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L89 at Local Car Show
« on: June 13, 2015, 11:31:52 PM »
A couple friends and I went to a local church car show today and there was a L89 Camaro there, and its a local car! Picture of the window sticker not very good due to behind glass and sun but the build sheet is amazing. Was told it was up under the dash area. Bergy was there also and maybe he saw it as well. They were expecting 1000 cars at this church show. Amazing!



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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2015, 11:47:31 PM »
I've seen that car many times Chick.  Lots of concerns.  Great show though - actually 1,300 + cars there.  Cool Ammon R. Smith sold, barn find, original paint '65 Corvette.  Your L78 Nova was standing tall!

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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2015, 12:41:47 AM »
Was this in the Mt.Joy,PA. area?
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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2015, 01:22:44 AM »
Was this in the Mt.Joy,PA. area?
Yes, the LCBC, Lancaster County Bible Church.
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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2015, 01:25:43 AM »
I've seen that car many times Chick.  Lots of concerns.  Great show though - actually 1,300 + cars there.  Cool Ammon R. Smith sold, barn find, original paint '65 Corvette.  Your L78 Nova was standing tall!
Thanks Bruce! Went looking for you for the 2nd time just after the free ice cream but you had apparently left. Could not believe the cars already there at 9am when it was to start. Was told the first car arrived at 6:05 that morning! Some serious car members. :)
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69 Z/28 NOR 07A Orig Block & GM Cross-ram/carbs
69 L34 Rest. Nova Father/Son Car
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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2015, 01:26:12 AM »
All the "paperwork" is fake-that's the form for an A body build sheet. Camaros used two forms: a Body Broadcast Copy and a Chassis Broadcast Copy.

The window sticker has so many errors I don't know where to start. L89 was not an engine option it was a cylinder head option that required the L78 engine; both are listed on real paperwork. The ducted hood wasn't in production when this car was built; wrong ECL. 5Z27AB is the ECL for an SS350.

Looks like the tag has been off the car.

Makes me wonder what else is fake.
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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2015, 02:49:27 AM »
Sure looks like they over smashed the right rivet during re-install. Sure never seen a factory one all flat like that. I would be curious to see the BACK of those rivets to see the rosette. I am running on some of the the least amount of knowledge on this site, but I say the cowl tag has been installed by the factory... NOT!! Just another car with a nice paint job worth 40K less than the owner thinks... Danny

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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2015, 02:56:40 AM »
I live near Hershey, was on rt.283 pretty early this AM and saw lots of cars headed that way. I saw this car about 10 years ago at a local show. He tried real hard to convince me it was real. I didn't bite because I didn't really know.
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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2015, 03:30:30 AM »
If a real D80 car then the antenna  is in the wrong place!

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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2015, 10:59:36 AM »
All the "paperwork" is fake-that's the form for an A body build sheet. Camaros used two forms: a Body Broadcast Copy and a Chassis Broadcast Copy.

The window sticker has so many errors I don't know where to start. L89 was not an engine option it was a cylinder head option that required the L78 engine; both are listed on real paperwork. The ducted hood wasn't in production when this car was built; wrong ECL. 5Z27AB is the ECL for an SS350.

Looks like the tag has been off the car.

Makes me wonder what else is fake.

Thanks William! Since it was local and heard the story of the car along with the paperwork I thought it was possibly real but some things concerned me. I know nothing about the build sheets so some good info given. The one thing that struck me was the date for the rear being a Sept built for a Dec car and here I thought if this was real paperwork I could learn from it.
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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2015, 01:32:15 PM »
You'd think someone would have told him about that flashy orange FORD  'caution fan' sticker long ago too.  Right there Id question everything.
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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2015, 06:58:03 PM »
You'd think someone would have told him about that flashy orange FORD  'caution fan' sticker long ago too.  Right there Id question everything.

That sticker is the best, my friend Jack (crg member) loves pointing out that sticker on cars. Like you once he sees that sticker, all bets are off....
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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2015, 10:31:05 PM »
You'd think someone would have told him about that flashy orange FORD  'caution fan' sticker long ago too.  Right there Id question everything.
I asked him about it Jim and he said he knew now its a Ford thing as he'd been told about it many times and said he was going to take it off. Since it's a somewhat local car guess we will see in the future.
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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2015, 10:42:06 PM »
I would have a different guy ask about that sticker every hour.....j/k

It is getting to point where I see more finished cars with that sticker than without it. As time goes on it will be a correct item for any resto....
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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2015, 01:17:47 AM »
12A ?? BS axle code??Makes you go huh. Yea, I got your BS.
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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2015, 02:37:24 AM »
12A with an X code on the trim tag?  :)
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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2015, 04:09:04 AM »
That car was blue 15 years ago. NOM, guy thought it might be a BB car.
Tag has been modified - it didn't used to have an X22.
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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2015, 06:34:17 AM »
VIN: 124379N557763
Fisher body number: NOR172658

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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2015, 12:46:55 PM »
I would have a different guy ask about that sticker every hour.....j/k

It is getting to point where I see more finished cars with that sticker than without it. As time goes on it will be a correct item for any resto....

