Author Topic: Fair Market Value  (Read 20695 times)

RS/SS396???

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 26
    • View Profile
Fair Market Value
« on: September 16, 2015, 07:20:35 PM »
I'm just gonna throw this out to all you Camaro folks....
I would like to know what my cars value is. !969 RS/SS 396 L78 (less the L78) but, now has a 1970 LS6 454 in it's place. It has all the (performance) options in car according to CRG.
M21 close ratio, 12 bolt posi 3.73, 3 row radiator UY,IO,OO, NO A/C, manual steering box, CZ fan clutch, BB heater box, cowl hood, front disc brakes, prop. valves, multi leafs, and NO Rust, No Dents, less than 750 miles on professionally built motor.
???

ko-lek-tor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1465
  • someday I'll get one finished
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2015, 08:13:20 PM »
A lot depends on color.  a H.O. car greatly increases it's value, whereas some colors, like G.R. on a 69, well, those cars are only good for washout/erosion bank filler?! :-X







































Seriously, this is very hard to determine because of the quality of the body/paint  if it was reworked? is it an untouched, original paint? is it a 'frame off'?, is it a 20 footer(or more :o)? Does the paint have noticeable flaws? were repro panels used? GM sheet metal? Is it a conglomeration of the past 30 years of repro parts and added options (some don't care if it is)?
Probably the only other 3 factors, to me, are: 1) Is it structurally sound? 2) is there solid proof the car is as you claim (docs)? 3) Does the car have curb appeal, like the right stance, look 'Killer'?
Without seeing, I will take a stab and say $35-40K
James to strangers, Bentley to friends
1969 SS/RS 396 coupe Hugger Orange X22 712 bought in 79
1969 SS 350 coupe LeMans Blue 713 bought in 79
1969 307 4spd. coupe Daytona Yellow 711 bought in 85

RS/SS396???

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 26
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2015, 08:52:29 PM »
All original except motor and paint. Originally Cortez Silver with Deluxe black interior. power windows too. The previous owner shot it with black lacquer in 1980 and still looks pretty nice. I did find receipts from the dealership for a 396 that he bought in 1980 as well as GM fenders and hood. Previous owner is deceased so don't know why this stuff was replaced? I was in touch with the owner before him and he bought the car  from his neighbor when it had the L78 and when it was silver. He is going to send me a photograph that he's been holding on to all these years.(he regrets ever selling the car) :'( As far as restoration goes, paint job is all that was ever done. Interior looks and smells original and needs new. Although, it's not that bad. Yes, structurally sound and I've gone through tranny and rear end and brakes. Still trying to find Docs of some kind. Right now all I have is previous owners and findings on car itself. Oh, and it looks bitchen standing still

BULLITT65

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3367
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2015, 02:50:50 AM »
Man, I guess I just saved my car from either being painted H.O, or being used by test dummies...
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

BULLITT65

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3367
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2015, 03:20:19 AM »
Well we all love pics, so please post some.. ;D

This will help big time with us giving options on value
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

cook_dw

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2434
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2015, 11:55:20 AM »
Pics.  Seems like this is one of the hardest things for people to figure out...  Maybe someone makes a sticky on how to reduce images or how to post them on a message forum.. 











Darrell Cook

Contact me if you have a 68 L78/L89 Camaro to add it to my database.

TODD

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 95
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2015, 12:22:02 PM »
OK I'll guess 35-40K I'd go more if it had those documents!

X33RS

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 891
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2015, 12:47:48 PM »
Hard to put a price on something without viewing in person.  I see a lot of things a wise potential buyer would question.   I'd probably correct some things first before selling if it were mine, the correct redline tach for the engine claimed would be the first thing that jumped at me.  Maybe a few details under the hood to attract a larger market.
  With non original engine and no papers on a Van Nuys car with no X-code, I probably wouldn't be as generous as to a guess on value as some of these other guys.
  Maybe research the car more?  Have an appraisal done by a qualified knowledgeable Camaro person?

Just some thoughts....

jdv69z

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1058
  • 69 RS Z/28 52E
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2015, 01:06:16 PM »
Any cooling issues? I don't see a fan shroud?
Jimmy V.

HawkX66

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 665
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2015, 01:30:22 PM »
Hard to put a price on something without viewing in person.  I see a lot of things a wise potential buyer would question.   I'd probably correct some things first before selling if it were mine, the correct redline tach for the engine claimed would be the first thing that jumped at me.  Maybe a few details under the hood to attract a larger market.
  With non original engine and no papers on a Van Nuys car with no X-code, I probably wouldn't be as generous as to a guess on value as some of these other guys.
  Maybe research the car more?  Have an appraisal done by a qualified knowledgeable Camaro person?

Just some thoughts....
Well said.

You might want to change out the Nova gauges in your console for Camaro gauges. Beautiful 69, but a little ways from "all original".
« Last Edit: September 17, 2015, 01:58:46 PM by SgtHawkUSMC »
Dave
69 SS396 X66 L34 M21 BS
Z23 711 U17 Hugger Orange
Semper Fi! USMC 93-02

z28z11

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1069
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2015, 01:41:43 PM »
                                   3 row radiator UY,IO,OO, NO A/C

You certain about the originality of the radiator ? Codes are unusual: UY tag is either a COPO curved neck 4 core, or a 396 w/A/C 4 core. IO tank code is a 4 core BB curved neck (which would match the pics above), OO is BB manual trans. Look for the date codes on the radiator - if they are a close match, this could get better. My L78 is a three core manual, pretty sure it's an original to the car. Possible HD rad ordered for this one, but who knows ? Now, if it only had a BE coded rear end stuffed under it -

Regards,
Steve
1968 Z28 M21/U17 BRG/W
1969 Z28 X77/M20/VE3 LeMans/W
1969 L78 X66/N66 Cortez/BVT
1969 Z11 L48/M35/C60/C06

z28z11

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1069
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2015, 01:53:20 PM »
Man, I guess I just saved my car from either being painted H.O, or being used by test dummies...

Somebody said they were proposing using H.O. cars as donors for artificial reefs offshore ?

Before the hate mail erupts, realize that statement is an attempt at a jest -

Regards,
Steve
1968 Z28 M21/U17 BRG/W
1969 Z28 X77/M20/VE3 LeMans/W
1969 L78 X66/N66 Cortez/BVT
1969 Z11 L48/M35/C60/C06

RS/SS396???

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 26
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2015, 02:18:48 PM »
runs normal temp, just that the shroud is split in half at bottom.
Why the heck are nova gauges in my car!
so did they stuff this radiator in car because ???
I'll get under it tonight and look for that BE code :o

BULLITT65

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3367
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2015, 03:14:48 PM »
OK I'll guess 35-40K I'd go more if it had those documents!

I would say 35-40 if you had the docs, with a NOM BB.

In its current condition I would say about 25k-30k, and agree correcting the little things will give it a bump up.
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

X33RS

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 891
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2015, 06:46:36 PM »
Not sure what the explanation would be behind those nova gauges but Dave is right.  There are a lot of things I noticed just from a couple of those pics as would any buyer.  I didn't want to knock the car, it's still a cool piece.

