Author Topic: LM-1 original wheels (Read 16198 times)

lemarin · « **on:** October 10, 2015, 05:23:38 PM »

My car is an LM-1 350 V8, built date 09B, Daytona yellow.

I bought the car without the original wheels. For now, I bought a set of Rally wheel replica, 15x7 and they drive great as daily. I'm thinking to find a set of original wheel, to be use for show mostly. I believe the car arrived originally with 14x6 steel wheel, and my car has drum brakes on all 4 corners.

My question is: what should be the original wheels on an LM-1 option car ? Which one we're the most commun ?

1-14x6 Rally wheel (code XN)
2-14x6 steel wheel (code FC) with P-01 full wheel cap
3-Poverty center cap (not sure what's the code for the steel wheel) ??

From picture I can find, it seems that many COPO 69 Camaro arrived with the Poverty center cap. I couldn't find any picture of a Daytona yellow Camaro with Poverty center cap. Was it mostly reserve for COPO ?

What would be the most appropriated wheel/center cap combo for my LM1 Daytona yellow ?

william · « **Reply #1 on:** October 10, 2015, 08:21:21 PM »

There is no way to know which wheel/cover/tire was originally on your car. Standard equipment would have been 14 x 6 wheels painted body color with a standard hub cap. If the car was ordered with any of the 4 optional wheel covers the wheels would have been painted black. It may have been ordered with rally wheels; brakes were not a factor.

The standard hub cap has nothing to do with either COPO. It was just that; the standard wheel treatment for any Camaro. Many COPOs were ordered with either 14 x 7 or 15 x 7 rally wheels.

lemarin · « **Reply #2 on:** October 10, 2015, 08:36:17 PM »

I know I can't find exactly what was originally on my car, but I'd go with the stats and buy the most common setup.

I remember seeing stats about the options/wheels sold, for the whole years. Anyone still have this information ?

I just don't want to put wheels that couldn't be there from the factory back then

vtfb68 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 10, 2015, 08:41:58 PM »

Lemarin,
XN coded 14 x 6 rally wheels are for drum brake cars, XG wheels came with disc brakes. 14 x 7 69's would be nice.
VT

lemarin · « **Reply #4 on:** October 10, 2015, 09:15:50 PM »

Quote from: vtfb68 on October 10, 2015, 08:41:58 PM

Lemarin,
XN coded 14 x 6 rally wheels are for drum brake cars, XG wheels came with disc brakes. 14 x 7 69's would be nice.
VT

I know that, that's exactly what I wrote down: XN=Rally 14x6 wheel for drum, FC=steel wheel 14x6 for drum.

This lead me to another question: does the poverty centre cap fit to an FC code wheel ? If not, which code is required for the poverty centre cap ?

ko-lek-tor · « **Reply #5 on:** October 11, 2015, 01:40:30 AM »

Yes, FC is the wheel you want for the small "Dogdish" cover. It is the right wheel for all hubcaps small and large full covers If you did not select an optional wheel cover (hub cap), you got the standard dogdish cover on a steel wheel, FC in your case.

KevinW · « **Reply #6 on:** October 11, 2015, 11:51:47 AM »

Lemarin, you have the codes correct. for a 4 drum, you need XN or FC wheels. I have a 4 drum car too (Oct 68). It has Sept 69 XNs on there now, but have dated FC wheels to go on. If you look at original dealer photos you see most 69s came with thin whitewalls and hubcaps, the rally wheels were more money, so the dealer stock orders generally did not get them. The poverty caps came on cars that had no wheel option checked (they were the default).

lemarin · « **Reply #7 on:** October 11, 2015, 12:57:31 PM »

Ok, great and thanks for all your posts. I already bought a set of 4 wheell cap, like this one:

2 of those are in perfect shape, so I may have to find 2 more in mint condition.

I'm also looking everywhere for a set of FC coded wheels, with built date before september 68. Hard to find....

And about the tires, I already started another thread many months ago, and most of the people mentions that the closest tires to original, are the Goodyear F70/14 Custom Wide Tread Raised White Lettering No Size. But they dont' have a white sidewall.....

So maybe the Firestone Wide Oval Pin White Stripe - F70-14 would be a better choice ?

Vince · « **Reply #8 on:** October 11, 2015, 08:57:24 PM »

Quote from: lemarin on October 10, 2015, 08:36:17 PM

I know I can't find exactly what was originally on my car, but I'd go with the stats and buy the most common setup.

I remember seeing stats about the options/wheels sold, for the whole years. Anyone still have this information ?