Very true.  I haven't seen them much on restored GM products but I see them on the Fords all the time.  Not correct on the Fords either but from the info I've gathered, as these cars were new back then and came in for service, most times those stickers were added by techs.  At least that's what I've found from researching Fords. 
   So alot of guys that know they aren't correct on Fords are putting them on during restorations and calling it a "day two" mod.  Though technically not the type of "day two" mods that us gear heads normally associate with that term.
   I don't know if this holds any weight with GM stuff or not, but very common for dealers to put them on the Fords.

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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2015, 01:37:48 PM »
That's because Ford guys need to be told to keep their fingers out of the fan!!
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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2015, 10:40:20 PM »
You know this is a perfect example how someone (me) got so caught up with looking at some stuff and missed the obvious. I was more interested in talking to the gentlemen and hearing the story and the x code on the trim tag and some other things did not come out at the time. Know better!  :-[   
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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2015, 10:54:00 PM »
Chick do't worry, I think we all have been there.
 A while back me and another member were at a car show and spotted a 69 Z, we started making mental notes. When we got back to our cars, we compared what we saw. Long story short - we both picked up enough questionable items about the car we had to go back and look to confirm it had a new trim tag, and along with other hints it was most likely not a real Z.
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« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2015, 11:02:23 PM »
Chick do't worry, I think we all have been there.
 A while back me and another member were at a car show and spotted a 69 Z, we started making mental notes. When we got back to our cars, we compared what we saw. Long story short - we both picked up enough questionable items about the car we had to go back and look to confirm it had a new trim tag, and along with other hints it was most likely not a real Z.

But, if it was H.O. ,Austin, that would trump all those other minor details and make the car OK and good enough!! :P :P :P
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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2015, 11:10:42 PM »
Maybe that is what the current owner is hoping....

takes a bit more than a nice paint to dazzle me.... 8)

I think if I was a fan of the original blue I would be more bummed out about the color switch.
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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2015, 03:38:57 PM »
This car and discussion reminds me of a guy I work with. He once told me you can put any engine or trim you want on these old Camaros, no one can tell the difference.
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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2015, 05:51:58 PM »
The counterfeiters sure can make aged looking doc's, water stains, faded text, rips, you name it. Sure glad the CRG'er keep track. :)
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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2015, 05:57:13 PM »
On something really rare like an L89 or a JL8 car, it's probably best to be skeptical at first.  Rare cars don't just show up every day. 
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« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2015, 07:49:53 PM »
  Rare cars don't just show up every day. 
Rare cars don't just show up every day. 

Kinda prophetic Bryon, I like it. Rare does not show up every day. Almost as if it is rare, I agree.
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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2015, 10:18:22 PM »
The counterfeiters sure can make aged looking doc's, water stains, faded text, rips, you name it. Sure glad the CRG'er keep track. :)

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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2015, 05:45:16 AM »
Yup, concur. :) Sometimes I can provide history, but I'm a researcher at heart...

Clarification:
Tag was HO, car had a color change to blue along the way. Tag was only changed to add X22.
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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #30 on: June 17, 2015, 05:57:40 AM »
Thanks for clarifying on the color, and addition of the X22.
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« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2015, 08:39:39 PM »
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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #32 on: June 18, 2015, 12:46:34 AM »
Is this car still owned by the same guy that posted back in 01?
DennyB.

Hopefully DennyB didn't change the tag, buy fake paperwork and fraudulently sell it to someone else.

He states in post #13 that he "made" it an L89 in this thread in 02: http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=26216

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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #33 on: June 18, 2015, 02:04:21 AM »
Is this car still owned by the same guy that posted back in 01?
DennyB.

Hopefully DennyB didn't change the tag, buy fake paperwork and fraudulently sell it to someone else.

He states in post #13 that he "made" it an L89 in this thread in 02: http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=26216

It would seem so since the owner is a Denny.
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Re: L89 at Local Car Show
« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2015, 02:23:24 AM »
1 of 311 - too good to be true - definitely!

Great thread - the wealth of knowledge is impressive.

Hopefully any potential buyers find this thread....if it goes up for sale.
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« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2015, 03:07:14 AM »
Denny built a nice car.
When it comes time to part ways, hopefully the docs are stated as repros. :)
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