Things you could do that would appeal to a larger market and bring more money.

Get the pieces to make the cowl hood work as it should, even if reproduction, it's better than nothing at all.
  I'd probably grab a correct 375hp intake, they are still relatively easy to find, I see them at swap meets all the time in the $300 range.
  While I'm at it I'd install a correct fuel line setup, master cylinder, deep groove pulleys (couldn't quite tell in pic if they are there), correct alternator brackets etc..  again reproduction here is inexpensive yet it helps with the overall persona of the car.   I'd leave the headers.
  I also noticed the RS headlight washer system is non existent on your wiper motor, repop is available and not that expensive.
   There's more but just little things like this would really bring the car up to another level without too much out of pocket.
Hope that helps.

RS/SS396???

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 26
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2015, 07:00:58 PM »
Deep groove pulleys are on motor, I have the flapper valve and air cleaner in a box with lots of other NOS stuff. Like a new clock, deluxe rear bumper guards, 396 emblems and ss emblems too. All brand new in the original GM packages. All this stuff was included in boxes when I bought the car. I'm pretty sure that the guy before me was going to restore it until he passed away years ago.
I would like to thank all of you for your feedback and suggestions!
Anybody out there want to make me an offer?

cook_dw

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2434
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2015, 07:05:40 PM »
If that is the original tach then the car is not a solid lifter car originally..  Get a pic of the fuel lines coming up the subframe to the fuel pump (if original), Pic of the speedo cable coming out of the firewall, exhaust mounting plate on the drivers side rear wheel well, and also get a pic of the wiring at the coil to please..


Honestly Im not seeing anything that couldnt have been swapped out to make it look like a big block car at this point.  Not saying its not but just saying at this point its too early to tell. 
Darrell Cook

Contact me if you have a 68 L78/L89 Camaro to add it to my database.

1968RSZ28

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6166
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2015, 07:18:49 PM »
Pics.  Seems like this is one of the hardest things for people to figure out...  Maybe someone makes a sticky on how to reduce images or how to post them on a message forum..

Darrell, Kurt already did...  http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=7809.0

:)

Paul

cook_dw

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2434
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2015, 07:25:17 PM »
Dang Paul, it seems like you are my correcter of errors here lately..  Or maybe I type before thinking or searching..  lol
Darrell Cook

Contact me if you have a 68 L78/L89 Camaro to add it to my database.

1968RSZ28

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6166
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2015, 07:44:14 PM »
Everyone needs a hero!  ;)

Paul

BULLITT65

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3367
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2015, 07:46:08 PM »
geez, you 68 guys need a room.... :-*.. :o
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

1968RSZ28

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6166
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2015, 08:31:52 PM »
And you need a '68!  :)

Paul

z28z11

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1069
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2015, 10:50:12 PM »
runs normal temp, just that the shroud is split in half at bottom.
Why the heck are nova gauges in my car!
so did they stuff this radiator in car because ???
I'll get under it tonight and look for that BE code :o

Black faced Nova guages work the same, mount the same, look cool and usually cheaper than the brushed aluminum faced Camaro guages. I wouldn't say "stuff" the radiator in, because these are very hard to find at a reasonable price due to desirability and rarity. Great piece to have as a part of your good looking Camaro, which it is. What's the intake number ? Aftermarket or GM ? 
Now, if you have a BE coded rear under it, you're in business. Check the casting number on that block in the car, and the date code as well - keep us informed if you would. We like mysteries -

Regards,
Steve
1968 Z28 M21/U17 BRG/W
1969 Z28 X77/M20/VE3 LeMans/W
1969 L78 X66/N66 Cortez/BVT
1969 Z11 L48/M35/C60/C06

ko-lek-tor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1465
  • someday I'll get one finished
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2015, 12:58:24 AM »
Man, I guess I just saved my car from either being painted H.O, or being used by test dummies...

Somebody said they were proposing using H.O. cars as donors for artificial reefs offshore ?



Before the hate mail erupts, realize that statement is an attempt at a jest -

Regards,
Steve

Same here. Never ever want to do something to anger or hurt anyone.  If fact, it is this ribbing that shows how close some of us are, here, and it is hopefully taken in the right spirit, that is, in jest. I would like to think a few of us have a brotherly relation, much as a club member, and kind of like the camaraderie that comes  from our friendships.
James to strangers, Bentley to friends
1969 SS/RS 396 coupe Hugger Orange X22 712 bought in 79
1969 SS 350 coupe LeMans Blue 713 bought in 79
1969 307 4spd. coupe Daytona Yellow 711 bought in 85

cook_dw

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2434
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2015, 01:18:02 AM »
geez, you 68 guys need a room.... :-*.. :o

And you need a '68!  :)

Paul


Paul, he isnt man enough to drive an 8..   :o

Same here. Never ever want to do something to anger or hurt anyone.  If fact, it is this ribbing that shows how close some of us are, here, and it is hopefully taken in the right spirit, that is, in jest. I would like to think a few of us have a brotherly relation, much as a club member, and kind of like the camaraderie that comes  from our friendships.


Speaking of needing a room!!!!  lol   ;D




All in good fun..   ;)
Darrell Cook

Contact me if you have a 68 L78/L89 Camaro to add it to my database.

firstgenaddict

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1796
    • View Profile
    • Groome Family Automobiles
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2015, 02:00:32 AM »
                                   3 row radiator UY,IO,OO, NO A/C

You certain about the originality of the radiator ? Codes are unusual: UY tag is either a COPO curved neck 4 core, or a 396 w/A/C 4 core. IO tank code is a 4 core BB curved neck (which would match the pics above), OO is BB manual trans. Look for the date codes on the radiator - if they are a close match, this could get better. My L78 is a three core manual, pretty sure it's an original to the car. Possible HD rad ordered for this one, but who knows ? Now, if it only had a BE coded rear end stuffed under it -

Regards,
Steve

Performance axle ratio (3.73, 4.10) L78's began getting HD cooling (4 core curved neck) at some point in the model year thinking April. for sure by May they were-
If I am not mistaken someone did a report or write up here or maybe Yenko about the performance axle ratio and HD cooling... maybe an extra charge associated with the axle ratio? ?   

I know of 3 more May L78's 3.73 and 4.10 cars with their original curved neck radiators, only in the last 6 months have I verified the cars.

Drop the gas tank... see if the build sheet is there. use a paint brush or womans make up brush to whisk any loose dirt off and if brittle do not attempt to remove with out a plan if it is stained black from grease or undercoating it can be saved. 
James
Collectin' Camaro's since "Only Rednecks drove them"
 
Check out the Black 69 RS/Z28 45k mile Survivor and the Lemans Blue 69 Z 10D frame off...
https://plus.google.com/photos/112392262205377424364/albums?banner=pwa

BULLITT65

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3367
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2015, 05:31:36 AM »
geez, you 68 guys need a room.... :-*.. :o

And you need a '68!  :)

Paul


Paul, he isnt man enough to drive an 8..   :o

Same here. Never ever want to do something to anger or hurt anyone.  If fact, it is this ribbing that shows how close some of us are, here, and it is hopefully taken in the right spirit, that is, in jest. I would like to think a few of us have a brotherly relation, much as a club member, and kind of like the camaraderie that comes  from our friendships.


