seriously doubt any potential buyer at a big auction is going to know much of anything about the history other than what the auction house discloses.   Most older people buying this stuff, including myself, don't spend a whole hell of a lot of time on the computer searching websites and chit chat about this or that.  Some people just don't have the time for it, among other things.  So even though the car has been talked about on the internet fairly extensively,  I'd be willing to bet there is an extremely small percentage of people that know about it.

Neat car though, don't care what color it is really, but it's a real Z and you don't need a bunch of paperwork to back that up (if it's an X-code car).  However I would be completely shocked if it brought anywhere near the money they hope to get, because there is nothing special about it other than this controversial color.   For that kind of money I could buy a couple of Hemi Cuda's, or 2-3 LS6 Chevelles, or just about anything big block and rare with low production numbers in any brand and still have cash in my pocket.  Hell even my SCJ wouldn't bring that kind of money and it's documented through Kevin Marti as one of just a handful.  But that's just me I guess.

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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2015, 10:56:42 PM »
I don't think it will bring that kind of money either; that's just sellers/auctioneers trying to get rich off gullible buyers with more $$ than sense at these large tv collector car auctions.. :)    The controversy over the 'color' was just that, a difference of opinion between 'evaluators' 45 yrs later attempting to judge what color was sprayed at the factory, and the owner who paid for it to be done, and the salesman who wrote up the order for him.  The issue is whether it was actually evening orchid, OR another very similar GM color.  There is no issue as to the fact that it was a special order paint (I don't think.. it certainly isn't in my mind as the original owner told myself and several others many years ago that he had special ordered such a car for his wife - JohnZ was involved in that discussion at Carlisle Vettehead tent, many years before the car was found and restored).. :)

I do think it is a very special car due to the 'special order paint' (and the story behind it) which adds some value to its 'restored real Z28' value, but to me that 'extra value' would not be $150K..  :)   if you HATE the color, it might even be worth less than an equivalently restored red, orange, or silver car... :)
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« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2015, 06:57:18 AM »
124379N546311 btw.
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« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2015, 12:16:20 PM »
So this is a fairly early car Kurt....  Thanks for that.  It was probably listed I just didn't pay attention.

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« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2015, 02:24:00 PM »
So this is a fairly early car Kurt....  Thanks for that.  It was probably listed I just didn't pay attention.

Likely built on or about 21 November 1968... so the AD wheels would be correct.
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« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2015, 02:37:42 PM »
I'm an 11C with N540222. But I couldn't find any EO paint overspray on mine, my dreams of an early retirement are dashed.

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« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2015, 03:16:54 PM »
Save yourself the skepticism, and enjoy the best color produced.... ;)
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« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2015, 03:38:47 PM »
I'm an 11C with N540222. But I couldn't find any EO paint overspray on mine, my dreams of an early retirement are dashed.

You have to look under the door glass weatherstrip attached to the roof..  or get an expert to do that for ya?? :)
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« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2015, 04:20:37 PM »
So this is a fairly early car Kurt....  Thanks for that.  It was probably listed I just didn't pay attention.

Likely built on or about 21 November 1968... so the AD wheels would be correct.

Good info.  Mines a 12D car but has YH wheels on it.  I wonder when that change over occurred?

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« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2015, 04:56:06 PM »
Mid-late Dec is the date range for the change. What are the dates on the wheels?

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« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2015, 07:55:25 PM »
If it's any help William I'll dig them back down and see if I can't clean up that area better to read a date.  Since we are going to daily drive this thing for while, I removed them from the car for safe keeping and tossed the new tires on some FW's to drive on.

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« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2015, 09:41:07 PM »
The current Mecum pictures make the car look more purple than the other pictures i have seen of the car and of other Evening Orchid Impalas I have seen in person. Anyone else notice that?

Previous auction pictures:

https://www.mecum.com/lot-detail/PA0715-224801/0/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28/4-Speed/


I see they also omitted the letter from the original purchaser where he told of how his wife was very disappointed when she saw the car and hated the Evening Orchid color. She wanted more like Plum Crazy purple. I have to agree with the wife. Not the best color for this car.