I just don't want to put wheels that couldn't be there from the factory back then

I'm quoting from the Camaro White Book. They list the following optional wheels and/or wheel covers sold in 1969:

N95 Wheel Covers, simulated wire------2,118
N96 Wheel Covers, mag style------------2,886
PA2 Wheel Covers, mag spoke style-----1,362
P01 Wheel Covers, bright metal----------106,386
P06 Wheel Trim Rings, use with standard hubcaps-2,401
ZJ7 Wheels, rally----------------------------48,735

Hope this helps.

lemarin · « **Reply #9 on:** October 12, 2015, 12:18:15 AM »

So from my understanding, the P01 and Rally wheel we're by far the most popular choices, poverty cap was not so popular....only 2401 sold.

Bigjon427 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 12, 2015, 12:55:08 AM »

Lemarin, I have a set of FC wheels dated May 68 if that is close enough.

KurtS · « **Reply #11 on:** October 12, 2015, 01:48:10 AM »

http://www.camaros.org/suspen.shtml#Wheels
http://www.camaros.org/options.shtml#wcovers
RPO #'s - http://www.camaros.org/options.shtml#RPOSpreadsheet

lemarin · « **Reply #12 on:** October 12, 2015, 02:17:22 AM »

Quote from: Bigjon427 on October 12, 2015, 12:55:08 AM

Lemarin, I have a set of FC wheels dated May 68 if that is close enough.

PM sent

KevinW · « **Reply #13 on:** October 12, 2015, 11:31:32 AM »

PM my for the hubcaps, have a lot, just need to see if 2 match your others.

Vince · « **Reply #14 on:** October 12, 2015, 05:35:35 PM »

I think another way to look at the optional wheel covers and the stats I posted in my prior post is that if you add up all the wheel covers and the rally wheels, but not count the P06 trim rings, and subtract this figure from the total of 1969 Camaros produced I came up with 81,598 that would have come with just the standard hubcap of which 2,401 of these came with the optional wheel trim ring. This trim ring would have come of course automatically on rally wheels, I think, and not have been an extra cost option.

KevinW · « **Reply #15 on:** October 12, 2015, 06:44:36 PM »

I crunched the numbers with the options PDF too. Taking the options that could be ordered (ZJ7, P01, PA2, N66, N96, N95), but not counting the P06 since they just added the trim ring to the poverty cap, I got 81,304 Camaros that received the Poverty cap (243085 -161781).

The regular P01 hubcap was the most popular option ordered at 106,386 (no wonder most old photos show them)
the "no wheel ordered" poverty cap 81,304
Rallys 48,735 (plus another 20,302 included for Z28s)
N96 mag 2866
N95 wire 2118
PA2 mag 1362
finally the N66 "SS" at 314

lemarin · « **Reply #16 on:** October 13, 2015, 01:44:05 AM »

Ok, thanks for all the good number job done. Honnestly, I find my car has a better look with 15x7 Rally wheel, a more muscular look. But I also like to have the original look, especially for the show, so I'll go for the P01 wheel cover. The poverty caps are easy to find, but I don't like very much the look of coloured wheels....

lemarin · « **Reply #17 on:** October 18, 2015, 12:30:53 PM »

I finally bought a set of FC coded wheels, and brand new P01 full size hubcap (NOS, brand new). Just the tires left to choose....

I'm having an interrogation now, about the type of wheels vs the other equipment chosen from the factory: mine has the front lip, rear spoiler and cowl induction hood: could it be equipped with Regular 14x6 wheels with such other "sport pack equipment" ? I means, every Camaro with P01 I see, do have the regular hood, and doesn't seems to have so many optional goodies....

ko-lek-tor · « **Reply #18 on:** October 18, 2015, 01:00:26 PM »

Quote from: lemarin on October 18, 2015, 12:30:53 PM

I finally bought a set of FC coded wheels, and brand new P01 full size hubcap (NOS, brand new). Just the tires left to choose....

I'm having an interrogation now, about the type of wheels vs the other equipment chosen from the factory: mine has the front lip, rear spoiler and cowl induction hood: could it be equipped with Regular 14x6 wheels with such other "sport pack equipment" ? I means, every Camaro with P01 I see, do have the regular hood, and doesn't seems to have so many optional goodies....