Speaking of needing a room!!!!  lol   ;D




All in good fun..   ;)

Oh you mid west guys ....
We all have our favorite years and colors now don't we......If it wasn't for the miscues of the 68, the 69 may not have turned out as nice as it did.. ;D
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

bcmiller

  • CRG Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1790
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2015, 05:56:36 AM »
Is the M21 the original one for the car?

Yes, we need to know the axle assembly date and code stamp (on the front part of the passenger side axle tube) plus the casting date on the center section.

5k tach was generally not used with 69 big block cars.

For me it's not possible to give an accurate value until we figure out a few more things.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2015, 10:31:11 AM by bcmiller »
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 - now 468 ci, M21, 12 bolt
Looking for 68 Camaro with body number NOR 181016

cook_dw

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2434
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2015, 12:16:54 PM »
Oh you mid west guys ....

Mid west..??..  Im from the south & proud of it..   






Back to the pics.

















Darrell Cook

Contact me if you have a 68 L78/L89 Camaro to add it to my database.

RS/SS396???

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 26
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2015, 01:01:26 PM »
Looks like I'll be crawling under the car to get the tranny codes and rear end codes for y'all 👍

69 Zee

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 561
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2015, 02:55:43 PM »
Never ever want to do something to anger or hurt anyone.  If fact, it is this ribbing that shows how close some of us are, here, and it is hopefully taken in the right spirit, that is, in jest. I would like to think a few of us have a brotherly relation, much as a club member, and kind of like the camaraderie that comes  from our friendships.
Bentley you are correct !  Being in the Fire service (predominately all men), it's much like being in a frat.  There's the ole saying we have.  "If you don't get messed with (jokingly) then your not well liked"  :)
Darrell

'69 Z/28 03B NOR X77 Dusk Blue, white top, flat hood, all born w/parts and drive train.  Under restoration
'69 Firebird, Veredoro green, blk top, deluxe int, all original, 350 auto

BULLITT65

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3367
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2015, 03:12:30 PM »
Try to post pics of each, if you can. thanks
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

ko-lek-tor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1465
  • someday I'll get one finished
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2015, 07:10:55 PM »
Reply #28 , Darrell's pics he posted for OP, 3rd pic down shows a straight on shot of the heater box from the engine compartment.
What is that screwed on plate above that box?
James to strangers, Bentley to friends
1969 SS/RS 396 coupe Hugger Orange X22 712 bought in 79
1969 SS 350 coupe LeMans Blue 713 bought in 79
1969 307 4spd. coupe Daytona Yellow 711 bought in 85

RS/SS396???

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 26
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2015, 09:32:30 PM »
I was wondering the same thing?

RS/SS396???

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 26
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2015, 12:19:55 AM »
So, I removed the screws from that cover on the firewall above the heater box and nothing! Think it was part of an alarm or something? It was a sealed box not a cover .
Anyway I'm going under to get tranny and rear end info.
Watch for pics!

RS/SS396???

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 26
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2015, 02:18:33 AM »
I would send pics if I could fig out how to make smaller from my ipad😡

1968RSZ28

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6166
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2015, 02:35:21 AM »
I would send pics if I could fig out how to make smaller from my ipad😡

Read this...  http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=7809.0

Paul

BULLITT65

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3367
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2015, 02:41:55 AM »
I would send pics if I could fig out how to make smaller from my ipad😡
I take a screen shot of pics with my macbook pro, and then go to tools to re-size the image down under 200k
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

cook_dw

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2434
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2015, 01:16:08 PM »
I got your email.  Im on my phone and not close to my pc.  Ill post pics later today or tonight.
Darrell Cook

Contact me if you have a 68 L78/L89 Camaro to add it to my database.

RS/SS396???

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 26
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2015, 01:43:02 PM »
I'm gonna try sending pics
Here it goes

BillOhio

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 890
    • View Profile
    • photobucket
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2015, 02:06:03 PM »
Looks like BS 3.31 posi
1969 Z28, Burgandy, numbers matching, 12,900 miles
1967 Plymouth GTX Hemi, 4 speed, dana
1961 Chrysler 300G convertible

bcmiller

  • CRG Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1790
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2015, 05:30:09 PM »
Unlikely that it was an L78 based on the axle code.  Not impossible though. Transmission has a replacement case.
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 - now 468 ci, M21, 12 bolt
Looking for 68 Camaro with body number NOR 181016

RS/SS396???

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 26
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2015, 06:30:37 PM »
But, wasn't this tranny used after May also? As mine was born in July? So, sounds like it's been pieced together over the years. I know that the 3.73s are in the rear now so, someone before me had good intentions?I've had the car for 9 years or so and am now willing to part my ways with it (only because of medical issues). If anyone wishes to make a reasonable offer you can PM me.
Appreciate it
Thanks

bcmiller

  • CRG Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1790
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #43 on: September 19, 2015, 06:33:02 PM »
3925661 case is later. And I don't see a partial VIN. Pic is small. Can you post the stamped letters and numbers?

Still a very nice car. My engine and transmission are not original either.
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 - now 468 ci, M21, 12 bolt
Looking for 68 Camaro with body number NOR 181016

RS/SS396???

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 26
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #44 on: September 19, 2015, 07:05:41 PM »
Looks like CC3
               38366

bcmiller

  • CRG Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1790
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #45 on: September 19, 2015, 08:37:21 PM »
That's a 1973 counter case, replacement.
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 - now 468 ci, M21, 12 bolt
Looking for 68 Camaro with body number NOR 181016

firstgenaddict

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1796
    • View Profile
    • Groome Family Automobiles
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #46 on: September 19, 2015, 09:12:42 PM »
I just got a copy of the Window sticker for the curved neck 3.73 L78  conv   EARLY MAY BUILT

The positraction was $56.90, which is the total of $14.75 for V01 and  $42.15 for G80 positraction. There is NO separate line item for the HD cooling.

There is a sep line item for the optional ratio it's not a G84  (every other optional ratio I have copies of is listed as G84)
H05 REAR AXLE 3.73 RATIO

The ECL code for the G80 is different as well, not the same as any other 3.73 ECL (JL8 and standard) I have in my lists.
James
Collectin' Camaro's since "Only Rednecks drove them"
 
Check out the Black 69 RS/Z28 45k mile Survivor and the Lemans Blue 69 Z 10D frame off...
https://plus.google.com/photos/112392262205377424364/albums?banner=pwa

bcmiller

  • CRG Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1790
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #47 on: September 20, 2015, 05:31:44 PM »
Does it have a big block crossmember? Post a pic of the area where the bolts go up into the transmission mount if you can.
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 - now 468 ci, M21, 12 bolt
Looking for 68 Camaro with body number NOR 181016

RS/SS396???