Imagine the estimated value of a Plum Crazy special order!

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« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2015, 10:58:58 PM »
William,
I checked one wheel.  It appears to be K18 12.  On the other side of the stem it's harder to read but it's either 11 or 17, then the YH code.  I don't know if the others match or not as far as the date goes but they all have a YH stamp, I'll have to investigate that further.  Only have 4, there hasn't been a spare with this car since I've had it.

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« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2015, 11:00:46 PM »
The current Mecum pictures make the car look more purple than the other pictures i have seen of the car and of other Evening Orchid Impalas I have seen in person. Anyone else notice that?

Previous auction pictures:

https://www.mecum.com/lot-detail/PA0715-224801/0/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28/4-Speed/


I see they also omitted the letter from the original purchaser where he told of how his wife was very disappointed when she saw the car and hated the Evening Orchid color. She wanted more like Plum Crazy purple. I have to agree with the wife. Not the best color for this car.

Imagine the estimated value of a Plum Crazy special order!
Would look better with some black stripes to break it up, and would work better with the vinyl top too.

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« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2015, 03:20:02 AM »

Imagine the estimated value of a Plum Crazy special order!

I also thought the applied EO color on the Z28 seemed a little brighter or more intense than I remember..  I suspect that can be attributed to the use of base/clear urethane paints and new formulas compared to the original lacquers.. that seems to happen with a lot of colors nowadays.

Having owned a Plum Crazy (Statutory Grape?) Challenger RT/SE in 1970...  I have to say I'd rather try the EO than the plum crazy.. :)  on the Z28..    As I understand GM's application for 'special paints' back then, the color chosen would have had to come from another GM color.
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« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2015, 04:23:45 AM »
Didn't special colors also have to be from the same year too?
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« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2015, 03:43:51 PM »
Perhaps you're not aware. Several years ago this car produced one of the most contentious debates on record. People were suspended and banned because of insulting personal comments directed at those that saw it prior to restoration. Really got ugly.

Let sleeping dogs lie.

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« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2015, 05:25:25 PM »
William,
I checked one wheel.  It appears to be K18 12.  On the other side of the stem it's harder to read but it's either 11 or 17, then the YH code.  I don't know if the others match or not as far as the date goes but they all have a YH stamp, I'll have to investigate that further.  Only have 4, there hasn't been a spare with this car since I've had it.

One problem with nailing the YH implementation date is there were few Z/28s built late in December. Your wheels have known dates and are likely OE. We now have a level of confidence that 12D Norwood cars did have YH wheels. A bit later at Van Nuys.

Thanks much!
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« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2015, 08:16:05 PM »
So it would appear to me that there weren't many Camaros produced with a 12D tag. Am I correct?
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« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2015, 10:09:44 PM »
Doesn't appear to be the case. Chevy published the last VIN produced for each month, works out to just over 18,000 cars built in December 1968. The plant was closed the 24th & 25th of course but may have worked a couple of Saturdays. Works out to almost exactly 912 cars per day, the known plant capacity. For whatever reason, not many 12D in our db. Even stranger: 12E.

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« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2015, 10:41:08 PM »
Doesn't appear to be the case. Chevy published the last VIN produced for each month, works out to just over 18,000 cars built in December 1968. The plant was closed the 24th & 25th of course but may have worked a couple of Saturdays. Works out to almost exactly 912 cars per day, the known plant capacity. For whatever reason, not many 12D in our db. Even stranger: 12E.

I wasn't aware there aren't many 12D cars in the data base.  If you like William, PM an email to me and I'll send you a pic of the data plate and type the vin with it.  I'm sure it's not in the data base, it's been sitting nearly 30 years dormant.  Shucks when I registered it last week the DMV told me it was purged from the system, haven't had it registered since 87.   Maybe from the tag date and the vin, could you possibly hone in on a day the car would have been produced (roughly)?

Why would there be few Z28's built late in December?

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« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2015, 11:02:44 PM »
Hard to say. The Chevy dealer I knew said HP cars didn't sell well during the winter months. Most dealers didn't want slow inventory sitting around, didn't order any for stock.

