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Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #45 on: September 19, 2015, 08:37:21 PM »
That's a 1973 counter case, replacement.
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Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #46 on: September 19, 2015, 09:12:42 PM »
I just got a copy of the Window sticker for the curved neck 3.73 L78  conv   EARLY MAY BUILT

The positraction was $56.90, which is the total of $14.75 for V01 and  $42.15 for G80 positraction. There is NO separate line item for the HD cooling.

There is a sep line item for the optional ratio it's not a G84  (every other optional ratio I have copies of is listed as G84)
H05 REAR AXLE 3.73 RATIO

The ECL code for the G80 is different as well, not the same as any other 3.73 ECL (JL8 and standard) I have in my lists.
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Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #47 on: September 20, 2015, 05:31:44 PM »
Does it have a big block crossmember? Post a pic of the area where the bolts go up into the transmission mount if you can.
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Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #48 on: September 20, 2015, 05:43:41 PM »
Car will be for sale at the Oct 18 car show and swap meet in Pamona, CA.

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Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #49 on: September 20, 2015, 07:43:48 PM »
Sharp car. If the price is right, it will sell FAST.
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« Reply #50 on: September 20, 2015, 08:13:21 PM »
It looks like the rear axle could be original.  3.31 was the standard ratio for SS350 cars and 396/350hp cars.  It was the performance ratio for 396/325hp, and economy ratio for 396/375hp cars.  Just looking at the production numbers, the SS350 is the most common. 

The reason I asked about the cross member is that big blocks use a different one than small block cars.  The more big block components that it has (radiator, heater box, cross member, etc.) the better chance we have of figuring out what engine it had originally. Since transmission case is a replacement, that doesn't help.

If the paint is good and just from the general appearance of the pics posted, I would say at least $30K and maybe more.  Car looks good and is desirable.  I don't know what price you were thinking, but you could start at $40K and see what happens if that is close to what you were thinking.  Remember as the seller - you can always negotiate the price down, but not up.

If it could be proven as an L78 car, with docs or other methods, it would be worth more than that.  And if it was the original color, maybe quite a bit more than that.

Good luck.
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Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #51 on: September 20, 2015, 09:45:02 PM »
It could be a HD cooling L34, L35 which fan is on the engine? Temp control 772 clutch fan?

Any BIG BLOCK ordered with HD cooling would have the curved neck rad. The only way to get the curved neck radiator is Big Block with HD cooliing. The only way to get HD cooling without specifically ordering V01 was to order A/C, Performance axle ratio with L78, or a COPO.
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Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #52 on: September 21, 2015, 12:20:38 AM »
I don't think we can go by what fan it has since engine was swapped to an LS6.

Radiator could be from another car. Could be original too. No way to prove it.

Tach and rear axle are clues, if original to the car. Less likely to have been swapped - in my opinion.
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Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #53 on: September 21, 2015, 01:23:44 AM »
Gauge color and tach redline tell me the gauges were probably added.

James,
From http://www.camaros.org/coolingsystems.shtml
>A heavy-duty radiator was available by ordering either of two options. Regular Production Option (RPO) V01 was the heavy-duty radiator option and was available with all engines except the Z28 or big block engines. All vehicles optioned with air conditioning (RPO C60) also received a HD radiator.

That price change was for G80 Positraction: Positraction rear axle - ratios 3.73 or 4.10 w/o Z28 or 396 engine, includes HD radiator (mid-year change). (That was from GM ordering info - but I've seen 2 396 cars with the higher price.)

H05 was 3.73. G84 was 4.10.
http://www.camaros.org/pdf/options.pdf

I've seen several 3.31 and 3.55 L78's with curved neck radiators, btw.
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Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #54 on: September 21, 2015, 01:44:25 AM »
Than fan clutch has CZ stamped on it.

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« Reply #55 on: September 21, 2015, 01:45:54 AM »
Sounds like the right one for L78.

Kurt so you think this could be an L78 originally?
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Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #56 on: September 21, 2015, 03:40:09 AM »
Lots of indicators, but it's hard to be sure without seeing the car, and even then....

Can the OP or Darrell post a bigger pic of the rear axle code?
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« Reply #57 on: September 21, 2015, 04:03:32 AM »
Kurt, just sent you one.
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« Reply #58 on: September 21, 2015, 04:14:57 AM »
Thanks!
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Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #59 on: September 21, 2015, 04:35:47 AM »
The 3.31 3.55 with V01 would have the curved neck, the only way to know if it were or were not original would be to have the invoice or if it were unmolested if the correct fan etc were in place.

I have written down in the margins of my info listing Z28 as the only exception for V01.
Z28 would be included as an exception as the largest radiator available for Small Blocks was a 3 core, standard in the Z28.
Not so with the Big Blocks the 3 core 23" was the largest standard without A/C, not even deep geared L78's initially received the 4 core. There was no reason for failing to offer V01 with Big Blocks when there was an on the shelf radiator ready to go.   
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