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 26
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #48 on: September 20, 2015, 05:43:41 PM »
Car will be for sale at the Oct 18 car show and swap meet in Pamona, CA.

bcmiller

  • CRG Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1790
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #49 on: September 20, 2015, 07:43:48 PM »
Sharp car. If the price is right, it will sell FAST.
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 - now 468 ci, M21, 12 bolt
Looking for 68 Camaro with body number NOR 181016

bcmiller

  • CRG Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1790
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #50 on: September 20, 2015, 08:13:21 PM »
It looks like the rear axle could be original.  3.31 was the standard ratio for SS350 cars and 396/350hp cars.  It was the performance ratio for 396/325hp, and economy ratio for 396/375hp cars.  Just looking at the production numbers, the SS350 is the most common. 

The reason I asked about the cross member is that big blocks use a different one than small block cars.  The more big block components that it has (radiator, heater box, cross member, etc.) the better chance we have of figuring out what engine it had originally. Since transmission case is a replacement, that doesn't help.

If the paint is good and just from the general appearance of the pics posted, I would say at least $30K and maybe more.  Car looks good and is desirable.  I don't know what price you were thinking, but you could start at $40K and see what happens if that is close to what you were thinking.  Remember as the seller - you can always negotiate the price down, but not up.

If it could be proven as an L78 car, with docs or other methods, it would be worth more than that.  And if it was the original color, maybe quite a bit more than that.

Good luck.
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 - now 468 ci, M21, 12 bolt
Looking for 68 Camaro with body number NOR 181016

firstgenaddict

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1796
    • View Profile
    • Groome Family Automobiles
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #51 on: September 20, 2015, 09:45:02 PM »
It could be a HD cooling L34, L35 which fan is on the engine? Temp control 772 clutch fan?

Any BIG BLOCK ordered with HD cooling would have the curved neck rad. The only way to get the curved neck radiator is Big Block with HD cooliing. The only way to get HD cooling without specifically ordering V01 was to order A/C, Performance axle ratio with L78, or a COPO.
James
Collectin' Camaro's since "Only Rednecks drove them"
 
Check out the Black 69 RS/Z28 45k mile Survivor and the Lemans Blue 69 Z 10D frame off...
https://plus.google.com/photos/112392262205377424364/albums?banner=pwa

bcmiller

  • CRG Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1790
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #52 on: September 21, 2015, 12:20:38 AM »
I don't think we can go by what fan it has since engine was swapped to an LS6.

Radiator could be from another car. Could be original too. No way to prove it.

Tach and rear axle are clues, if original to the car. Less likely to have been swapped - in my opinion.
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 - now 468 ci, M21, 12 bolt
Looking for 68 Camaro with body number NOR 181016

KurtS

  • CRG Coordinator
  • *****
  • Posts: 4447
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #53 on: September 21, 2015, 01:23:44 AM »
Gauge color and tach redline tell me the gauges were probably added.

James,
From http://www.camaros.org/coolingsystems.shtml
>A heavy-duty radiator was available by ordering either of two options. Regular Production Option (RPO) V01 was the heavy-duty radiator option and was available with all engines except the Z28 or big block engines. All vehicles optioned with air conditioning (RPO C60) also received a HD radiator.

That price change was for G80 Positraction: Positraction rear axle - ratios 3.73 or 4.10 w/o Z28 or 396 engine, includes HD radiator (mid-year change). (That was from GM ordering info - but I've seen 2 396 cars with the higher price.)

H05 was 3.73. G84 was 4.10.
http://www.camaros.org/pdf/options.pdf

I've seen several 3.31 and 3.55 L78's with curved neck radiators, btw.
« Last Edit: September 21, 2015, 04:46:37 AM by KurtS »
Kurt S
CRG

RS/SS396???

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 26
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #54 on: September 21, 2015, 01:44:25 AM »
Than fan clutch has CZ stamped on it.

bcmiller

  • CRG Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1790
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #55 on: September 21, 2015, 01:45:54 AM »
Sounds like the right one for L78.

Kurt so you think this could be an L78 originally?
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 - now 468 ci, M21, 12 bolt
Looking for 68 Camaro with body number NOR 181016

KurtS

  • CRG Coordinator
  • *****
  • Posts: 4447
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #56 on: September 21, 2015, 03:40:09 AM »
Lots of indicators, but it's hard to be sure without seeing the car, and even then....

Can the OP or Darrell post a bigger pic of the rear axle code?
Thanks!
Kurt S
CRG

bcmiller

  • CRG Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1790
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #57 on: September 21, 2015, 04:03:32 AM »
Kurt, just sent you one.
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 - now 468 ci, M21, 12 bolt
Looking for 68 Camaro with body number NOR 181016

KurtS

  • CRG Coordinator
  • *****
  • Posts: 4447
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #58 on: September 21, 2015, 04:14:57 AM »
Thanks!
Kurt S
CRG

firstgenaddict

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1796
    • View Profile
    • Groome Family Automobiles
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #59 on: September 21, 2015, 04:35:47 AM »
The 3.31 3.55 with V01 would have the curved neck, the only way to know if it were or were not original would be to have the invoice or if it were unmolested if the correct fan etc were in place.

I have written down in the margins of my info listing Z28 as the only exception for V01.
Z28 would be included as an exception as the largest radiator available for Small Blocks was a 3 core, standard in the Z28.
Not so with the Big Blocks the 3 core 23" was the largest standard without A/C, not even deep geared L78's initially received the 4 core. There was no reason for failing to offer V01 with Big Blocks when there was an on the shelf radiator ready to go.   
James
Collectin' Camaro's since "Only Rednecks drove them"
 
Check out the Black 69 RS/Z28 45k mile Survivor and the Lemans Blue 69 Z 10D frame off...
https://plus.google.com/photos/112392262205377424364/albums?banner=pwa

KurtS

  • CRG Coordinator
  • *****
  • Posts: 4447
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #60 on: September 21, 2015, 04:49:44 AM »
James,
Yup, no reason, but they didn't offer V01 with a 396. GM docs are clear on this point.
Kurt S
CRG

firstgenaddict

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1796
    • View Profile
    • Groome Family Automobiles
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #61 on: September 21, 2015, 04:58:50 AM »
just sent you an email with all the L78 conv docs...
James
Collectin' Camaro's since "Only Rednecks drove them"
 
Check out the Black 69 RS/Z28 45k mile Survivor and the Lemans Blue 69 Z 10D frame off...
https://plus.google.com/photos/112392262205377424364/albums?banner=pwa

RS/SS396???