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« Reply #31 on: December 21, 2015, 02:44:56 AM »
I don't think it will bring that kind of money either; that's just sellers/auctioneers trying to get rich off gullible buyers with more $$ than sense at these large tv collector car auctions.. :)    The controversy over the 'color' was just that, a difference of opinion between 'evaluators' 45 yrs later attempting to judge what color was sprayed at the factory, and the owner who paid for it to be done, and the salesman who wrote up the order for him.  The issue is whether it was actually evening orchid, OR another very similar GM color.  There is no issue as to the fact that it was a special order paint (I don't think.. it certainly isn't in my mind as the original owner told myself and several others many years ago that he had special ordered such a car for his wife - JohnZ was involved in that discussion at Carlisle Vettehead tent, many years before the car was found and restored).. :)

I do think it is a very special car due to the 'special order paint' (and the story behind it) which adds some value to its 'restored real Z28' value, but to me that 'extra value' would not be $150K..  :)   if you HATE the color, it might even be worth less than an equivalently restored red, orange, or silver car... :)

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« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2015, 06:18:17 AM »
Clem,
You (and only you) got a temporary ban over this topic last time.
It will be longer this time if you stir the pot again.
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« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2015, 01:54:11 PM »
kurt if you post facts here you get banned but if you post your opinion that is OK  ??? I don't think that is fair, do you ???
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« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2015, 02:30:45 PM »
Clem, you have a huge amount of experience and knowledge that could be beneficial on this site. 

But we need to move on. Please don't keep bringing up this topic. It is not productive.

It would be awesome if you could share some information on rebuilding and/or tuning carbs.  Maybe in the restoration section.   
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« Reply #35 on: December 21, 2015, 02:52:24 PM »
Clem, you have a huge amount of experience and knowledge that could be beneficial on this site. 

But we need to move on. Please don't keep bringing up this topic. It is not productive.

It would be awesome if you could share some information on rebuilding and/or tuning carbs.  Maybe in the restoration section.   
I did not bring it up and some posters here like doubting of original owners who show up with paperwork.  I think you should dress them down not the original owners. I would think original owners with paperwork would be welcome here. I guess I was wrong. 
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« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2015, 11:55:59 PM »
Clem,
I'm not going to rehash this with you in any form. Stir anymore on this topic and you are gone. It's that simple.
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« Reply #37 on: December 22, 2015, 12:25:53 AM »
I can see both sides of this topic. I think Garys statement :

"I don't think it will bring that kind of money either; that's just sellers/auctioneers trying to get rich off gullible buyers with more $$ than sense at these large tv collector car auctions.. :)    The controversy over the 'color' was just that, a difference of opinion between 'evaluators' 45 yrs later attempting to judge what color was sprayed at the factory, and the owner who paid for it to be done, and the salesman who wrote up the order for him.  The issue is whether it was actually evening orchid, OR another very similar GM color.  There is no issue as to the fact that it was a special order paint (I don't think.. it certainly isn't in my mind as the original owner told myself and several others many years ago that he had special ordered such a car for his wife - JohnZ was involved in that discussion at Carlisle Vettehead tent, many years before the car was found and restored).. :)

I do think it is a very special car due to the 'special order paint' (and the story behind it) which adds some value to its 'restored real Z28' value, but to me that 'extra value' would not be $150K..  :)   if you HATE the color, it might even be worth less than an equivalently restored red, orange, or silver car... :)"

Stands on it own, and Gary states pretty clearly before the car was discovered, what was known about the car.
It is clearly a special order paint car with docs, and lucky enough to have both the original owner and dealer recollect that it was not the typical stripe delete car and that special paint was selected for the car. It has also been inspected by Jerry M, who is nationally recognized.

I can understand where Clem is coming from, in the sense we are all trying to put the pieces of the puzzle back together as far how these cars were assembled and all the minutia that went along with the process, and in doing so we have to be open to more than just hearsay when there are docs and some pics to back up such a story. The other thing I would add is Clem doesn't even own the car, so to the best of my knowledge he does not financially benefit from this (becoming historic) discussion.