Could NOT have 14x6 with ZL2 hood. Having said that, I own both sets of FC and XT (14x6-14x7 respectfully) and they appear, pretty much the same from the front seen side and most, 99.99%, would not notice, much less know, the difference, nor would they know that the hood (ZL2 aka Cowl Induction to the uninformed) was not available with FC's. The only thing I see most people notice is that, "Hey, that car(mine) would be B****'n if it had that chrome shop vac hose over the radiator hose." Local car shows seem to crave trashy bling over correctness. So, don't sweat it (American for do not worry about minutia, although, I do seem to obsess myself,lol!

lemarin · « **Reply #19 on:** October 18, 2015, 02:52:27 PM »

Ok, so this make me wonder if this ZL2 hood was there from the factory or added later, on my LM-1 engine pack ? If 14x6 could not be together with this hood, what would have been the correct wheel coding, taking in count that I don't have front disc brakes either ? I really taught that this could either be FC or XN, without any doubt !

Probably this ZL2 hood was added somewhere during the restoration process

1968RSZ28 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 18, 2015, 05:51:25 PM »

Quote from: lemarin on October 18, 2015, 02:52:27 PM

Probably this ZL2 hood was added somewhere during the restoration process

Correct, the ZL2 option was not available with the LM1 engine.

Paul

lemarin · « **Reply #21 on:** October 18, 2015, 09:07:57 PM »

Well guys, I'm now looking to sell my ZL2 hood, as my car could not have been equipped with it from the factory. So I'm looking for a very good conditions, flat standard Camaro 69 hood.

BTW, anyone know if the two black stripes that I have on mine, could been there from the factory, on an LM1 69 ? According to the POP and cowl tag decoding I believe that it's possible...

69Z28-RS · « **Reply #22 on:** October 19, 2015, 03:46:27 AM »

My understanding is that only Z28s had the dual accent stripes on hood/deck...

KurtS · « **Reply #23 on:** October 19, 2015, 03:56:39 AM »

Stripes - http://www.camaros.org/exterior.shtml#stripes
Spoilers - http://www.camaros.org/options.shtml#id

1968RSZ28 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 19, 2015, 04:24:52 AM »

Quote from: 69Z28-RS on October 19, 2015, 03:46:27 AM

My understanding is that only Z28s had the dual accent stripes on hood/deck...

And Z10s & Z11s.

Paul

lemarin · « **Reply #25 on:** October 19, 2015, 10:43:59 AM »

But mine has the black vinyl roof, does the black stripes we're together, with this optional roof ?

lemarin · « **Reply #26 on:** October 19, 2015, 11:02:34 AM »

On the cowl tag, the color code is 76 B, 76=Daytona yellow which is correct, but the "B" is for the black vinyl roof, I suppose ? Not for the stripes ? Was there any way to find from the cowl tag or POP the stripe color, if any ?

69Z28-RS · « **Reply #27 on:** October 20, 2015, 03:03:03 AM »

Quote from: 1968RSZ28 on October 19, 2015, 04:24:52 AM

Quote from: 69Z28-RS on October 19, 2015, 03:46:27 AM
My understanding is that only Z28s had the dual accent stripes on hood/deck...

And Z10s & Z11s.

Paul

sorry about missing those..

Thanks for picking up my slack..

KurtS · « **Reply #28 on:** October 21, 2015, 12:57:08 AM »

Gary,
I had you covered with the link to the stripe info.

Stripe color: http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#ExteriorColors:T:1969

69Z28-RS · « **Reply #29 on:** October 21, 2015, 03:42:17 AM »

Yes you did...

I suppose what we all were trying to inform lemarin was.. LM1'S did not get any special performance stripes?

william · « **Reply #30 on:** October 21, 2015, 04:28:13 PM »

Quote from: 69Z28-RS on October 21, 2015, 03:42:17 AM

LM1'S did not get any special performance stripes?

Once again the LM1 was not a performance engine option. It was a low-compression engine with a 4 barrel carb. Came with single exhaust. If the car was ordered with Z21 style trim group or as an RS it would have had the D96 fender pinstripes. D90 or DX1 striping was optional.

lemarin · « **Reply #31 on:** October 21, 2015, 09:03:47 PM »

You could ordered LM-1 with dual exhausts.....mine has two.

william · « **Reply #32 on:** October 22, 2015, 12:06:05 AM »

N10 was available on any 8 cylinder engine that did not have dual exhaust as standard equipment.

lemarin · « **Reply #33 on:** November 21, 2015, 12:13:33 PM »

About the stripes once again, the only one my LM-1 could have been equipped with, from the factory, are the RPO DX1, or most probably RPO D96 on an RS like mine. Right ?

KurtS · « **Reply #34 on:** November 24, 2015, 06:41:52 AM »

No. D90 too.
http://www.camaros.org/exterior.shtml#stripes

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Author Topic: LM-1 original wheels (Read 16198 times)