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 26
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #62 on: September 21, 2015, 12:52:19 PM »
Are there any other indicators that may have transferred to the 454 from original motor. Such as the CZ fan clutch and the deep groove pulleys? Will the original intake or water pump tell me anything

ko-lek-tor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1465
  • someday I'll get one finished
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #63 on: September 21, 2015, 02:45:58 PM »
Are there any other indicators that may have transferred to the 454 from original motor. Such as the CZ fan clutch and the deep groove pulleys? Will the original intake or water pump tell me anything
How do you know the intake, H2O pump are original to the car? or the CZ clutch fan and pulleys? Do they have swap meets out there where you live? It is a 46 Y.O. car. If the block did not stay with the car, what makes you sure that those mentioned items did?
 Best to advertise car as "believed" to be whatever you claim, than to insist with no evidence.
James to strangers, Bentley to friends
1969 SS/RS 396 coupe Hugger Orange X22 712 bought in 79
1969 SS 350 coupe LeMans Blue 713 bought in 79
1969 307 4spd. coupe Daytona Yellow 711 bought in 85

KurtS

  • CRG Coordinator
  • *****
  • Posts: 4447
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #64 on: September 21, 2015, 03:56:27 PM »
Is the cooling fan stamped?
Distributor, alternator, carb numbers?
Kurt S
CRG

william

  • CRG Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1810
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #65 on: September 21, 2015, 04:46:56 PM »
Chevy continually revised Camaro ordering information, options and prices. The April 1, 1969 listing has this notation:

Axle, Positration Rear G80: Ratios 3.73 or 4.10...also includes HD radiator.....$56.90.

The manner in which it is listed is confusing as it includes 'Special Performance Equipment' and mentions '396 engine' without mentioning L34, L35, L78.

The Canadian Price Schedule is more succinct:

Axle, Positration Rear with 3.73 or 4.10 less C60 (includes V01).

So at some point after April 1 ordering a 396 with 3.73 or 4.10 positration axle (posi required with those ratios) included HD cooling at extra cost. Must have even confused Chevy as some later COPOs list G80 @ $56.90 on documents, some do not list G80 at all.





firstgenaddict

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1796
    • View Profile
    • Groome Family Automobiles
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #66 on: September 21, 2015, 04:55:33 PM »
Chevy continually revised Camaro ordering information, options and prices. The April 1, 1969 listing has this notation:

Axle, Positration Rear G80: Ratios 3.73 or 4.10...also includes HD radiator.....$56.90.

The manner in which it is listed is confusing as it includes 'Special Performance Equipment' and mentions '396 engine' without mentioning L34, L35, L78.

The Canadian Price Schedule is more succinct:

Axle, Positration Rear with 3.73 or 4.10 less C60 (includes V01).

So at some point after April 1 ordering a 396 with 3.73 or 4.10 positration axle (posi required with those ratios) included HD cooling at extra cost. Must have even confused Chevy as some later COPOs list G80 @ $56.90 on documents, some do not list G80 at all.





Exactly what I have seen on original docs. Some COPOs with the 56.90 G80 charge, although the ECL code is different than on the 4.10 non HD units. (EXPECTED)
James
Collectin' Camaro's since "Only Rednecks drove them"
 
Check out the Black 69 RS/Z28 45k mile Survivor and the Lemans Blue 69 Z 10D frame off...
https://plus.google.com/photos/112392262205377424364/albums?banner=pwa

william

  • CRG Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1810
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #67 on: September 21, 2015, 05:25:23 PM »
Several other factors affected the ECL for a 4.10 axle; at this time I have 9.

RS/SS396???

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 26
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #68 on: September 21, 2015, 10:04:47 PM »
maybe its really a six cylinder car and someone cloned it :P

bcmiller

  • CRG Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1790
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #69 on: September 21, 2015, 10:38:04 PM »
Nobody is saying its a clone.

You are in the same boat as a lot of other guys. Non-original engine, non-original transmission and no docs.

Have tried to go through the "clues" to see where they went. Did you look at the cross member?

« Last Edit: September 28, 2015, 09:33:42 PM by bcmiller »
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 - now 468 ci, M21, 12 bolt
Looking for 68 Camaro with body number NOR 181016

RS/SS396???

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 26
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #70 on: September 21, 2015, 11:42:49 PM »
What will I find with the cross member other than it being BB specific?

firstgenaddict

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1796
    • View Profile
    • Groome Family Automobiles
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #71 on: September 22, 2015, 02:10:42 AM »
What will I find with the cross member other than it being BB specific?

The access hole where the bolts go into the trans mount has a corner knocked off... not completely square... yours is correct from the picture you provided.
James
Collectin' Camaro's since "Only Rednecks drove them"
 
Check out the Black 69 RS/Z28 45k mile Survivor and the Lemans Blue 69 Z 10D frame off...
https://plus.google.com/photos/112392262205377424364/albums?banner=pwa

z28z11

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1069
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #72 on: September 22, 2015, 02:13:41 AM »
Is the cooling fan stamped?
Distributor, alternator, carb numbers?

Distributor ? Correct and coded '499 would be a great clue - even though you can't rule out a swap meet find. Buying one outright is pretty cost prohibitive nowadays.

Ever look on top of the tank, just in case ? Under seats, behind rear seat, inside doors, behind (in) the quarter window openings, under front driver's seat springs ? Look under the carpet, under dash, too. Rare to find any broadcast copies (especially in Norwood production), but you never know when you might get lucky -

Regards,
Steve
1968 Z28 M21/U17 BRG/W
1969 Z28 X77/M20/VE3 LeMans/W
1969 L78 X66/N66 Cortez/BVT
1969 Z11 L48/M35/C60/C06

ko-lek-tor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1465
  • someday I'll get one finished
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #73 on: September 22, 2015, 02:16:33 AM »
1)Drop the tank. Last time I will advise this. 2) Go to the widow of the deceased owner and ask if she has any paper work that may be relevant to this car.
James to strangers, Bentley to friends
1969 SS/RS 396 coupe Hugger Orange X22 712 bought in 79
1969 SS 350 coupe LeMans Blue 713 bought in 79
1969 307 4spd. coupe Daytona Yellow 711 bought in 85

bcmiller

  • CRG Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1790
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #74 on: September 22, 2015, 03:39:50 AM »
Somehow I missed the cross member pic posted earlier. Yes looks like the right one for big block.

Check for paperwork in the car and from previous owners family as others advised.
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 - now 468 ci, M21, 12 bolt
Looking for 68 Camaro with body number NOR 181016

X33RS

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 891
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #75 on: September 22, 2015, 12:39:05 PM »
Are there any other indicators that may have transferred to the 454 from original motor. Such as the CZ fan clutch and the deep groove pulleys? Will the original intake or water pump tell me anything

From the first pics you provided, that sure doesn't look like an original intake to me, that looks like an aftermarket Weiand.   That's why I suggested in one of my first posts that finding an original would go a long way in the "appearance" of the car if selling. 

Being a Van Nuys build (no X-codes) You'll have to dig deep to prove this car is what you may believe.  Like the others have said, checking the distributor is a decent indicator, not solid, but decent, since they are pretty expensive now to just buy and stick on a clone.  It is very possible that things like this and the fan blade stick with a car when doing engine swaps, but no guarantee.
   Also it's been mentioned to drop the tank.  Van Nuys was pretty good about sticking build sheets on top of the tank.  Would only take a few minutes to lower it slightly and take a peek.  If you're serious about selling, this is one of the first things I'd do.   That's your best hope on a non x-code Van Nuys car.  I'd also be pulling the interior apart looking for any clues.
  Otherwise, even though it's a neat car, as it sits with nothing much to prove it's an L78 or even an L34-35 for that matter (other than crossmember, radiator, fan blade), it's just another RS Camaro they made 10's of thousands of to most knowledgeable buyers.   You would be relying on a buyer simply looking for an neat looking Camaro that doesn't care about provenance, and that hurts the price.   Which is why I'm pretty harsh and don't put as big of a price tag on it as some of these guys would.  Again though, I'd have to see it in person.
  I don't mean this to sound bad in any way, I'm just being blunt and upfront about it so don't take this the wrong way.  Because once you put that for sale sign in it, these are the kinds of things you'll get hit with and beat up on.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2015, 01:02:31 PM by X33RS »

bcmiller

  • CRG Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1790
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #76 on: September 22, 2015, 02:36:03 PM »
I am really hoping that lowering the gas tank a bit provides us with some answers. 