So lets see how the docs both from Jerry, Clem, and the Original Dealer, speak for themselves. The Auction has its own sideshow of unknowns, and "mystery phone bidders" , so since the debate on color has been talked out,  lets just continue to follow the car and let the numbers speak for themselves,
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« Reply #38 on: December 22, 2015, 06:15:37 PM »
Clem, Please keep your posts civil so that your valuable contributions will not be deleted. I understand there is a lot of pride on both sides of the issue. However, the experts who are sticking by their opinions are core members of this site and personal attacks will get deleted. Just sayin!

One of my favorite posts from the beginning of this whole debacle was Jerry Macniesh saying
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Evening Orchid was not available in 1969... End of story.
That of course was just the beginning of the story. Now at Mecum, there will be the car hyped up as a 1 of 1 special paint and an expert written appraisal of the car stating it is just a standard color with a stripe delete, which is certainly not that rare. Should make for interesting TV.

This certainly has been an interesting story on many boards, not just here and Team Camaro, but on several other boards as well. Some brought up an interesting point that there was a light purple color available in 1969. Is it possible that you requested "Evening Orchid" and the paint used was actually called "Sunset Silver", which is what that light purple color was called in 1969?


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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #39 on: December 22, 2015, 07:21:19 PM »
I would have never ordered a car in a "silver" color as mrs clem wanted a purple car but it turned out to be not purple enough for her. orchids are purple in color and I was familiar with EO from other GM cars painted that color. I think people are using that sunset silver argument to cover their behinds
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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #40 on: December 22, 2015, 07:55:11 PM »
Clem, Please keep your posts civil so that your valuable contributions will not be deleted. I understand there is a lot of pride on both sides of the issue. However, the experts who are sticking by their opinions are core members of this site and personal attacks will get deleted. Just sayin!

One of my favorite posts from the beginning of this whole debacle was Jerry Macniesh saying
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Evening Orchid was not available in 1969... End of story.
That of course was just the beginning of the story. Now at Mecum, there will be the car hyped up as a 1 of 1 special paint and an expert written appraisal of the car stating it is just a standard color with a stripe delete, which is certainly not that rare. Should make for interesting TV.

This certainly has been an interesting story on many boards, not just here and Team Camaro, but on several other boards as well. Some brought up an interesting point that there was a light purple color available in 1969. Is it possible that you requested "Evening Orchid" and the paint used was actually called "Sunset Silver", which is what that light purple color was called in 1969?


1969 Buick in Sunset Silver:


that color is still a long way from Cortez silver that was a std color for a 69 Z/28
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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #41 on: December 22, 2015, 09:11:19 PM »
that pic of Sunset silver 69 Buick , looks more similar to EO than Cortez silver to me
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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #42 on: December 22, 2015, 11:00:41 PM »
It probably is Austin, I run across that fairly often painting these cars.  A lot of colors are the same or extremely similar, just the different brand of GM cars give them their own catchy name.
  For example the Frost Green on my Z is identical to the naked eye in all aspects to the same color that Pontiac used in 1969 called Limelight.
  Although I never bothered to research it I could look at paint chips and mix formulas and confirm it.

Another example and I'll use a favorite here, Hugger Orange looks shockingly similar to Pontiac Carousel Red doesn't it?  ;D

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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #43 on: December 23, 2015, 12:06:47 AM »
That's because it is the same.
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« Reply #44 on: December 23, 2015, 12:20:23 AM »
Clem,
You were doing good, right up to when you had to add that last sentence (in reply #39)......
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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #45 on: December 23, 2015, 01:42:48 AM »
I would have never ordered a car in a "silver" color as mrs clem wanted a purple car but it turned out to be not purple enough for her. orchids are purple in color and I was familiar with EO from other GM cars painted that color. I think people are using that sunset silver argument to cover their behinds

I thought it was a valid point.

While this topic has been discussed at nausea, I still think experts make mistakes. They are human just like the rest of us. :)
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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #46 on: December 23, 2015, 02:00:02 AM »
Suggestion. Don't keep stirring the pot.
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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #47 on: December 23, 2015, 02:02:31 AM »
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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #48 on: December 23, 2015, 02:14:00 AM »
SPCA and PETA will be after you, boy - shame on you -

Kidding. Didn't know there was an emoticon for flogging a dead horse -

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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #49 on: December 23, 2015, 02:19:14 AM »
Darrell .....are sure that horse is dead? hahahaha

I think it is in a coma anyway...
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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #50 on: December 23, 2015, 02:31:53 AM »
I just feel like this thread and the others before it have run their course and neither side will agree aside from disagreeing..  Its one car and its he said; he said..  Unless someone here wants to buy the car then this thread and others like it need to be locked down..  My $0.02 and I wont make another post in it..  Steve you crack me up..  .  Austin this horse has been tenderized..
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« Reply #51 on: December 23, 2015, 02:39:43 AM »
Well, while I disagree on locking it, it has been talked out.

I put this topic in the category of special order paint, like the carolina blue car, (not typical, or highly sought after IMO)
and the market for these cars is a bit different, and lends itself to other makes and models of special order cars, like the playboy pink mustangs of the 60's (yuk).
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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #52 on: December 23, 2015, 02:54:13 AM »
WEll..  I'd love to have one of the Playboy bunny cars, in playboy pink, complete with 'playboy bunny'...    Hey, I'd even take an old '60's bunny..  Is Barbi Benton still around?  *L*

I'd also love to have Clem's old Z28 (but I'm not bidding $225K).. :)   If I had it, I'd never repaint it, and I wouldn't care what anyone called it; let everyone 'win' their silly argument... :)    after all, everyone has an opinion... just as they do other things.. :)
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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #53 on: December 23, 2015, 10:13:47 AM »
It would take quite a bit of resto work (cosmetic surgery) to get one of those playboy bunnies worth looking at, Barbi who?
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« Reply #54 on: December 23, 2015, 02:14:33 PM »
WEll..  I'd love to have one of the Playboy bunny cars, in playboy pink, complete with 'playboy bunny'...    Hey, I'd even take an old '60's bunny..  Is Barbi Benton still around?  *L*

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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #55 on: December 23, 2015, 03:04:43 PM »
Here is a PG picture of her with clothes on.
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« Reply #56 on: December 23, 2015, 06:27:06 PM »
That looks like a 1970 or so picture from Hee Haw.

Here she is as of last year.


Stll nice.
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« Reply #57 on: December 23, 2015, 09:09:40 PM »
  Austin this horse has been tenderized..[img]

I just have to add this - worst pun I could think of -

You can tell it's a "Mustang" because the flies are hovering over it -

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« Reply #58 on: December 24, 2015, 12:09:34 AM »
  Austin this horse has been tenderized..[img]

I just have to add this - worst pun I could think of -

You can tell it's a "Mustang" because the flies are hovering over it -

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(creative pun) but.......BOOOOooo :P
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« Reply #59 on: December 24, 2015, 12:22:38 AM »
Was waitin' for your reply on that one. LOL

and...maybe cause I'm half a hundred years old, but Barbi Benton looking alright! (looks like a little girl in the 1st pic, yea I'm getting older!)

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« Reply #60 on: December 24, 2015, 12:36:58 AM »
Feeling naughty: reply #56 need moved to the " Survivor" section!
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« Reply #61 on: December 24, 2015, 12:41:20 AM »
Santa already came this week via Heartbeat City/Fed ex !
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« Reply #62 on: December 24, 2015, 02:08:01 AM »
Good to see I'm not the only old fart who remembers Barbi.. :)
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« Reply #63 on: December 24, 2015, 04:59:23 AM »
 :) :) :) I remember her!
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« Reply #64 on: December 24, 2015, 05:11:49 AM »
I might have a special place on my wall for a Sophia Loren Poster, or maybe of Rachael Welch in One Million years B.C., but other than those 2 beauties any woman born before my mom, is in the - Depends/Metamucil/Super Polident category....and I view as part of the "Cocoon " movie franchise... :P
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« Reply #65 on: December 24, 2015, 06:15:06 AM »
Then that would put you in the Pampers/Gerbers/Johnson's Baby Shampoo category to some of the rest of us.  ;D
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« Reply #66 on: December 24, 2015, 06:53:34 AM »
I get that. ;D