I have my opinion, which I will keep to myself.  The tach is the only thing that has me scratching my head a bit, but Kurt said that was probably added. 
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 - now 468 ci, M21, 12 bolt
Looking for 68 Camaro with body number NOR 181016

X33RS

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 891
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #77 on: September 22, 2015, 08:04:38 PM »
I agree Miller, the gauges were likely added since it's the wrong tach and Nova console gauges.

bcmiller

  • CRG Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1790
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #78 on: September 22, 2015, 11:21:50 PM »
I agree Miller, the gauges were likely added since it's the wrong tach and Nova console gauges.

Go ahead and call me Bryon if you want.😀
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 - now 468 ci, M21, 12 bolt
Looking for 68 Camaro with body number NOR 181016

X33RS

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 891
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #79 on: September 23, 2015, 03:05:26 AM »
Will do Bryon, thanks.

Larry

RS/SS396???

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 26
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #80 on: September 24, 2015, 12:57:16 AM »
X33rs, I wasn't referring to the 454 intake. I am referring to all the original parts that were on the 396 that I pulled out of the car.
But thanks anyway

Jon Mello

  • CRG Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3923
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #81 on: September 24, 2015, 02:25:10 AM »
In our phone conversation you did indicate to me that you had dropped the tank and found the build sheet, although only part of it was readable. You should post a picture of this so we can help you with your determination. We're on the sixth page, 81 replies and this should have been posted on page 1.
Jon Mello
CRG

BULLITT65

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3367
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #82 on: September 24, 2015, 02:28:01 AM »
X2
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

bcmiller

  • CRG Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1790
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #83 on: September 25, 2015, 02:52:28 PM »
Ok so where are we at on this? Are pics of the build sheet available? You aren't holding back information, right?  8)

Thought I saw a pic in that photobucket account that had paint stripes on a driveshaft. If that driveshaft is from this car - I would appreciate some better pics.  Thanks in advance!

And anyone that has pics of original 67 to 69 Camaro driveshaft stripes can send me pics too. Thanks!
« Last Edit: September 25, 2015, 04:09:35 PM by bcmiller »
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 - now 468 ci, M21, 12 bolt
Looking for 68 Camaro with body number NOR 181016

X33RS

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 891
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #84 on: September 26, 2015, 10:00:34 PM »



Well shucks, my attempt at humor, can't get it to work right, hate these computers, lol.

(Fixed, just needed to used the img command - Kurt)
« Last Edit: September 27, 2015, 03:53:03 AM by KurtS »

bcmiller

  • CRG Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1790
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #85 on: September 27, 2015, 03:07:25 AM »
It worked for me. Just have to click on the link.  :)
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 - now 468 ci, M21, 12 bolt
Looking for 68 Camaro with body number NOR 181016

BULLITT65

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3367
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #86 on: September 27, 2015, 03:24:53 AM »
The link worked , I just didn't get the joke? tumble weed?
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

ko-lek-tor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1465
  • someday I'll get one finished
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #87 on: September 27, 2015, 04:18:18 AM »
The link worked , I just didn't get the joke? tumble weed?
Come on, it represents that the OP has kinda fallen off the face of the earth...as in ghost town, abandoned his post, things have dried up and barren, elgonzo, no longer replying to requests.
James to strangers, Bentley to friends
1969 SS/RS 396 coupe Hugger Orange X22 712 bought in 79
1969 SS 350 coupe LeMans Blue 713 bought in 79
1969 307 4spd. coupe Daytona Yellow 711 bought in 85

BULLITT65

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3367
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #88 on: September 27, 2015, 04:20:10 AM »
Thanks, I assume he is just looking to flip the car and was hoping we could back up his original BB idea
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

X33RS

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 891
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #89 on: September 27, 2015, 12:40:39 PM »
Ha, thanks Kurt, I just can't figure these computers out sometimes  ;)

Yup Ko-lek-tor, my sad attempt at humor.  I tried to find something that was actually rolling in the wind thinking that might convey the idea better, lol.    Sorry.

RS/SS396???

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 26
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #90 on: September 27, 2015, 01:15:40 PM »
I'm back
Didn't fall off the earth to all you mo foes who think your fairy comments are funny. Attending mothers funeral!
Anyway, I've already expressed my appreciation to those who honestly helped with my car. I realize it's just another CAMARO and so thanks .
Goodby

BULLITT65

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3367
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #91 on: September 27, 2015, 03:00:13 PM »
I still don't understand why you never posted a pic of the build sheet? If you are truly trying to find the value that would be the first thing to start with....
(sorry to hear about your mother)
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

X33RS

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 891
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #92 on: September 27, 2015, 03:07:44 PM »
Austin,  I think yours, ours, and others assumptions are probably correct, and that would answer your question.    I'd guess the build sheet likely didn't show what he was hoping to find.

Not all is lost, still a neat car, just not a high dollar car.

69Z28-RS

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4428
  • owner since 4-Apr-1976
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #93 on: September 27, 2015, 03:41:57 PM »
Austin,  I think yours, ours, and others assumptions are probably correct, and that would answer your question.    I'd guess the build sheet likely didn't show what he was hoping to find.

Not all is lost, still a neat car, just not a high dollar car.

... and with a 'neat' owner.. based on his posts...   :(
Gary W / 09C 69Z28-RS, 72 B 720 cowl console rosewood tint
69 Corvette convertible, silver/black 350 hp,
60 Corvette white/red, 72 Corvette coupe, '70 Mach I 
90 ZR1 red/red #246, 90 ZR1 white/gray #2466
72 El Camino, '55-'56-'57 Nomads, '55-'57 B/A Sedan

bcmiller

  • CRG Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1790
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #94 on: September 27, 2015, 08:59:10 PM »
I'm back
Didn't fall off the earth to all you mo foes who think your fairy comments are funny. Attending mothers funeral!
Anyway, I've already expressed my appreciation to those who honestly helped with my car. I realize it's just another CAMARO and so thanks .
Goodby

First off, settle down a bit. We will help but seems like you already had some information and were holding it back.  Even if the complete sheet is not there, there may be clues. :)

Sorry to hear about your mother.
« Last Edit: September 28, 2015, 01:30:57 AM by bcmiller »
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 - now 468 ci, M21, 12 bolt
Looking for 68 Camaro with body number NOR 181016

dutch

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 379
  • Documented Canadian 1968 Z/28
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #95 on: September 28, 2015, 02:02:33 AM »
IMHO - Very unfortunately this site is beginning to somewhat resemble that of the SYC Yenko one - just say'n..

dannystarr

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1221
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #96 on: September 28, 2015, 02:25:14 AM »
Dutch, I am wondering what you mean by that statement?? In what way is the SYC bad, which in turn makes THIS site somewhat of the same?.. Danny

BULLITT65

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3367
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #97 on: September 28, 2015, 05:02:01 AM »
Guess that statement confuses me as well.
SUMMARY:
The OP initially asked us (members) what the car is worth.
The members for the most part tried to help the OP try to figure what was original if anything from certain clues and pieces, and without the aid of a build sheet which the OP seemed to mention to Jon Mello.