I am probably in the minority here on the CRG, but in the (near?) future I don't mind driving some of you to the old folks homes so you can pick up chicks.... ;D
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« Reply #67 on: December 24, 2015, 11:19:26 AM »
Then that would put you in the Pampers/Gerbers/Johnson's Baby Shampoo category to some of the rest of us.  ;D
   Ouch!!
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« Reply #68 on: December 24, 2015, 02:30:59 PM »
I knew who they all are and I dont think I am far from Austins age. maybe he was sheltered. Surprised my mom let me have that big poster of loni anderson on my wall
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« Reply #69 on: December 24, 2015, 03:17:13 PM »
Not talking Betty Grable, although there may be a few on the site, LOL.
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« Reply #70 on: December 25, 2015, 05:18:18 AM »
I knew who they all are and I dont think I am far from Austins age. maybe he was sheltered. Surprised my mom let me have that big poster of loni anderson on my wall

Did you have the swimsuit pix of Farrah Fawcett on the back of your office door at work too?  :)

..  I plead guilty to that one.  :)
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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #71 on: December 25, 2015, 03:26:25 PM »
Back to the Z28,,, who installed the cowl plenum air cleaner, and the big eared radiator cap,
I don't know much about the story on this car, I been busy detailing my own 69Z , and doing stuff since I retired 2 years ago.

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« Reply #72 on: December 25, 2015, 04:13:39 PM »
If not on here somewhere, I'm pretty sure Team Camaro has  more info on it's build. Color description maybe a good start in "search".

This thread just happened to take the light humored path it needed to go :D
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« Reply #73 on: December 26, 2015, 03:23:49 AM »
Which is as far off topic that you can get cars to girls thanks for the laughs D

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« Reply #74 on: December 26, 2015, 06:54:14 AM »
Back to the Z28,,, who installed the cowl plenum air cleaner, and the big eared radiator cap,
I don't know much about the story on this car, I been busy detailing my own 69Z , and doing stuff since I retired 2 years ago.
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The car was modified almost immediately by its original owner.

I really see no need to discuss this car any further. It's just a special paint Z28.

Search on www.camaros.net about the car. That reading should occupy the better part of a day. If that's not enough, search the www.yenko.net site.

This car has had WAY more attention than it deserves.

Much earlier in this thread it was suggested "Let sleeping dogs lie".



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« Reply #75 on: January 02, 2016, 03:35:37 AM »
Hey Guys, does anyone know anything about the "special" air cleaner on that Camaro???  Very rare I say.  Thanks

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« Reply #76 on: January 23, 2016, 04:52:00 AM »
Sold at auction for $150,000...Anybody else notice that depending on how the light hit it and/or the camera angle it looked like Cortez Silver?  :)
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« Reply #77 on: January 23, 2016, 05:16:29 AM »
Some people's eyes can't detect the subtle purple/lavender/orchid shades..... 
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« Reply #78 on: May 19, 2016, 02:22:17 PM »
Two things .
I never knew that a 1969 Z/28 came with that type of air cleaner.
The sticker on the right fender is that not a sticker that was put on a Canadian Car.If so why was the car sold in the US?

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« Reply #79 on: May 19, 2016, 03:58:30 PM »
Two things .
I never knew that a 1969 Z/28 came with that type of air cleaner.

It was added by the original owner. It's not original and wasn't available from the factory in the 1969 model year.
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« Reply #80 on: May 19, 2016, 09:52:00 PM »
This thing is like herpes.  It comes out for a while then goes back into remission

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« Reply #81 on: May 19, 2016, 10:11:02 PM »
 :-[ Ouch.. :'(

poor car.

Funny that this car is one of the original (20,302) 69 Z/28's, but has garnered more scrutiny and hostility than a cloned 69. ;D

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« Reply #82 on: May 21, 2016, 02:26:33 AM »
:-[ Ouch.. :'(

poor car.

Funny that this car is one of the original (20,302) 69 Z/28's, but has garnered more scrutiny and hostility than a cloned 69. ;D



Nicely said.