After asking for the build sheet, nothing.... and then funeral post, but still no build sheet.

So he asks for help from a bunch of guys who invest some time to try to do so, but the OP holds out vital info and then leaves everyone hanging...

I am not on Yenko often enough to see this type of story continue to re-occur.

OR did I miss your point?
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

BillOhio

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 890
    • View Profile
    • photobucket
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #98 on: September 28, 2015, 11:32:14 AM »
This has become a waste of good forum space
1969 Z28, Burgandy, numbers matching, 12,900 miles
1967 Plymouth GTX Hemi, 4 speed, dana
1961 Chrysler 300G convertible

Charley

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 503
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #99 on: September 28, 2015, 01:08:59 PM »
IMHO - Very unfortunately this site is beginning to somewhat resemble that of the SYC Yenko one - just say'n..

As the owner of Yenko.net I would also be interested in what makes my site such a unfortunate one.....just say'n

L78 steve

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 780
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #100 on: September 28, 2015, 04:47:10 PM »
Both CRG and the SYC are great sites. We are all hungry for information and when someone comes on here with a tease and doesn't follow through we tend to get annoyed.
The OP needs to understand this.
69 Z/28 Dover White. SOLD
67 SS/RS Mt. Green 1W,2LGSR,3SL,4K,5BY,07C. SOLD
70 Nova L78 Blk. Cherry,Sandalwood,M21,02B

bcmiller

  • CRG Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1790
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #101 on: September 28, 2015, 07:06:22 PM »
Everybody take a deep breath. 

No need for any name calling or saying some site it "this" or "that".  Squabbles and differences of opinion are bound to happen, just as they do in real life. It is up to us all to try and have some respect for each other. 

Something may be a bit humorous to one person, but not another.  Thick skin is often required when posting on any site.  But remember, let's all try to get along. 

Bottom line, don't hold back important information if you expect to get honest input and free help.   :)
« Last Edit: September 28, 2015, 09:31:35 PM by bcmiller »
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 - now 468 ci, M21, 12 bolt
Looking for 68 Camaro with body number NOR 181016

RS/SS396???

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 26
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #102 on: September 29, 2015, 12:07:02 AM »
Ok, for the *** who thinks I'm holding something back by not posting the 1"x3" very very partial rotten unreadable frail broadcast sheet.@$#% off!
For the rest of you, thanks so much for helping me look for clues as to what this car might have been originally. I thought I would get some answers on this forum and I did. I really hope I didn't waste anyone's time . Especially YOU ***!
Ha ha ha
Got a cash offer for $40k so, it's gone!
« Last Edit: September 29, 2015, 12:51:32 AM by KurtS »

bcmiller

  • CRG Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1790
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #103 on: September 29, 2015, 12:25:58 AM »
Bye.
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 - now 468 ci, M21, 12 bolt
Looking for 68 Camaro with body number NOR 181016

BULLITT65

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3367
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #104 on: September 29, 2015, 12:33:34 AM »
Again, wish he was more specific. "Jack ass" could be any number of us....
I will gladly take the title, since I have been called much worse and it doesn't offend me  8)
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

abiddle

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 379
  • 1969 Camaro SS 350 - trim 719 52 52
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #105 on: September 29, 2015, 12:40:21 AM »
The one place in the internet world where I surely thought there would be no drama, the CRG discussion forum. LOL, gotta love the internet these days.

KurtS

  • CRG Coordinator
  • *****
  • Posts: 4447
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #106 on: September 29, 2015, 12:47:01 AM »
Got a cash offer for $40k so, it's gone!
Lucky you found a dreamer. It's gone and so are you.
Totally uncalled for. That type of language is not acceptable here.


LOS342305, btw.
« Last Edit: September 29, 2015, 04:30:03 AM by KurtS »
Kurt S
CRG

BULLITT65

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3367
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #107 on: September 29, 2015, 01:08:58 AM »
It would be funny if the new buyer ran across this thread one day.... ;D
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

X33RS

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 891
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #108 on: September 29, 2015, 01:15:57 AM »
LOL

69Z28-RS

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4428
  • owner since 4-Apr-1976
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #109 on: September 29, 2015, 02:40:36 AM »
Automobiles, even first gen Camaros, have little choice in their owners...  :)
and sometimes..  that's too bad...
Gary W / 09C 69Z28-RS, 72 B 720 cowl console rosewood tint
69 Corvette convertible, silver/black 350 hp,
60 Corvette white/red, 72 Corvette coupe, '70 Mach I 
90 ZR1 red/red #246, 90 ZR1 white/gray #2466
72 El Camino, '55-'56-'57 Nomads, '55-'57 B/A Sedan

69 Zee

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 561
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #110 on: September 29, 2015, 02:52:10 AM »
The one place in the internet world where I surely thought there would be no drama, the CRG discussion forum. LOL, gotta love the internet these days.
LOL..abiddle, unfortunately you just tuned in a few weeks ago.  But I assure you there's no drama here.  If you wanna learn or you have some knowledge then you definitely came to the right forum.  It's truly a shame that this individual had a short wick.  The guys or gals here are more than eager to help others as it also may help CRG in return.   

Once in a while there's gonna be someone that's here posting and looking for answers solely for the purpose of flipping.  I didn't comment until now but I had a feeling that was his intention from his first post.  He was a newbie and right out of the gate he was asking for a value.  Not saying that it hasn't happened before.. just odd!  This guy obviously had no clue "ZERO" as to what he even had, or did he, and he was hoping for some help to back up his higher asking price.

none the less...I welcome you also.
Darrell

'69 Z/28 03B NOR X77 Dusk Blue, white top, flat hood, all born w/parts and drive train.  Under restoration
'69 Firebird, Veredoro green, blk top, deluxe int, all original, 350 auto

ko-lek-tor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1465
  • someday I'll get one finished
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #111 on: September 29, 2015, 02:59:32 AM »
Hey, I put a lot of time into this post(and many others did, as well)...where is our commission?
James to strangers, Bentley to friends
1969 SS/RS 396 coupe Hugger Orange X22 712 bought in 79
1969 SS 350 coupe LeMans Blue 713 bought in 79
1969 307 4spd. coupe Daytona Yellow 711 bought in 85

sixt9x33rs

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 940
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #112 on: September 29, 2015, 03:02:55 AM »
The one place in the internet world where I surely thought there would be no drama, the CRG discussion forum. LOL, gotta love the internet these days.
LOL..abiddle, unfortunately you just tuned in a few weeks ago.  But I assure you there's no drama here.  If you wanna learn or you have some knowledge then you definitely came to the right forum.  It's truly a shame that this individual had a short wick.  The guys or gals here are more than eager to help others as it also may help CRG in return.   