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« Reply #83 on: May 21, 2016, 04:11:31 AM »
I daresay there's NO ONE who has ever visited this site (or TC) who would Not LOVE to have that car..  an original Z28, special ordered by a known person - still living, the salesman who ordered it still living and both having signed letters so stating how it was ordered with the special paint.   Lost for awhile.. probably abused by 'kids'..?  :)   and then finally restored to a nice degree by a knowledgable craftsman.

Disregard all the 'crap'.. that's just imperfect people displaying their imperfections; the car is a gem.. and it can park in my garage anytime it wants.. and for all time.. :)

Just one man's opinion...

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« Reply #84 on: May 22, 2016, 04:53:27 AM »
Well I agree, but not for 150k.
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« Reply #85 on: May 22, 2016, 01:32:30 PM »
:-[ Ouch.. :'(

poor car.

Funny that this car is one of the original (20,302) 69 Z/28's, but has garnered more scrutiny and hostility than a cloned 69. ;D



I agree, I've said that many times myself.  Not uncommon among sites to see this though.  It's so common that most sites have invented name for it (shark tank)  Kinda sad.

What's not so common anymore is actually seeing a real Z that doesn't have a fake tag, lol.  Strange when there were so many made to begin with.   That alone has to garner some respect in my eyes so I'm never so quick to judge on restoration mistakes. However from a learning standpoint, if it's done tastefully,  I'm all for it.  We just have to remember that not everyone wants or needs a car like that, and just want something to enjoy.

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« Reply #86 on: May 22, 2016, 09:10:17 PM »
Scrutiny increases in direct proportion to price.
Scrutiny increases exponentially to rarity.
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« Reply #87 on: May 22, 2016, 10:00:02 PM »
Scrutiny = CRG

I am guilty of it. It can be a curse, and a precautions gift.
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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #88 on: May 23, 2016, 12:28:33 AM »
Best wishes to the new owner.

Cars don't deserve sympathy. They are inanimate objects.
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« Reply #89 on: May 23, 2016, 04:14:02 AM »
It may not deserve sympathy in the short view, but for others who see the long view, we may express empathy because we intuit the human care with which it was cars were created or restored. (Maybe more so for a car that is so sought after and cloned)

My 2 cents

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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #90 on: May 24, 2016, 12:45:14 AM »
Sorry, but the scrutiny comes from the current owners greed.   The color does not make it worth $100,000 to $125,000 more than other REAL 1969 Z28's.   They made 20,302, that is not a small rare number.   I bought a 68 Z28 to be different, it is not worth as much, but it is not like all the rest.   We have a 65 GTO Iris Mist convertible, they made 20, 3x2 stick car, documented.   Still do not think it is a 100k car.  Also have a 64 GTO convertible 3x2 stick car also documented, just under 6,600 made.  Still not a 110k car.   So why do these guys think a REAL acknowledged 69 Z28 is worth that much?    That is the biggest problem with this REAL car.   My earlier comment is because this same car keeps popping up at auctions and has received all this internet chat.   The point is that there is a reason it is not bringing big bids or selling

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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #91 on: May 24, 2016, 02:07:04 AM »
The point is that there is a reason it is not bringing big bids or selling

Not bringing big bids or selling? Sold for $150k (plus commission) at the Kissimmee auction. Sounds pretty big to me.
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« Reply #92 on: May 24, 2016, 02:21:44 AM »
We also have to keep in perspective that just because something is low production, that doesn't always equate to more money either.  As much as I love Pontiacs (I have one and my father bought his GTO new) the 64's and 65's haven't really been big money cars.  When it comes to Pontiacs it's the round port motor stuff that are the stronger sellers. 

Popularity also plays a big roll in price, and 69 Camaros usually hover around the top of that list.  I agree however, and I've said this many times myself, with 20,302 69 Z's built, it's not a rare car by any means and it astonishes me the money these things bring.  It has more to do with it's popularity, and the Z28 heritage/history is pretty cool.  The first gen Z's also got something that even GM's prestigious corvettes didn't get so that makes them unique in their own right.
  Nothing wrong with 67-68's either in my book, I'd own one.

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« Reply #93 on: May 24, 2016, 02:30:24 AM »
The point is that there is a reason it is not bringing big bids or selling

Not bringing big bids or selling? Sold for $150k (plus commission) at the Kissimmee auction. Sounds pretty big to me.

I watched a 69 RS Z sell at BJ this past January for $140k before commission.  Nothing special about it other than being an RS.  Cortez Silver in color so color wasn't all that rare.  A very nicely restored car however with lots of documentation.  I took a lot of pictures of the car before it hit the block.  Still amazed me at the money it brought.

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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #94 on: May 24, 2016, 02:40:17 AM »
I'd feel fine in a 69...

Pretty darn great in my 68 :)

Be pure heaven in a 67 !!
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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #95 on: May 25, 2016, 04:45:02 PM »
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Contact me if you have a 68 L78/L89 Camaro to add it to my database.

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« Reply #96 on: May 25, 2016, 06:55:36 PM »
We also have to keep in perspective that just because something is low production, that doesn't always equate to more money either.  As much as I love Pontiacs (I have one and my father bought his GTO new) the 64's and 65's haven't really been big money cars.  When it comes to Pontiacs it's the round port motor stuff that are the stronger sellers. 

Popularity also plays a big roll in price, and 69 Camaros usually hover around the top of that list.  I agree however, and I've said this many times myself, with 20,302 69 Z's built, it's not a rare car by any means and it astonishes me the money these things bring.  It has more to do with it's popularity, and the Z28 heritage/history is pretty cool.  The first gen Z's also got something that even GM's prestigious corvettes didn't get so that makes them unique in their own right.
  Nothing wrong with 67-68's either in my book, I'd own one.

Plus how many real 69 Z cars out of the 20K that they made are still out there?
How many have there born with block? ( I would think less than half)
So not " super rare" type numbers, but when you have a car with high demand and over the years many have rotted/wrecked/been torn apart, the prices will climb. There has been a couple plateaus like 2000, and 2007, but the first gen Camaros, and 69 in particular continues to climb, with the Big block cars and Z cars, and all the special HP cars raising the bar even more.

I am skeptical of any auction results, especially when you consider many of the auction houses bid and participate in many of the auctions. When the hammer slams for a 140-150k price tag on a 69 Z I am left wondering what really took place. I just don't think the market is there yet.

Like most guys on here I follow results eBay and otherwise, and IMO a #1 or unrestored 69 Z car is about 100k. +/- 5k. As I see it unrestored cars BB, Z (pace cars)or special HP cars can go for the same or more as restored #1 cars. Anything less than a SS350 car they are all over the map.

So when you mention that silver RS, or the EO car (realZ at the minimum) going for 140 or 150k, I think that is still an artificial bubble, only seen at auction. While many first gen owners that see the results may smile at the outcome, this is not a step towards a sustainable market IMO.
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-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #97 on: May 25, 2016, 07:03:37 PM »
Nobody knows when the bottom will fall out of the market.  Never buy a car as an investment.  I was told that a long time ago. If your financial advisor tells you cars are a good safe investment, find another advisor. It is OK as part of a diversified portfolio, but never count on it for your well being.

Have cars because you like them and drive them.  Drive them hard.  Trailer queens are fine for some people, but not for me.
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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #98 on: May 25, 2016, 07:40:18 PM »
Nobody knows when the bottom will fall out of the market.  Never buy a car as an investment.  I was told that a long time ago. If your financial advisor tells you cars are a good safe investment, find another advisor. It is OK as part of a diversified portfolio, but never count on it for your well being.
The same could be said about real estate. A lot of guys buy cars as an investment and make mucho dinero off them. I think it's probably more stable than the stock market these days.... With that said, like you, I have cars & motorcycles because I like them, like to drive them & like to drive them hard.
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Re: EO Z28 at Mecum Kissimmee 2016
« Reply #99 on: June 09, 2016, 09:48:52 PM »
To me special paint adds 10 percent price to the price.  That is what it amounted to on the 67 Plum Mist GTO convertible that the Volo Museum boght from us.  They had it appraised at 60k and sold it at their  "no haggle price "   of 55k in 23 days after purchasing it from us at Carlisle  that was  15 years ago