Once in a while there's gonna be someone that's here posting and looking for answers solely for the purpose of flipping.  I didn't comment until now but I had a feeling that was his intention from his first post.  He was a newbie and right out of the gate he was asking for a value.  Not saying that it hasn't happened before.. just odd!  This guy obviously had no clue "ZERO" as to what he even had, or did he, and he was hoping for some help to back up his higher asking price.

none the less...I welcome you also.

I agree...my gut told me this guy was a flipper based on his initial questions. Just smelled like a short term owner that really did not care about what he had just wanting to get us to collaborate his dreams of a high price car.
'69 RS Z/28 Olympic Gold, 711
Flat hood no spoiler, black top, endura, 4:10
POP 39,000
69 X77 Z/28 69 711 Original Paint Unrestored
'69 X66 Convertible Cortez Silver 712 black top Endura, auto, bumper guards, am/fm rear speaker 44k miles

BillOhio

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 890
    • View Profile
    • photobucket
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #113 on: September 29, 2015, 11:15:32 AM »
I agree he was looking for a buyer from the start .  Not what this site is for. 
1969 Z28, Burgandy, numbers matching, 12,900 miles
1967 Plymouth GTX Hemi, 4 speed, dana
1961 Chrysler 300G convertible

abiddle

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 379
  • 1969 Camaro SS 350 - trim 719 52 52
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #114 on: September 29, 2015, 01:19:23 PM »
Hey I've been here 10 years, I was just on vacation for awhile.

firstgenaddict

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1796
    • View Profile
    • Groome Family Automobiles
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #115 on: September 29, 2015, 06:52:48 PM »
In our phone conversation you did indicate to me that you had dropped the tank and found the build sheet, although only part of it was readable. You should post a picture of this so we can help you with your determination. We're on the sixth page, 81 replies and this should have been posted on page 1.


Look for a CH in the tune up label box(solid lifter) and UY in the radiator box. (curved neck)
James
Collectin' Camaro's since "Only Rednecks drove them"
 
Check out the Black 69 RS/Z28 45k mile Survivor and the Lemans Blue 69 Z 10D frame off...
https://plus.google.com/photos/112392262205377424364/albums?banner=pwa

1968RSZ28

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6166
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #116 on: September 29, 2015, 09:47:21 PM »
Got a cash offer for $40k so, it's gone!

If you received a cash offer, why is the car still on Craigslist???

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/cto/5231257549.html

Craigslist description...

"4 speed Muncie M21, 12 bolt posi 3.73, curved neck 4 row radiator, power front disc brakes, manual steering box, no a/c, deluxe interior with comfort weave seats, molded door panels, power windows, console, hurst shifter, all gauges work. The interior is original and needs to be done. The original exterior was Cortez Silver until previous owner wheat black.Less the 396/350hp motor (L34) An LS6 454 with less than 700 miles professionally built sits in it's place.
Everyone asks if it is a REAL SS.YES, all SS cars in 69 were 396 BB or a 350 SB. This car has all the factory drivetrain and specifics to its description and verification in hand.
The car will be at the Oct.18 Pamona ,CA. Show and swap meet. $44K
Bring your cash and make me an offer!!!! I will NOT be returning home with this car.
MAKE OFFER MUST SELL WONT TURN DOWN ANY REASONABLE OFFER!
MOTIVATED SELLER!!!"


California license plate number: 683ZTK

Paul

bcmiller

  • CRG Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1790
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #117 on: September 29, 2015, 10:01:16 PM »
Paul, he won't be responding any time soon.

It is interesting that the add says it was an L34 car and "This car has all the factory drivetrain and specifics to its description and verification in hand."

I would like to see that verification.
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 - now 468 ci, M21, 12 bolt
Looking for 68 Camaro with body number NOR 181016

1968RSZ28

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6166
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #118 on: September 29, 2015, 10:12:00 PM »
Paul, he won't be responding any time soon.

I know Bryon; it was a rhetorical question with a little bit of rubbing salt in the wound. ;)

It is interesting that the add says it was an L34 car and "This car has all the factory drivetrain and specifics to its description and verification in hand."

I would like to see that verification.


Me too! :)

Paul

janobyte

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1209
  • Before it was called Day 2 !
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #119 on: September 29, 2015, 10:55:50 PM »
Again, wish he was more specific. "Jack ass" could be any number of us....
I will gladly take the title, since I have been called much worse and it doesn't offend me  8)

I resemble that remark ! LOL, figured trolling for a price to roll it, I too stayed outa of it. It irks me as well when people try to use the site for such. AND, most questions can be answered by  simply reading all the great articles and compiled data basically donated off the home page. thanks!

68 Z/28  born with: 302, drive line, etc..

ko-lek-tor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1465
  • someday I'll get one finished
    • View Profile
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #120 on: September 29, 2015, 11:39:17 PM »
Again, wish he was more specific. "Jack ass" could be any number of us....
I will gladly take the title, since I have been called much worse and it doesn't offend me  8)

I resemble that remark ! LOL, figured trolling for a price to roll it, I too stayed outa of it. It irks me as well when people try to use the site for such. AND, most questions can be answered by  simply reading all the great articles and compiled data basically donated off the home page. thanks!


Learning from the available info is so true. Likewise, I will add, is when someone like the yellow ss owner's(another caveat emptor)notice, fake cars do not get the ss moniker capitalized by me, describe their cars  in ads using from the site's own info, often quoting verbatim, and using that info, contrary to its intended purpose, against the very one's the site strives to protect from such malevolent intent.
James to strangers, Bentley to friends
1969 SS/RS 396 coupe Hugger Orange X22 712 bought in 79
1969 SS 350 coupe LeMans Blue 713 bought in 79
1969 307 4spd. coupe Daytona Yellow 711 bought in 85

firstgenaddict

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1796
    • View Profile
    • Groome Family Automobiles
Re: Fair Market Value
« Reply #121 on: September 30, 2015, 03:05:08 PM »
If he did find a piece of the build sheet which showed the following
CG emissions tune up label (L35-L34)
UY radiator code,(curved neck 4 cored HD),

It would be the first paperwork I know of documenting either a
non A/C L34 with HD cooling (V01) or a
L34 with performance axle ratio which received HD cooling as part of the option.


Just giving the scenarios of the body broadcast, because near the emissions box line is the Radiator. 

I'd like someone to get a nice shot of it even if it is a CG label if there is a UY rad code.   

BTW... If it's not UY on the broadcast.. you want to sell the radiator?
James
Collectin' Camaro's since "Only Rednecks drove them"
 
Check out the Black 69 RS/Z28 45k mile Survivor and the Lemans Blue 69 Z 10D frame off...
https://plus.google.com/photos/112392262205377424364/albums?banner=pwa